Knights of Columbus change Fourth Degree uniforms

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As Cher often understood, sometimes s costume change is a great way to seem like you are keeping fresh!

Or as the great poet Katy perry once wrote. “. You change your mind like the knights change thier clothes.”

For all the knights, Katy perry is someone your grandkids listen to…
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Hoosier_Daddy said:
That isn’t really good PR for the knights. “A select few made the decision”
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In any large organization, a select few **always **make the decisions. That’s why you have leaders. The point is, maybe they sought the necessary broad (name removed by moderator)ut over the past 3 years; or, instead, maybe did not get much (name removed by moderator)ut. I don’t know.

The problem is they have to seek “(name removed by moderator)ut” not only from the current Color Corps members, but also other Knights who are not in the Color Corps, and from people outside the K of C. A lot of people think everybody who joins the Knights has to join the Color Corps.

I would be interested in how much people prefer the older outfit because it is inherently better in appearance or comfort, and how much the preference is because of familiar past usage.

If it is only because of familiar past usage, that reason will quickly fade away. If there is an actual problem with comfort and appearance of the new outfit, describe it.
 
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In any large organization, a select few **always **make the decisions. That’s why you have leaders. The point is, maybe they sought the necessary broad (name removed by moderator)ut over the past 3 years; or, instead, maybe did not get much (name removed by moderator)ut. I don’t know.

The problem is they have to seek “(name removed by moderator)ut” not only from the current Color Corps members, but also other Knights who are not in the Color Corps, and from people outside the K of C. A lot of people think everybody who joins the Knights has to join the Color Corps.

I would be interested in how much people prefer the older outfit because it is inherently better in appearance or comfort, and how much the preference is because of familiar past usage.

If it is only because of familiar past usage, that reason will quickly fade away. If there is an actual problem with comfort and appearance of the new outfit, describe it.
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I get the sense that it isn’t popular.
I’m sure some will like it.
I don’t. But then again I didn’t like the old one either. And I’m not a knight . So my opinion isn’t really that important.

The old ones seemed too costumey and the new ones seem preppy…
If it makes the pancakes taste better I could get behind it…
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
That isn’t really good PR for the knights. “A select few made the decision”
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I can see both sides to this.

On the one hand, getting (name removed by moderator)ut from a large group can be helpful in that the group tends to be more invested in the process and more accepting of the outcome.

On the other hand, opening up the discussion to everyone can yield way too many conflicting opinions and lead to in-fighting and no forward progress.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I can see both sides to this.

On the one hand, getting (name removed by moderator)ut from a large group can be helpful in that the group tends to be more invested in the process and more accepting of the outcome.

On the other hand, opening up the discussion to everyone can yield way too many conflicting opinions and lead to in-fighting and no forward progress.
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Those lucky enough to vacation with the knights at a warriors to Lourdes field trip got a lot of say.

I guess it’s wha s in your pocket that really counts.
 
I’m late to the discussion, having only learned this weekend of the regalia change and that my council is so mad they are going to discontinue the CC. I’m a 3rd degree and the only reason I didn’t go for my 4th was the old regalia; not a fan.

Having seen the new regalia, I see what Supreme means about updating the image. I would buy the new and take my 4th degree, so maybe y’all could join me in praying for my bent out of shape council?

Regardless of opinions on regalia, as there will always be differences, it’s my personal humble opinion that dropping the CC in protest of the changes just ain’t right, helpful, or good for any Knights of Columbus council.
 
hotdiggity said:
I’m late to the discussion, having only learned this weekend of the regalia change and that my council is so mad they are going to discontinue the CC. I’m a 3rd degree and the only reason I didn’t go for my 4th was the old regalia; not a fan.

Having seen the new regalia, I see what Supreme means about updating the image. I would buy the new and take my 4th degree, so maybe y’all could join me in praying for my bent out of shape council?

Regardless of opinions on regalia, as there will always be differences, it’s my personal humble opinion that dropping the CC in protest of the changes just ain’t right, helpful, or good for any Knights of Columbus council.
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Purchasing regalia has never been required and the same will be true of the uniform. It is the decision from Supreme that the current regalia may continue to be worn until the end of this Fraternal Year, 30 June 2018. Following that date only the new uniform is to be used. If no one in your assembly wishes to purchase the new uniform, then they will have no choice but to discontinue Honor Guard activities.

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as a forty year old man, 30 years younger than most knights, i would say that this change to this colonel trautman/angus young look is not going to attract me to the 4th degree. as i thought the old look was dignified yet outspoken. i was already put off by the military/flag worship, but this is the nail in the coffin. it was inevitable though, as the church and its organizations hate tradition and are in love with modernism.
 
Could it be possible that the “long game” here is to abolish the Honor Guard by letting it - MacArthur-like - “fade away” as the old regalia becomes forbidden and men refuse to adopt the new? I have serious difficulties picturing a blazer-and-beret team lining an aisle for a bishop’s procession being perceived by the congregation as an “honor guard.”
 
John_Lazarus said:
Nah. Khakis and a polo. Maybe a nice cardigan.
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yup, would love for a bunch of guys in golfing gear to be honor guard at my funeral.

maybe they could have golf carts and do cool figure 8s like the shriners in the local parade.
 
tee_eff_em said:
Purchasing regalia has never been required and the same will be true of the uniform. It is the decision from Supreme that the current regalia may continue to be worn until the end of this Fraternal Year, 30 June 2018. Following that date only the new uniform is to be used. If no one in your assembly wishes to purchase the new uniform, then they will have no choice but to discontinue Honor Guard activities.

SK tee
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I am sure the new regalia is available for purchase right now. Is the old regalia still available for purchase for the coming year?

In my assembly, there are many men who are no longer able to serve, or men who have passed on. The Assembly asks them, or their families, if they would hand on the regalia if still available to new members. If that is not possible, the Assembly purchases new, with fund raising dinners. I think the biggest expense is ongoing dry cleaning the tux.

I don’t know how the new regalia will compare in terms of maintenance cost. The average member is much older than before; I wonder how the new regalia compares in terms of making the person too warm. Where I live, we have many old churches that are not air conditioned.
 
I am a recent 4th degree and part of the generation Supreme claimed was the target. I’m not having any of it, all told, shipping and tailor expenses, the new kit costs something like 800!

This was the final straw, Supreme refuses to expel pro abortion members, and now they trample on the sentiments and traditions of the real knights. (Us, at the ground level, the guys running Special Olympics and parish events, the guys marching in sweltering heat in their uniforms for Eucharistic Processions)

If this is the way Supreme wants to play things, well as for myself and many brother knights, we’ll be soon finding other ways to serve that don’t focus around funneling money to a central organization…
 
Hobbes42 said:
I am a recent 4th degree and part of the generation Supreme claimed was the target. I’m not having any of it, all told, shipping and tailor expenses, the new kit costs something like 800!

This was the final straw, Supreme refuses to expel pro abortion members, and now they trample on the sentiments and traditions of the real knights. (Us, at the ground level, the guys running Special Olympics and parish events, the guys marching in sweltering heat in their uniforms for Eucharistic Processions)

If this is the way Supreme wants to play things, well as for myself and many brother knights, we’ll be soon finding other ways to serve that don’t focus around funneling money to a central organization…
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Maybe time to start a Knights of Columbus of the Strict Observance (KoCoSO)?
 
Hobbes42 said:
and now they trample on the sentiments and traditions of the real knights. (Us, at the ground level, the guys running Special Olympics and parish events, the guys marching in sweltering heat in their uniforms for Eucharistic Processions)
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I would be interested in any info re: the comfort level of old vs new. Are the new ones any better in the heat? Would they be easier or cheaper to keep clean?

(not meaning to ignore your other concerns)
 
Hoping to get a response, I asked a knight his opinion on the new uniforms. “How do you like the new uniforms, Gregory?” No response, so I said again, HOW DO YOU LIKE THE NEW UNIFORMS, GREGORY? Still nothing, so I went to the nearest store and bought hair trimmers and batteries. Went back to the parish, helped trim his ear canal, installed new batteries in his hearing aides, and said again “HOW DO YOU LIKE THE NEW UNIFORMS, GREGORY?”
He answered this time, mumbling something about how the uniforms were good because the confederacy would never see them coming…
 
Hobbes42 said:
This was the final straw, Supreme refuses to expel pro abortion members, and now they trample on the sentiments and traditions of the real knights. (Us, at the ground level, the guys running Special Olympics and parish events, the guys marching in sweltering heat in their uniforms for Eucharistic Processions)

If this is the way Supreme wants to play things, well as for myself and many brother knights, we’ll be soon finding other ways to serve that don’t focus around funneling money to a central organization…
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I hear you. As a brother Knight, I suggest you try to keep in mind in mind the size of the Order, and the fact that they generally attract the average Catholic man, unlike the renewal movements that only attract the devout. This means there will always be some Knights behaving badly (out of 2 million) or leaders making decisions that don’t appeal to me personally.

I was heavily active in renewal movements decades ago. The groups we founded flourished for a few years, but faded away. We did some spiritual benefit for people who were already very religious, but we had no success impacting on the community, the garden variety Catholics. Now those groups are gone, but the K of C keeps plodding on, year after year, attracting some devout guys but mostly the average guys, bringing them all a little closer to Christ.

For hundreds of thousands of families, Columbia may be the only prolife magazine coming into their home on a regular basis. From the time the K of C was founded till now, countless Catholic organizations have been founded, fraternal and others, that disappeared. Others are mostly secularized, including my old high school, and the convent that taught me in grammar school. Through it all, the K of C has been incredibly consistent about fidelity to Christ, through the Catholic Church.

Don’t let a temporary controversy or the inevitable disagreements and mistakes at the local level make you overlook the larger, long term picture.
 
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