Kissing! What's the deal with it?

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In my opinion, anybody who won’t even kiss while dating has some serious intimacy issues. To me that would be a huge red flag to run away.
It might be better to see if someone has a reason for severe intimacy issues and if they can be worked through and resolved, especially if you care for them, rather than simply running away.

It also doesn’t sound much different to me than someone running away from someone because they want to wait until marriage for sex. I strongly suspect one major motivation for not wanting to date someone who won’t kiss whilst dating is a strong desire to kiss someone you are attracted to, to partially make up for not being able to go further with them.

And personally I wouldn’t call simply wishing to wait to kiss proof of that, it sounds like it could just be a higher standard of chastity to me.
 
In words of my high-school catechist, who was a missionary priest: kissing to show affection is fine, kissing to awaken or satisfy sex-drive is not.

People assign different meanings to kisses.

The meaning I assign, and I believe I’m right on this one, is love and affection. And let’s delve into more detail.

It is certainly *not *a part of getting to know somebody because in order to get to know somebody we don’t need to find out first-hand whether he’s a good kisser.

I have a huge problem with kissing on the lips in non-exclusive dating scenarios. Namely, I don’t and won’t do it, but it actually bothers me that some people do. Because kissing is *not *a recreational activity. And it’s not a lesser kind of “intimacy” that’s allowed for until sex can take place. It’s a *sign *of affection. When it’s used to get some serotonin (and dopamine! and endorfins!) to the brain, outside a relationship where it would belong, it’s misused.

And I *don’t *have a problem with people who kiss on the lips with friends (this is very rare but some people do do that), I have a problem with having multiple romantic “kissing partners” at the same time and the use of *signs *of affection not to show affection (as the purpose of signs is showing) but to get the thrill (and feel good). Let alone when sex drive has anything to do with it.
 
Well, there’s kissing, and then there’s making out.

In my mind, those are different things.

I can totally see that a person who is waiting for marriage for sex would not want to be making out – there’s a lot of temptation there.

In a way, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t kiss your fiance (The only person I know of who did this was Josh Duggar! LOL), but on the other hand, I think it’s kind of sweet.

I myself don’t think it’s that big of a deal to kiss, and I am not really ashamed that I kissed quite a few boys in my day. It was fun. To each his own.
 
I have a huge problem with kissing on the lips in non-exclusive dating scenarios. Namely, I don’t and won’t do it, but it actually bothers me that some people do. Because kissing is *not *a recreational activity. And it’s not a lesser kind of “intimacy” that’s allowed for until sex can take place. It’s a *sign *of affection. When it’s used to get some serotonin (and dopamine! and endorfins!) to the brain, outside a relationship where it would belong, it’s misused.

And I *don’t *have a problem with people who kiss on the lips with friends (this is very rare but some people do do that), I have a problem with having multiple romantic “kissing partners” at the same time and the use of *signs *of affection not to show affection (as the purpose of signs is showing) but to get the thrill (and feel good). Let alone when sex drive has anything to do with it.
👍 Well said!
Tell that to basically every Tom, Dick, Harry and Sally where I live. Kissing someone here is laughable, recreational, a joke. Most people hit their early twenties having kissed around 30 different people. :eek:
 
Interesting topic. About a few years ago in college, my friend had said she was waiting until engagement to kiss and I thought that was absurd. But then more of my friends had this same logic and got married and now have kids. I think a peck on the lips is fine but a prolonged kiss I want to wait until engagement. I agree it is good to be very upfront about these things. There is a lot of articles about why waiting until marriage or engagement to have a passionate kiss. I can pull some of them up if you would like.
 
For me, only one. And it was more silly than anything else…

I respect those who do, I just don’t think it’s a good idea…

A lot of my friends and family are extremely physically affectionate. Granted, being of Mediterranean descent and having a lot of friends who are either the same or from Latin, African or other cultures, we’re all hugging and cheek-kissing, woman to woman or man to woman (and sometimes man to man and no, it doesn’t mean they’re gay, but I haven’t found it as frequent). So, I don’t always know if a guy is into you or just a very affectionate buddy (I have a couple Italian and South American guy friends who are “just friends”, dating someone else, and they are affectionate with every woman they know). To me, lip kissing is the only truly romantic touch that can happen outside marriage. That and cuddling, as long as you’re careful…and OK, holding hands, but if I’m having sex imminently after my wedding, I’d want to at least be comfortable with kissing him, holding him, and allowing myself to be held…Again, as long as we’re careful…but otherwise, there really is no difference for me…
 
Before I met my husband, I intended to save my first kiss for marriage. But my mother pointed out that I might not want my first kiss to be in front of a hundred people on the wedding day! In the end, my husband and I decided together when we wanted our first kiss to be – which was some time after our relationship had gotten pretty serious. We didn’t want to trivialize our first kiss, but on the other hand, we didn’t want to act like it was something more important than it was. A kiss is not sex. It does not have to be saved for marriage.

And I think the combination of wanting to save the first kiss and wanting to talk about sex right away shows that the person is excessively focused on that side of marriage. If two people who believe in the Church’s view on sex and have a good relationship in other areas get married, they will generally be able to handle any issues that come up in their sex life after marriage. There isn’t a whole lot that needs to be said about it. Though I think it’s good for an engaged couple to discuss their expectations a little, it certainly shouldn’t be brought up early in a dating relationship.

As far as saving the first kiss goes, if both people want to do that, I don’t necessarily see a problem with that, but I don’t think it’s necessary at all. Even the Victorians would kiss once they were engaged. I also think it’s important to learn to kiss chastely – learning how to express affection without being tempted sexually. (Believe me, you can do an awful lot of unchaste things without kissing! What’s more important is to know that both of you have the same conviction to avoid unchastity, and a similar understanding of what unchastity is.)
 
I feel really left out. 😉 Even if I included my family (which I presume it doesn’t…) I doubt it’d add up to 15. I guess I should be thankful.
hehehe 😛

What I’m talkin about isn’t a family type kiss. I mean, going to clubs, passionately kissing and grinding with a different guy almost each time. 30 is a conservative number at that.
I’m thankful I’ve only kissed my small amount of girlfriends who I was close to 🙂
 
👍 Well said!
Tell that to basically every Tom, Dick, Harry and Sally where I live. Kissing someone here is laughable, recreational, a joke. Most people hit their early twenties having kissed around 30 different people. :eek:
Bahahaha glad to say that I’m not in that number… erm not that there’s anything wrong with them =)
I feel really left out. 😉 Even if I included my family (which I presume it doesn’t…) I doubt it’d add up to 15. I guess I should be thankful.
lol dw 30 is a gross exaggeration, it’s like when people are always like, EVERYONE is doing it! (having sex) which we all know isn’t true.
hehehe 😛

What I’m talkin about isn’t a family type kiss. I mean, going to clubs, passionately kissing and grinding with a different guy almost each time. 30 is a conservative number at that.
I’m thankful I’ve only kissed my small amount of girlfriends who I was close to 🙂
Same, in fact I can name and remember every guy I’ve kissed. lol This is more likely to do with my INTENSE fear of bad teeth/breath :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 
As far as saving the first kiss goes, if both people want to do that, I don’t necessarily see a problem with that, but I don’t think it’s necessary at all. Even the Victorians would kiss once they were engaged. I also think it’s important to learn to kiss chastely – learning how to express affection without being tempted sexually. (Believe me, you can do an awful lot of unchaste things without kissing! What’s more important is to know that both of you have the same conviction to avoid unchastity, and a similar understanding of what unchastity is.)
Now, this isn’t aimed at you directly but I have to say I find it disheartening that inside a community that prompts chastity there is so much judgment going on for those who practice a deeper level of chastity.

Those who decide to abstain from kissing are not in the wrong, and neither are those who do not abstain. Why do we have to sit in judgment over each other over something so trivial? There are those in the secular world that would argue that if your girlfriend isn’t willing to have sex with you then she has intimacy issues and should be tossed. Since when did a high level of chastity become a mark of ‘issues’?

Now, as to why I quoted your comment, I kind of love the idea of Victorian courtship. 🙂 Heh.
 
Now, this isn’t aimed at you directly but I have to say I find it disheartening that** inside a community that prompts chastity there is so much judgment going on for those who practice a deeper level of chastity.**

Those who decide to abstain from kissing are not in the wrong, and neither are those who do not abstain. Why do we have to sit in judgment over each other over something so trivial? There are those in the secular world that would argue that if your girlfriend isn’t willing to have sex with you then she has intimacy issues and should be tossed. Since when did a high level of chastity become a mark of ‘issues’?

Now, as to why I quoted your comment, I kind of love the idea of Victorian courtship. 🙂 Heh.
I think some people chafe under the idea, because they strongly associate it with some fundamentalist, conservative Christian groups.

I myself see nothing wrong with kissing before marriage/engagement, but I would never mock someone else who chooses to save their first kiss.
 
Recently I was getting to know a person on a Catholic singles site. The person brought up that they don’t kiss on the lips to anyone at any stage of dating until perhaps engagement or marriage. However this person after only 2-3 conversations had no problem talking about sex and how I thought sex would be like. I was like, well how am I supposed to know what it is since I am a faithful Catholic.

What I want to ask people here is this: While dating/courting a person, did you kiss (on the lips) or did you wait till engaged/married? Its my understanding that there is no sin in kissing a person especially if you are romantically attracted to them.

I know a few people who wait till engagement or marriage for kisisng and the thought that comes to me is this: love doesn’t start in a relationship on the marriage day or even the engagement day. It can start even at first sight.
Ok, this is how it is in my circle…and it has NOTHING to do with my faith or anything like that.

Myself, my friends, everyone I know…like…I haven’t ‘french kissed’ anyone since high school. Seriously. How gross is that!! :eek:

French kissing is a very personal, intimate thing…like, your mouths are touching, inside…the swapping of saliva…its a lot of wet back and forth…:eek::eek:

Anyways, by the time I was out of high school…and had seen other people go thru strings of relationships…one night stands…hook ups…it wasnt hard for me to put 2 and 2 together and know that- you have NO idea where a dudes mouth has been. And where, his mouth has been, has been…you feel me?? And its not just me…I’m 28, and all my girlfriends…my daughters father…just, people my age in general- we dont french kiss. My daughters father and I were together 5 years, and we didnt french kiss…just kissed.

Totally gross me out I went out to a bar/club with my girl the other night…and there was some random girl, totally intoxicated, french kissing some random guy on the dance floor…slobber meccos hot mess and all- ((gag)) ((((GAG)))

Yeah x nay on the french kissing for me thank you.
 
How about kissing? Will you kindly explain why it is so dangerous and all that?

A woman has written the following article on a subject that is of interest to young men as well as to young women and it is so sensible, so clear, so instructive, that it deserves to be widely circulated:

"I get a great many letters from young girls who want to know what they shall do about the kissing proposition. They say that it is practically a case of no kiss, no beau, for the young men who take them about demand a good-night kiss as pay for their courtesies, and if they refuse, it is, indeed, goodnight, in the slang phrase for they never see these osculatory youths again.

"Now the innate modesty and delicacy of those girls revolt at yielding their lips to men to whom they are not even engaged; to men who do not even pretend to be in love with them. It violates their sense of what is proper, but, at the same time, they do not want to be regarded as prudes or Puritans. Still less do they desire to be wall flowers left out of all the fun and parties, and numbered with those forlorn damsels who never have any attention from men.

"So the girl is torn between her instinctive sense of what is right and her knowledge of expediency, and she wants to know what she shall do and how she shall answer the eternal argument of man when he is trying to persuade a woman into doing the thing that he knows she should not do. To kiss or not to kiss, that’s the question that troubles her.

"There can be but one answer to give a girl to this problem. It is no, no, no! A maiden’s lips should be kept inviolate, and the first man’s kiss that is pressed upon them should be the kiss of love from the man she expects to marry. For a girl to give her lips to every Tom, Dick and Harry who takes her to a moving picture show or escorts her home from a dance is something unthinkable…

"It is a pity that girls can never be made to realize that the most alluring and attractive thing about them is the aura of innocence and unsophistication that surrounds them. It is the whiteness, the untrodden snowness of their souls that is their chief charm, and they never make so fatal a mistake as when they throw this away.

"If girls were only wise enough to realize how fascinating aloofness is, and what an appeal unsullied purity makes to the masculine imagination, they would keep every man at arm’s length at least until he had come out and popped the question. They would not think for a minute of putting up with cheap familiarities from men that rob them of their freshness and make them little shop-worn bits of humanity that have been pawed over like the goods on a bargain table. Girls should never forget that it is the shy and shrinking violet that is man’s favourite flower not the brazen sunflower.

"My girl correspondent says that she does not know how to answer a man when he begs her to kiss him and tells her that there is no harm in it, and that his arguments make her feel foolish because she seems to be making a great ado over very little matter. There is one answer that every girl can make to a man’s request for a kiss.

"She can ask him if he would like his sister to kiss any man goodnight who happened to call on her. She can ask him what he would advise his sister to do if his sister were in her place. And she can ask him if he would like to think that the girl that he is going to marry some day had kissed a hundred men who were mere casual acquaintances.

"Such questions will make any decent man writhe. A man will tell his own sister quickly enough what he thinks on the subject and his own lips would grow cold and stiff on his sweetheart’s if he remembered that her soft young mouth had belonged to a long procession of men before him. "Girls can never bear in mind too constantly the fact that not all men play fair with women, and that men are not always just or logical in judging them. A man might spend hours, days and months persuading a girl to do something that is wrong, and have a contempt for her ever afterwards for yielding to him. He will argue down her every instinct and scruple and principle against kissing him, and the minute she does he will lose his reverence for her as for something utterly fine and delicate…

"Girls should also bear in mind that a wedding ring on the hand is worth a basket of them in the dim distance, and that the girls who have the most beaux generally get the fewest and the poorest makeshifts of husbands. A girl observes that those girls who are free and easy in their manners, who exact no sort of respect from men and permit them to indulge in familiarities and take liberties with them, girls who drink and smoke with men, and listen to and tell off-coloured stories, girls who are good sports — these girls are what we call popular, and are generally surrounded by a horde of men. Especially while they are young and good looking, and full of high spirits.

"But what the girl does not notice is that this type of young girl very seldom marries, and when she does she almost invariably marries a crooked stick who wasn’t worth picking up. The fast girl, the girl without modesty or delicate womanly reserve, may be the kind of a girl that men like to play with, but she isn’t the sort of woman that they want for a wife and for the mother of their children.

"That is why you are so often surprised at the marriages that men make. Men whom you have known of as gay rounders bob up with a wife who is a Sunday school teacher. Men who have been noted chorus girl chasers go to some country village and marry girls who never saw a brighter lamp than a kerosene lamp. They don’t want the lips on which a thousand kisses have rained. They want the lips that have never been kissed at all.
 
Wow, that was powerfull stuff! Even though it is SSPX, I agree with it. Says all the things I wish I could say to my peers! I just wish passionate kissing wasn’t seen as the new holding hands (i.e. its nothing at all, whatever, do it to anybody).
 
Scott and Kimberley Hahn recommend “first kiss on the altar”.
Both my wife and I have had personal interactions with the Hahns’ kids. And I’ll just say that we don’t take any advice from the Hahns based on how their children view them.
 
Shouldn’t the question of whether to save the first kiss until engagement/marriage really be a win-win situation? On the one hand, if you’re in a serious relationship there’s nothing wrong with chaste kisses as a sign of affection - and on the other, it’s also a nice idea to hold off until a certain point. Either way, it’s a good thing 🙂

I’m engaged, but waiting for a first kiss till marriage - this wasn’t my idea, but I’m fine with it. It’s like fasting on Fridays outside of Lent or going to Mass every day - something not required, but added on top of what is required, like the proverbial cherry on top of your sundae.* And if it gets annoying, you can always change your mind, no harm done. Better yet, offer it up for others struggling with chastity!

*Pun very much intended. 😃
 
Scott and Kimberley Hahn recommend “first kiss on the altar”.
😦

A couple should go to great lengths not to touch each other until 3 years after the wedding vows have been exchanged, just to make sure. After 3 years, they may hold hands…briefly, and in the privacy of their own home. After the 6th year anniversary, a slight kiss on the cheek is acceptable, but only in rare circumstances. After ten years have passed, a kiss on the lips, though distasteful, should be allowed. A married couple shoun never do anything more intimate than a slight kiss on the lips. No. Never. Not a chance.

Please read with a sense of humor in mind.
 
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