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Knights of Columbus Has Dropped Out of Boston Saint Patrick's Day Parade
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unstoppable_II
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The municipality issues parade permits. A parade is a form of speech; therefore, if the city decides to allow parades, it must issue or deny permits on a content neutral basis. A recent court decision ruled that the organizers of a parade are under no obligation to include speech counter to the organizers’ message. IOW, if gays wanted to parade, they should apply for their own permit. :sad_yes:Frankly I’m surprised Boston hasn’t been sued by an anti-religious organization for having a Saint Patrick’s Day parade.
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My apologies to you and the other poster for making my analogy in the South! I often wish I lived there, partly because of the horrible winters where I am, but mostly because the South has tended to resist the national flood of secularism fairly well.Thanks for speaking up!. I live in the deep South too.
I actually think this is a hollow victory. The fact that the K of C had to be shamed into withdrawing is embarrassing.
Sorry!
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Arizona_Mike
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For that matter, when was the last time you heard someone outside the Church refer to February 14 as “Saint” Valentine’s Day?Frankly I’m surprised Boston hasn’t been sued by an anti-religious organization for having a Saint Patrick’s Day parade.
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Arizona_Mike
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Neither is “white” nor “black,” for that matter. “Race” is a spurious concept in science, that didn’t even exist until late in our history., that has been adopted as part of culture. We have ethnicity, we don’t have race.“Irish” isn’t a race.
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Arizona_Mike
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Amen to that, Denise.Quote from KoC article in OP:
“Because the parade has become political and divisive, and because of the misrepresentation of our motive for participating, we will not be marching in this year’s parade. Instead we invite Catholics to join us in prayer to celebrate St. Patrick during the hours of the parade.”
I hope that the Knights will reflect upon the life of St. Patrick, and what he stood for. St. Patrick worked tirelessly to convert the Irish pagans, to ransom captives (slaves) of the pagans, and to start churches. He risked his life in these efforts. St. Patrick did not promote or support homosexuality, or same-sex unions. Rather, he cared about the salvation of souls, and as such, taught the Truths of the Catholic faith whenever and whenever he could do so.
Good ways to honor St. Patrick:
- Volunteer to assist one of the charities working against the sexual trafficking of young women, which St. Patrick fought against. The Catholic Social Services office in each state often has a program (here in Phoenix it’s Dignity House, which is one of the oldest American non-profits fighting against the sexual trafficking of men and women.
- Pray and go to Mass.
- Evangelize, like St. Patrick did to the pagans.
- Celebrate the best aspects of Irish culture - go to a cultural festival and watch kids line dancing, enjoy the pleasures of food that has been boiled until it’s almost a paste (j/k), listen to Irish bagpipers. At home, read some good Irish literature (there’s a lot) or watch “The Quiet Man” on TV.
Maybe hold their own Catholic parade for any parishes in the area that want an alternative to the parade - march with the priests and sisters with a cross at the forefront of the parade, have a banner for a group marching from each parish, sing holy songs.
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edwest2
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Yes. This was common in the past. We had some banners representing lay religious groups. I think putting the focus on the Catholic Saint part with another parade as you suggested would be wonderful.Amen to that, Denise.
Good ways to honor St. Patrick:
It’s very countercultural, but I’d like to see the Boston KoC go out and volunteer to help on March 17 for a shelter for trafficked girls and boys, and collect and donate the items they need. And then go out in the streets around the increasingly pagan official parade and evangelize.
- Volunteer to assist one of the charities working against the sexual trafficking of young women, which St. Patrick fought against. The Catholic Social Services office in each state often has a program (here in Phoenix it’s Dignity House, which is one of the oldest American non-profits fighting against the sexual trafficking of men and women.
- Pray and go to Mass.
- Evangelize, like St. Patrick did to the pagans.
- Celebrate the best aspects of Irish culture - go to a cultural festival and watch kids line dancing, enjoy the pleasures of food that has been boiled until it’s almost a paste (j/k), listen to Irish bagpipers. At home, read some good Irish literature (there’s a lot) or watch “The Quiet Man” on TV.
Maybe hold their own Catholic parade for any parishes in the area that want an alternative to the parade - march with the priests and sisters with a cross at the forefront of the parade, have a banner for a group marching from each parish, sing holy songs.
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ProVobis
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More like arrogance. IMOWhen you think your nationality is better than others, it is racism.
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anthony022071
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youtube.com/watch?v=uOqd-Q39Snc&feature=youtu.be
The Leaving of Boston (The Leaving of Liverpool) performed by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,Sisters of St. Patrick.
“Fare thee well, Saint Patrick’s Day Parade,
South Boston, fare thee well!
We are standing for our Catholic Faith,
And the Saint that we love so well.”
The Leaving of Boston (The Leaving of Liverpool) performed by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,Sisters of St. Patrick.
“Fare thee well, Saint Patrick’s Day Parade,
South Boston, fare thee well!
We are standing for our Catholic Faith,
And the Saint that we love so well.”
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estesbob
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The bumper sticker you are referring to is not racist.It is a statement of fact about the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame. Ask North Carolina. They found out about it last night.I, a lifelong Bostonian wish there were no parade nor St. Patrick’s Day celebration at all.
The day should be celebrated with a Mass and prayers only. I am tired of people using this as an excuse to get drunk. I am tired of seeing bumper stickers with the saying “God made the Irish Number 1”. To me that is racism.
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gam197
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The parade was very important to the Irish in Boston because remember there were “Irish Need Apply” placed in windows and the Irish were literally knocked off the streets.When you think your nationality is better than others, it is racism.
The parade help them to fight the prejudices against them because of their religion.and possibly ethnicity.
In the Northeast, there are many parades. In Providence, the street lines are regularly changed in colors to reflect the parades,Dominican Republican and Puerto Rican parades to name a few. One of the biggest festivals is the Chinese Dragon Boat Races which everyone loves.
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gam197
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Saint Patrick was the focus of the parade and still is to a degree but once they got so big, sponsors(money) were needed for these parades and when companies like Guinness, Heineken and Sam Adams are involved, they set some of the rules.Yes. This was common in the past. We had some banners representing lay religious groups. I think putting the focus on the Catholic Saint part with another parade as you suggested would be wonderful.
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Tarpeian_Rock
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I think interpreting pride in one’s ancestry - especially in the setting of a single annual celebration - and trotting-out that overused accusation of “racism” - in the end does far more harm than good in terms of social harmony. The increasing tide of thin-skinnedism, in place of what used to be an ethic of good-naturedly poking fun at each other, is one of the most troubling aspects of Political Correctness.When you think your nationality is better than others, it is racism.
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exnihilo
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No need to apologize. We have resisted secularism but we are starting to lose the battle. As the South has become more urban it has become more secularized.My apologies to you and the other poster for making my analogy in the South! I often wish I lived there, partly because of the horrible winters where I am, but mostly because the South has tended to resist the national flood of secularism fairly well.
The winters are better but the long, hot, humid summer isn’t so great. Thank God for air condition.
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Blue_Goose
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Don’t worry. We have pretty thick skins down here and I personally am very easy going.My apologies to you and the other poster for making my analogy in the South! I often wish I lived there, partly because of the horrible winters where I am, but mostly because the South has tended to resist the national flood of secularism fairly well.
Sorry!
Peace be with you.
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ARSpade
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That’s nationalism, not racism.When you think your
nationality is better than others, it is racism.
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Mac_Murchaidh
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This is good news, but I echo the sentiment expressed by another poster. It is a shame that the Knights had to be pressured into withdrawing.
Race is a very broad term. Historically Irish writers whether politicians or literary figures—and Irish history had a habit of turning both into the other—would speak of an Irish race. The English would speak of an Irish race, and an English (or Saxon) race. There was a Polish race. There was a French race, a German race and an Italian race. Historically, race was simply another word for ethnicity, and it certainly rolls off the tongue. It’s different within America, due to the unique social conditions and history of race relations. But even when the Irish were first emigrating to America in large numbers, they were viewed as the Irish race, different from the WASP race who preceded them.“Irish” isn’t a race.
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estesbob
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I would like to point out, again, that the “God made the Irish #1” is referring to the Notre Dame Football team-not the Irish people. Have we totally lost our sense of humor?
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gracepoole
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I would **seriously **advise against using historical conceptions of race to employ this term today…Race is a very broad term. Historically Irish writers whether politicians or literary figures—and Irish history had a habit of turning both into the other—would speak of an Irish race. The English would speak of an Irish race, and an English (or Saxon) race. There was a Polish race. There was a French race, a German race and an Italian race. Historically, race was simply another word for ethnicity, and it certainly rolls off the tongue. It’s different within America, due to the unique social conditions and history of race relations. But even when the Irish were first emigrating to America in large numbers, they were viewed as the Irish race, different from the WASP race who preceded them.
Amen. Worth the repetition.I would like to point out, again, that the “God made the Irish #1” is referring to the Notre Dame Football team-not the Irish people. Have we totally lost our sense of humor?
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Mac_Murchaidh
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But it is not solely a historical conception to speak of an Irish race.I would **seriously **advise against using historical conceptions of race to employ this term today…
“In valley green, on towering crag,
Our fathers fought before us,
And conquered 'neath the same old flag
That’s proudly floating o’er us.
We’re children of a fighting race,
That never yet has known disgrace,
And as we march, the foe to face,
We’ll chant a soldier’s song.”
This is from one of the verses of the Irish national anthem. The word race is still popularly used in English speaking regions of Europe to simply mean ethnicity, nationality, or family. I would rather advise you against imposing the narrow sentiments of America on other cultures and languages.
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