King David ... probably the greatest Biblical character in both Testaments?

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What about his great sins? power-rape and murder… I know every saint has a past and every sinner has a future, but sure there are ‘cleaner’ characters in the Bible.
 
There’s also Jesus (of course!), the apostles, the Blessed Virgin Mary and Joseph, Judith, Esther, Solomon…

David was a good king, but had serious defects after his coronation as such.
 
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Eh, I don’t know about him… All the wisdom in the world and he let his wives talk him into worshipping false Gods. :man_shrugging:t2:
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Wisdom profits you nothing when you ignore it. That was Solomon’s mistake. 😜
 
Maybe Moses and Elijah since they made appearances in both Old and New Testaments.
 
Moses complained and Elijah fled from a queen and begged for God to take his life.
 
I always find it interesting that the Messianic genealogy in Matthew goes through Bathsheba. Even in great sin, God can forgive and bring about redemption.

I think David must have been a bit charismatic since the Bible describes him as dancing and leaping before the Ark of the Covenant. I suppose that would be the same as dancing before the Eucharist.
 
Maybe in the Old Testament Melchizedek. He only appears briefly. As far as we know he didn’t sin, unlike the other OT major characters. He was a type of Christ, King of Jerusalem and priest. He brought out bread and wine to Abraham and blessed him.
 
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And Jesus called the first pope Satan. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
 
Do you know why? Because he denied the cross of Christ. But, page forward to John 21 and see where Jesus tested Peter three times and gave him the command to be a shepherd; “Feed my lambs…tend My sheep… feed My lambs.”

Note that Peter denied knowing Christ by a charcoal fire, and later, by the sea of Tiberius, he reaffirmed his love of Christ - again, by a charcoal fire.
[John 18:18] Now the servants and officers had made a charcoal fire , because it was cold, and they were standing and warming themselves; Peter also was with them, standing and warming himself.

[John 21:9] When they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire there, with fish lying on it, and bread.
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Note that these are the only times in the scriptures where a charcoal fire is mentioned. Hmmm…
 
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Note that these are the only times in the scriptures where a charcoal fire is mentioned. Hmmm
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What a neat detail!

To the OP’s question - how can we judge greatness in God’s eyes? God expresses his generous will to reward the laborors who began in the evening [of life] with a full reward. Comparing the sins of David vs Moses vs Solomon… I think we miss the point with all of these characters that God’s mercy triumphs. Aren’t David and Noah and Moses, etc all traditionally regarded as saints? Perhaps the “greatest” among them would be whichever one had been forgiven the most…
 
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Note that these are the only times in the scriptures where a charcoal fire is mentioned. Hmmm…
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I think in the book of Tobit the fish entrails were also supposed to be burned on a charcoal fire…just a thought. (really cool detail @po18guy I’ll keep it in mind next time I’m reading through the Gospels.)
 
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Do you know why? Because he denied the cross of Christ. But, page forward to John 21 and see where Jesus tested Peter three times and gave him the command to be a shepherd; “Feed my lambs…tend My sheep… feed My lambs.”

Note that Peter denied knowing Christ by a charcoal fire, and later, by the sea of Tiberius, he reaffirmed his love of Christ - again, by a charcoal fire.
[John 18:18] Now the servants and officers had made a charcoal fire , because it was cold, and they were standing and warming themselves; Peter also was with them, standing and warming himself.

[John 21:9] When they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire there, with fish lying on it, and bread.
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I think you mean, “Yummmmm”.
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Note that these are the only times in the scriptures where a charcoal fire is mentioned. Hmmm…
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Would you mind if I note that this isn’t so in Spanish ? The word is “ brasas” in those passages. And the same word appears several times both in the Old and the New Testament.
I do not know what you mean by noting this, nor object to it per se, just mentioning that it appears differently in this different language. I checked with two Catholic Bibles in Spanish …
 
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