Knights Templar will end priest shortage

  • Thread starter Thread starter Madaglan
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
M

Madaglan

Guest
I think it would be totally awesome if the pope ressurrected the Knights Templar order. I think that in today’s world we need an order that is very manly and yet devoted to the Catholic cause.

I’ve always had a large degree of respect for the Templars, and I feel bad that they were unjustly persecuted and repressed by the pope, for false claims of demon worship. However, I think that now is the time to revive them, so that we might upheld the Unam Sanctam of the Church, and restore the world to the Christianity of the Middle Ages. Haha…just kidding. But who is with me that the Knights Templar should be restored? 😃

P.S. I don’t support Baphomet
 
40.png
Madaglan:
I think it would be totally awesome if the pope ressurrected the Knights Templar order. I think that in today’s world we need an order that is very manly and yet devoted to the Catholic cause.

I’ve always had a large degree of respect for the Templars, and I feel bad that they were unjustly persecuted and repressed by the pope, for false claims of demon worship. However, I think that now is the time to revive them, so that we might upheld the Unam Sanctam of the Church, and restore the world to the Christianity of the Middle Ages. Haha…just kidding. But who is with me that the Knights Templar should be restored? 😃

P.S. I don’t support Baphomet
Click to expand...
There already exist such orders today.One of them is the Ordo Militiae Templi. SEE HERE
 
The only difference between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry is that the Knights Templar tend to favor Christianity. The Knights Templar is an offshoot of York Rite Freemasonry. It may have noble beginnings, but it’s everything but noble now.
 
Check out the Knights Hospitaller. They’re still around…

[www.(name removed by moderator).org](www.(name removed by moderator).org)

Hard to join though! Check out the requirements…
 
The Knights of Malta and the Knights of the Holy Sepeclure still exist and are honorable organizations. These knightly orders now have both male and female members.

The Knights Templar were liquidated by Pope Clement in 1312 after their investigation by the Inquisition. In 1314, the sentence against their leaders was carried out with them being either burned at the stake or imprisioned for life.

The Teutonic Knights were greatly reduced by the Reformation to a few members in Austria. Since 1929, in spirit with the new Republic, they have only accepted priests as members of the order, of which today there are about 40. The last person made a Teutonic lay knight died in 1970.

The Order of St. George is limited largely to members of the Wittlebach family.

Membership in these orders requires proof of royal or noble blood. A modern innovation, however, has been to relax this requirement in nations without a nobility (that would be the good ol’ USA!).
 
**Weren’t the Knights Templar repeatedly condemned and banned in every country and by several Popes for their anti-Catholic heretical beliefs? Who would want such a rotten group in the already confused novus ordo church? Does not make any sense.
Code: 
I vote "no!"...keep them away from the Catholic Church.
we already have enough problems.

Jesse Jr.**
 
40.png
katherine2:
The Knights Templar were liquidated by Pope Clement in 1312 after their investigation by the Inquisition. In 1314, the sentence against their leaders was carried out with them being either burned at the stake or imprisioned for life.
Click to expand...
Just a factual nuance - no Inquisition existed in 1312. There were papal and diocesan inquisitors, but nothing at all like an organized effort at rooting out heresy. The first institutional Inquisition established was the Spanish Inquisition, created in 1478 and papally approved in 1480. Interestingly, it was an organ of the Spanish crown, not of the Church. The Roman Inquisition, the only other institution of the type, followed in (I believe) 1542 and persists today in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
 
The Knights templar is a masonic organization and nothing more. Therefore, they are an enemy to the Faith and an enemy to God. The Knights of Malta are not the same thing.
 
Andreas Hofer:
Just a factual nuance - no Inquisition existed in 1312. There were papal and diocesan inquisitors, but nothing at all like an organized effort at rooting out heresy. The first institutional Inquisition established was the Spanish Inquisition, created in 1478 and papally approved in 1480. Interestingly, it was an organ of the Spanish crown, not of the Church. The Roman Inquisition, the only other institution of the type, followed in (I believe) 1542 and persists today in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
Click to expand...
Hmmm, I think you are right based on things I have read but can’t locate right now. But another source tells me it was the French Inquistion that investigated and condemed the Templars in 1312. (The Monks of War, Desmond Steward, Penguin Books, 1972). A puzzlement.

It seems the Templars also engaged in a persecution against the French Jews. With their suppression, their property was given to the Knights of Malta.
 
I saw a special a few months ago on the BBC, over here in Europe, some guy dressed up in one of their funky Knights of Templar uniforms claiming they all drank from the “skull of Jesus” some potent drink. He was as serious as could be about it.

The BBC commentator made him repeat what he said…and the Knight of Templar said it again without a moment’s hesitation. I don’t think are a good bunch. But if they were to enter the Catholic Church maybe they could destroy the novus ordo…and that would benefit everyone.

Jesse Jr.😉
 
40.png
katherine2:
Hmmm, I think you are right based on things I have read but can’t locate right now. But another source tells me it was the French Inquistion that investigated and condemed the Templars in 1312. (The Monks of War, Desmond Steward, Penguin Books, 1972). A puzzlement.
Click to expand...
That’s probably just inaccurate language, or else it predates our current understanding of the Inquisition. Check out The Suppression of Heresy in Medieval Germany. It’s dry, as it’s intended more for the academy, but does a good job of sketching the provisional nature of medieval inquisitorial practices.
 
Seems to be a lot of misconceptions of the Poor Knights of the Temple of Solomon or Knights Templar.

They were a military order during the crusades. There job was to protect the pilgrims in the Holy Lands. They also helped the Kingdom of Jerusalem defend itself.

As the Church lost the Holy Lands they changed their role to be mostly a financial institution. They became bankers in a way.

They were a monastic order that followed a rule created for them by Bernard of Clairvaux, the founder of the Cistercian Order.

The King of France was jealous of their financial empire and plotted against them. He used his power with the Pope and had the order eliminated.

The Masons claim that their foundation is from the Templars but this is a lie.

I do not see how the restoration of this order would do anyting to end the priest shortage as it is a religious order and the priest shortage is really affecting the diocese. Unless you think that bishops would want to turn over many of the parishes to religious orders.

I would like to hear more from Madaglan on why this would do it.
 
david is right. Anyone running around nowdays calling themselves the Kngiths Templar have no connection to the historic group. As far as solving the priest shortage, again since their rule called for knights to have noble blood, it would seem to be a limited operation if revivied under the former rule.
 
Originally Quoted by ByzCath:

I do not see how the restoration of this order would do anyting to end the priest shortage as it is a religious order and the priest shortage is really affecting the diocese. Unless you think that bishops would want to turn over many of the parishes to religious orders.

I would like to hear more from Madaglan on why this would do it.
Click to expand...
I was being facetious when I said that brining back the Knights Templar would end the priest shortage. However, if perchance the Muslims ever invade Europe again, and the Templars were once again brought back as a military order, I’m sure that many young men would join in order to valiantly defend Christianity and lay waste to the Muslims.

Anyhow, you might be suprised to learn that many individuals of the religious orders are being stationed as parish priests. I’m pretty sure there are a few in my diocese, and I know a few weeks ago I heard of some other religious order men who acted as parish priests for a diocese when there weren’t enough diocesean priests to go around. I’m pretty sure it was the Jesuits. 🙂
 
40.png
Madaglan:
However, if perchance the Muslims ever invade Europe again, and the Templars were once again brought back as a military order, I’m sure that many young men would join in order to valiantly defend Christianity and lay waste to the Muslims.
Click to expand...
I don’t think a revived order following the Templar rule would find very many young men joining. The number of young men with the required noble or royal blood is not very great and many have renounced their titles. Those that have not, if you read the tabloids, seem to follow more of a playboy lifestyle than that of a monk-knight.
 
if perchance the Muslims ever invade Europe again, and the Templars were once again brought back as a military order, I’m sure that many young men would join in order to valiantly defend Christianity and lay waste to the Muslims.
Click to expand...
The Muslims have already re-invaded Europe, they make up a big percentage of the population in France, the Netherlands and other nations as well. More people are in attendance at the mosque on Friday afternoon than at mass on Sunday morning in France in the year 2005.

If and when the situation becomes critical, will there be a response from Christian Europeans? Of course. But its a lot more likely to come from political parties and not a new or revived religious order in 2005.
 
Where is priest shortage a problem? A number of years back, I heard it was more of a problem in the American Roman Catholic churches, and not a worldwide Catholic problem. This seemed to be a response to some Liberal American Catholics thinking that allowing priests to Marry would alleviate the problem.

Is this true about the shortage being more in America than other places? I also wonder about moral abuses in the priesthood, if they are more prevalent in America than in other countries? Or is it that, those abuses are not as frequent as some think, but the press in America gets ahold of it and trumps it up. Those who wanted for the catholic church to relax their standards really focused on this, yet in my life, I have only seen one priest with that problem, and he was removed quickly from the parish into some kind of ‘recovery sanctuary’.

Laura
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top