Knights Templar and the Vatican

[Lance]

There are no "heirs"of the Knights Templar. The order was dissolved. Two orders from the Crusades remain: The Order of the Holy Sepulchre and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

Plus they were monks. How could they have heirs?

 

[RLT]

There are no "heirs"of the Knights Templar. The order was dissolved. Two orders from the Crusades remain: The Order of the Holy Sepulchre and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

I think the Teutonic and some of the spanish orders still exist in the capacity of charitable and noble oranizations.

Also a neo-Templar order backed by the Holy See exist. I think they are based in France and claim no ties to the originals.

 

[thomasf]

The Pope lives in the Vatican. The Vatican is its own nation. How exactly will a court in Spain, if it does side with the Templars, enforce a ruling against the Pope? This is nothing but a publicity stunt.

 

[sidonius]

I think the Teutonic and some of the spanish orders still exist in the capacity of charitable and noble oranizations.

Also a neo-Templar order backed by the Holy See exist. I think they are based in France and claim no ties to the originals.

I stand corrected. The Teutonic Order does exist, but as a religious order not an order of chivalry. I believe you are right concerning certain Spanish orders, but I do not know if they originated in the Crusades. Will check my old issues of The Monarchist from the mid 70s, where I think there is an article. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut,

 

[HollyDolly]

I think I would be suspicious about the authenticity of this group which is suing for so much money.

I would be too. Let’s suppose this happend to the Teutonic Knights, instead of the Templars. The Teutonic knights still exist as a strictly religious community in Germany and Austria.

So as true direct heirs of the ancient order,they would have a legitament right to sue in the courts. These people are phonies.
We don’t really know that much about what happend to them.
Many may have returned to civilian life,others may have banded together and founded new orders of knights or joined communities like the Teutonic knights.I believe in Spain and Portugal, the Templars just changed the name of their community. They i understand were not harrased by their kings, unlike the ones in France.
I found out quite by accident,the Templars were in Germany too.
Many of them might have joined the Teutonic Knights.
I wish I could find out more about the Templars in Germany,especially since my father’s relatives there have long been invovled in the German Army.
Yeah these guys just see dollar signs that’s all.

 

[RLT]

After the order was dissolved Templar property was dispersed among the remaining orders and the Templars that reconciled with the Church remained in the Templar’s preceptories or went to other convents and monasteries with the ones that could not adjust from military to monastic life returning to the secular world. They recieved a pension pad from the Templar’s resources. Pope John XXII tried to keep them in religious life.

If there are any true ‘heirs’ to the Templars they won’t be found in these peoples organization or any other calling thethe order was dissolved Templar property was dispersed among the remaining orders and the Templars that reconciled with the Church remained in the Templar’s preceptories or went to other convents and monasteries with the ones that could not adjust from military to monastic life returning to the secular world. They recieved a pension pad from the Templar’s resources. Pope Jon XXII tried to keep them in religious life.

If there are any true ‘heirs’ to the Templars they won’t be found in these peoples organization or any other calling thmselves Knights Templars.

 

[st_julie]

Just wanted to mention that Reynald was not a Templar Knight,

 

[OriginalJS]

In plain English, the King of France wanted the Knights’ property, but he couldn’t take it from a pontifical order. So, he ordered the Pope to disband the Knights, the Pope complied, and the King then had many of the Knights slaughtered and took the property he wanted. Seems to me any suit should be against the French government not the Church. In the early 14th Century the Pope couldn’t resist the King of France.

Before you sneer at this lawsuit, recall that Spain has adopted the doctrine of “universal competence” which allows its courts to try certain criminal cases no matter where the offences occur; it isn’t to big a jump to civil cases as well.

 

[OriginalJS]

RLT that Knight “Semper Fidelis Fidei Defensor” presents a scary, if not terrifying, image that fits right into the brutal state of European social realities of the 14th century when the Knights Templar were slaughtered and some burned at the stake.

 

[Ana]

In plain English, the King of France wanted the Knights’ property, but he couldn’t take it from a pontifical order. So, he ordered the Pope to disband the Knights, the Pope complied, and the King then had many of the Knights slaughtered and took the property he wanted. Seems to me any suit should be against the French government not the Church. In the early 14th Century the Pope couldn’t resist the King of France.

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Why couldn’t the Pope resist the King of France?

 

[Miles_Mariae]

Before you sneer at this lawsuit, recall that Spain has adopted the doctrine of “universal competence”

They’ll want some of that competence in their economy and military before they try to enforce that doctrine.

Oh no he didn’t

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Thank heavens that this is not happening in the USA. The ACLU and the liberal press would be all over it.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[tqualey]

Hi, st julie,

Just wanted to mention that Reynald was not a Templar Knight,

I stand corrected. My apologies to the List and the Templars for this error…

It apears he was a knight, but not of a particular order - at least, I was not able to find a particular group he claimed - and that claimed him.

God bless