Kissling Dares Catholic Hierarchy to Excommunicate Her for Abortion Advocacy

[Franciscan]

lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07052308.html

This is a must read.

"Kissling writes, ‘Every so often some Roman Catholic hierarch gets a bee in his beanie and makes noises about excommunicating some pro-choice policy maker. Ultra-orthodox Catholics are ecstatic, and even mainstream newspapers turn into tabloids rushing to report the imminence of something that never happens’.”

“But it is true that after 25 years of public advocacy for abortion and as the abortion movement’s favourite weapon to bash and ridicule Catholic teaching, Kissling remains, officially, in good standing as a Catholic and claims to receive Communion regularly”

This is the biggest problem that the Church faces today.

 

[Jaypeeto3]

That and the spineless bishops who tolerate her.
They are supposed to shepherd the flock, and discipline us when needed, not let the flock run hog-wild advocating every manner of sin and evil without reproving them.

Kissling is extremely bold. I consider her an apostate.

 

[Franciscan]

That and the spineless bishops who tolerate her.
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That’s what i mean

 

[Steve_O_Brien]

lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07052308.html

This is a must read.

"Kissling writes, ‘Every so often some Roman Catholic hierarch gets a bee in his beanie and makes noises about excommunicating some pro-choice policy maker. Ultra-orthodox Catholics are ecstatic, and even mainstream newspapers turn into tabloids rushing to report the imminence of something that never happens’.”

“But it is true that after 25 years of public advocacy for abortion and as the abortion movement’s favourite weapon to bash and ridicule Catholic teaching, Kissling remains, officially, in good standing as a Catholic and claims to receive Communion regularly”

This is the biggest problem that the Church faces today.

Since God draws good out of evil, let’s pray that Frances Kissling’s provocation will help provoke some bishops into exhibiting the courage necessary for the first excommunications.

Keep and spread the Faith.

 

[mdgspencer]

Not only Catholics who have abortions but those directly involved (such a driving a woman to the abortion clinic) are authmatically excommunicated. I presume that at times she had direct involvement with people’s abortions and that she has been automatically excommunicated too. All she is dong is baiting the Catholic Church, and it is better not to let her succeed in dismaying us. For her to say that she goes to communion is just a joke, and I wouldn’t expect the truth from someone of the sort.

 

[Lance]

The bishops may equivocate, as she points out in her artical, but God will not when she stands before Him in judgement.

 

[elijahson]

lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07052308.html

This is a must read.

"Kissling writes, ‘Every so often some Roman Catholic hierarch gets a bee in his beanie and makes noises about excommunicating some pro-choice policy maker. Ultra-orthodox Catholics are ecstatic, and even mainstream newspapers turn into tabloids rushing to report the imminence of something that never happens’.”

“But it is true that after 25 years of public advocacy for abortion and as the abortion movement’s favourite weapon to bash and ridicule Catholic teaching, Kissling remains, officially, in good standing as a Catholic and claims to receive Communion regularly”

This is the biggest problem that the Church faces today.

Exactly right…when we do not draw a line in the sand and resign ourselves to the circumstances, perhaps being disliked, we send a mixed message about our commitment to the Faith…mercy yes, compromise no!

 

[vern_humphrey]

I keep coming back to the same point. When John Kerry visited Arkansas in '04, some newshound asked the Diocese if he would be granted communion – should he attend Mass.

The Diocese spokesman said, “We don’t want to put politicians under pressure.”

In every Catholic church in the land, there are people who cannot take communion – those Protestants married to Catholics, those who are divorced and remarried, and so on. Yet we have no compunction about putting **them **under pressure!

Apparently there are two Catholic Churches – one for the rich and powerful, and one for the rest of us.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

Not only Catholics who have abortions but those directly involved (such a driving a woman to the abortion clinic) are authmatically excommunicated. I presume that at times she had direct involvement with people’s abortions and that she has been automatically excommunicated too. All she is dong is baiting the Catholic Church, and it is better not to let her succeed in dismaying us. For her to say that she goes to communion is just a joke, and I wouldn’t expect the truth from someone of the sort.

I wonder, though, if Kissling is dissembling somewhat—about receiving communion, I mean. Could it be she’s making the circuit of numerous churches in her area, receiving communion from priests who don’t recognize her (even though they may well have heard about her in the news), and thus technically IS receiving communion?

In the case of somebody showing the kind of attitude she exhibits, would it really surprise you if she’s putting on that kind of a charade? It wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

I keep coming back to the same point. When John Kerry visited Arkansas in '04, some newshound asked the Diocese if he would be granted communion – should he attend Mass.

The Diocese spokesman said, “We don’t want to put politicians under pressure.”

In every Catholic church in the land, there are people who cannot take communion – those Protestants married to Catholics, those who are divorced and remarried, and so on. Yet we have no compunction about putting **them **under pressure!

Apparently there are two Catholic Churches – one for the rich and powerful, and one for the rest of us.

My own parish priest told us (just before the '04 elections) that it is not wrong or sinful to vote for a politician who happens to be pro-choice. It WOULD, however, be wrong if one were voting for him/her BECAUSE he/she was pro-choice.

In other words, the abortion issue doesn’t trump all other issues combined.

At this point, I agree.

 

[John28]

Since God draws good out of evil, let’s pray that Frances Kissling’s provocation will help provoke some bishops into exhibiting the courage necessary for the first excommunications.

Keep and spread the Faith.

Pride does go before the fall and this is a prideful stance.

 

[vern_humphrey]

My own parish priest told us (just before the '04 elections) that it is not wrong or sinful to vote for a politician who happens to be pro-choice. It WOULD, however, be wrong if one were voting for him/her BECAUSE he/she was pro-choice.

In other words, the abortion issue doesn’t trump all other issues combined.

At this point, I agree.

Be careful – I have never known someone to apply “situational ethics” to a real problem and not find that the most ethical thing for them was exactly what they wanted to do.

Given two candidates who are equally pro-abortion, you can ethically make your decision on other grounds. But you cannot ethically reject a pro-life candidate for a pro-abortion candidate on the grounds that the latter is “right” on repaving your street or some other issue.

 

[Pope_Noah_I]

I wish we still had the old Joseph Ratzinger, ruthless when it came to defending the Holy Faith. But I hate to say it, Papa Ratzi has gotten soft. My prayers for him to have courage don’t seem to be working.

 

[childofmary1143]

I keep coming back to the same point. When John Kerry visited Arkansas in '04, some newshound asked the Diocese if he would be granted communion – should he attend Mass.

The Diocese spokesman said, “We don’t want to put politicians under pressure.”

In every Catholic church in the land, there are people who cannot take communion – those Protestants married to Catholics, those who are divorced and remarried, and so on. Yet we have no compunction about putting **them **under pressure!

Apparently there are two Catholic Churches – one for the rich and powerful, and one for the rest of us.

Excellent Points vern:thumbsup:

 

[rien]

I keep coming back to the same point. When John Kerry visited Arkansas in '04, some newshound asked the Diocese if he would be granted communion – should he attend Mass.

The Diocese spokesman said, “We don’t want to put politicians under pressure.”

In every Catholic church in the land, there are people who cannot take communion – those Protestants married to Catholics, those who are divorced and remarried, and so on. Yet we have no compunction about putting **them **under pressure!

Apparently there are two Catholic Churches – one for the rich and powerful, and one for the rest of us.

You absolutely nailed it. There are two churches. Just look at who gets annulments and who does not.

The reality is hitting home as now there seems to be an exodus of formerly orthodox Catholics from the church. Mostly to Eastern Orthodoxy. I personally took a different route, but have heard that up to 25% of the members of some Orthodox congregations in the US are former Catholics.

Many had high hopes for Pope Benedict but, IMO, he is even more wishy washy that was John Paul 2. They release these great intellectually challenging documents on the orthodox Catholic faith, but do little to feed the sheep. If you don’t feed the sheep they stray and now even orthodox Catholics are starting to stray.

 

[First_of_9]

From a PR standpoint, officially excommunicating Kissling could be a bad move.

Right now, it seems, she is preaching to no one. She no longer has her position as the president of a fine sounding but “on-paper-only” organization. She is no longer sought out for “pithy” sound bites (or “type bites”} from the press.

IMHO, official excommunication would give her the credentials of a martyrdom against the “tyranny of a male dominate, oppressive to womyn” organization. She also doesn’t deserve official excommunication. That is usually reserved for bigger fish. She’s nothing but a lone minnow in the ocean.

Just my :twocents:

 

[vern_humphrey]

From a PR standpoint, officially excommunicating Kissling could be a bad move.

Right now, it seems, she is preaching to no one. She no longer has her position as the president of a fine sounding but “on-paper-only” organization. She is no longer sought out for “pithy” sound bites (or “type bites”} from the press.

IMHO, official excommunication would give her the credentials of a martyrdom against the “tyranny of a male dominate, oppressive to womyn” organization. She also doesn’t deserve official excommunication. That is usually reserved for bigger fish. She’s nothing but a lone minnow in the ocean.

Just my :twocents:

Ther are a couple of matters we seem to be overlooking – her soul and our souls. If the Church does not correct her, her soul is in jeopardy – and that jeopardy may extend to those who failed to do their duty.

 

[Dandelion_Wine]

In every Catholic church in the land, there are people who cannot take communion – those Protestants married to Catholics, those who are divorced and remarried, and so on. Yet we have no compunction about putting **them **under pressure!

Something to contemplate - I’ll have to think upon this more. My hesitation though is that the Church doesn’t excommunicate those people. Nor have I seen any talk about one going up to communion being denied communion. The Church’s position is clear and I hear Her say it over and over, pro-abortion people should NOT be receiving communion, just as those divorced and remarried shouldn’t.

I wish we still had the old Joseph Ratzinger, ruthless when it came to defending the Holy Faith. But I hate to say it, Papa Ratzi has gotten soft.

“Papa Ratzi” - that’s funny!

I think though now he has a different ‘job’ as it were. Perhaps we should be looking to his successor to carry on?

The reality is hitting home as now there seems to be an exodus of formerly orthodox Catholics from the church.
…
If you don’t feed the sheep they stray and now even orthodox Catholics are starting to stray.

I understand your point, but am not sure I fully agree - perhaps it’s a semantics thing. If one is TRULY orthodox catholic, then one knows that the Catholic Church is the one instituted by Christ. So how could one possibly leave that?

Ther are a couple of matters we seem to be overlooking – her soul and our souls. If the Church does not correct her, her soul is in jeopardy – and that jeopardy may extend to those who failed to do their duty.

I agree with you Vern as I’m sure most people on this board do. I think where the disagreement may come in is over the methodology of bringing one back into the fold. And before anyone takes me to task, I’m not sure where I land in my opinion on formal excommunication,

 

[vern_humphrey]

I agree with you Vern as I’m sure most people on this board do. I think where the disagreement may come in is over the methodology of bringing one back into the fold. And before anyone takes me to task, I’m not sure where I land in my opinion on formal excommunication,

I would not dictate a course of action to the Bishops, but I plead with them, do something! Show us that you’re serious about protecting the unborn.

Don’t leave us thinking that abortion is less serious than remarriage after divorce.

 

[bones_IV]

I would not dictate a course of action to the Bishops, but I plead with them, do something! Show us that you’re serious about protecting the unborn.

Don’t leave us thinking that abortion is less serious than remarriage after divorce.

Agreed.