Kimberley Hanh vs. Fr. John Hardon + Cradle Catholics

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Any cradle Catholic I grew up with (myself included) should NOT be trusted. they haven’t a clue about the true meaning of Catholicism. There is ignorance on both sides of the matter so I wouldn’t generalize there.
I get the Wanderer. When was this published. I will like to look that up as it is a very trustworthy source.
 
I would like to see it, too. The Wander’s website isn’t working (at least the archive page) or I would look it up myself.
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Jennifer
 
I would like to know the objective basis for giving more trust to cradle Catholic than to the convert. By objective basis, I do not mean one’s own personal feelings on the subject. Provide non-anecdotal evidence to support this position.
 
This controversy goes back to the late 90’s. I’ve heard its been resolved, but I’m not sure. My sister works at Seton home study, so I’ll ask her next time I talk to her.

-Stylite
 
keepingitcatholic.org/wanderer.html
<<Keeping It Catholic News Flash - The unfolding events in Catholic homeschooling are featured in the July 15, 1999 issue of The Wanderer, America’s oldest weekly Catholic newspaper. The article, which appears below, can also be found at the Wanderer’s website at thewandererpress.com/ >>

This is from 5 years ago. Again, has anyone contacted the Hahn’s or Fr. Hardon to see if it’s been resolved??? That’s all I was asking. No one needs to take offense.
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Jennifer
 
While converts are always welcomed they are not universally trustworthy and they should not supplant as authorities Orthodox Cradle Catholics.
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Aren’t many Catholic saints converts?

Also, weren’t our Church fathers essentially converts?

Purely anectodally here, I am converting to Catholocism and my husband is a cradle Catholic. I drug him out of the church (unfortunately) and now we’re coming to the Church together. I love him dearly, but he knows squat about his own religion (spent his entire academic career in Catholic schools, too).
 
Jennifer J This is from 5 years ago. Again said:
Jennifer,
Exactly. All the stuff on the web about this goes back to 1999. It would be best to contact the primary parties (namely Seton and NACHE) to see if this has been taken care of. Anyway, its unfortunate that these squabbles between good Catholics always seem to happen.

-Stylite
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(a quick slightly off topic statement: I thought I had heard that Fr. John Hardon had died. If that’s the case, it would be pretty hard to talk to him about this issue. . . I could be very much mistaken about what I had heard though.)
 
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Catholicguy:
While converts are always welcomed they are not universally trustworthy and they should not supplant as authorities Orthodox Cradle Catholics.
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:eek: as a convert I guess I will never be cathoilic enough for some… 😛 but don’t worry I will keep working at it 👍
 
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(a quick slightly off topic statement: I thought I had heard that Fr. John Hardon had died. If that’s the case, it would be pretty hard to talk to him about this issue. . . I could be very much mistaken about what I had heard though.)
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Yes, Fr. Hardon died in 2000 I think.
 
Yes, Fr. Hardon died in 2000 I think.
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Then I dare say, it’s time for the originator of this thread, who ought to know that, to explain the point of the TWO threads on this topic. Is it something about Hahn’s? Homeschooling? Cradle Catholics vs. converts? Something else?
 
Prometheum_x said:
(a quick slightly off topic statement: I thought I had heard that Fr. John Hardon had died. If that’s the case, it would be pretty hard to talk to him about this issue. . . I could be very much mistaken about what I had heard though.)
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You are correct. He died December 20, 2000. There is a memoriam for him on NACHE’s web site: nache.org/memorial.html.

in pacem Christi,
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Jennifer J:
So this is a moot point…
Jennifer
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Pretty much.
If NACHE is still squabbling with Seton Home Study, well… that’s not a good thing.

-Stylite
 
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* And the original comment about orthodox Catholics versus convert Catholics is plainly insulting (and this coming from a cradle Catholic).*

A convert has already weighed-in in agreement with the statement you find insulting. Point out for me the insult. It wasn’t an inssult nor was it intended to be one.
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What makes a Catholic orthodox? What makes a convert not? If they are either a cradle Catholic who accepts church teaching, and/or a convert who accepts church teaching, what difference is there? This is something of an individual nature, and certainly not known, in such generalization by you or I.
 
While converts are always welcomed they are not universally trustworthy and they should not supplant as authorities Orthodox Cradle Catholics.
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By the way, if this ISN’T an insult to converts, then you’re denying a very obvious one! Who are you to judge, as a whole, the ‘trustworthiness’ of any individual? There are sinners amongst every group of people, including those who hold authority. You can’t make a sweeping generalization that converts are ‘universally untrustworthy’. That’s ridiculous.

I admire many converts for their bravery, their acceptance of truth, their obedience, and their seeking Truth in Christ. It takes a lot of courage. There may be a few out there who may still cling to ‘wrong ideas’, but, certainly, there are just as many cradle Catholics who do as well.

This sort of post is a deterent to good people seeking Truth in his one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. I am hoping those that read it, will understand this, regardless of unfounded insults.
 
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Rae:
By the way, if this ISN’T an insult to converts, then you’re denying a very obvious one! Who are you to judge, as a whole, the ‘trustworthiness’ of any individual? There are sinners amongst every group of people, including those who hold authority. You can’t make a sweeping generalization that converts are ‘universally untrustworthy’. That’s ridiculous.

I admire many converts for their bravery, their acceptance of truth, their obedience, and their seeking Truth in Christ. It takes a lot of courage. There may be a few out there who may still cling to ‘wrong ideas’, but, certainly, there are just as many cradle Catholics who do as well.

This sort of post is a deterent to good people seeking Truth in his one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. I am hoping those that read it, will understand this, regardless of unfounded insults.
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As I have said, I wish that those who think that way about converts/cradle Catholics would provide non-anecdotal support for their idea.

By the way, Rae, I love the Newman quote you have for your signature! I’ve never heard that one before. . . very insightful. . .
 
Some people are a little jittery about fresh converts due to some big named ones that had so much promise and knowledge but ended up going a bit astray into false Traditionalist territory.

That being said, if a convert or a cradle consistently speak truth, they’ve earned my trust. As Catholics it’s easy to double check what someone is saying against the Caetechism and Church documents.

-Stylite
 
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