Know Anyone Victimized By Abortion Industry?

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Robertsxxx said:
This made me think a bit, which abotions are we discussing here: spontaneous, induced, self-induced?
For instance, I think 60 % of conceptions ends in spontaneous abortion due to various factors: for example - exercion, trauma, even stress, not getting enough of the needed food & other supplements to sustain the fruit.
Yet, smebody in this thread before mentioned that their purpose of pro-life is to save/sustain life. So shouldn’t all pregnant women be rounded up & stacked in some hospitals, not allowed to move besides what is told by the doc, & pumped with meds that would increase the survival of the conception to decrease the numbers of spontaneous or also self-induced abortions as much as possible & “save lives”?
Furthermore, even in spontaneous abortions shouldn’t women be punished? If conception=child & should posses the same rights; when women leave their kids or starve them to death, this is punished. Spontaneous abortion can be caused by various external factors: including malnutrition, injury & trauma. In other words, the women weren’t careful enough, thus killed the “child” by not providing it with all that was needed for its survival.
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Were you a survivor of a failed abortion? Not enough oxygen made it to the brain? To associate a miscarriage with a medical abortion is insensitive and very hurtful to the women who have had lost their babies by miscarriage. Do you have any dignity at all?
 
cathybramble said:
they are not mutually exclusive.
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If a pregnant woman doesn’t want a child and chooses to have an abortion, it seems we are very quick to forgive her and just as quick to blame Obama, the doctor, and the liberals for promoting murder.

There seems to be a disconnect from reality here.
 
Valke2 said:
If a pregnant woman doesn’t want a child and chooses to have an abortion, it seems we are very quick to forgive her and just as quick to blame Obama, the doctor, and the liberals for promoting murder.

There seems to be a disconnect from reality here.
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We should forgive anyone who is repetant. As Jesus said forgive a person seventy times seven. Until Obama, the doctors who perform these horrible deeds, and the liberals realize what they are doing wrong we must continue to fight. I pray that they will one day realize that they are sinning and repent. May God have mercy on your souls.
 
Lee_M said:
We should forgive anyone who is repetant. As Jesus said forgive a person seventy times seven. Until Obama, the doctors who perform these horrible deeds, and the liberals realize what they are doing wrong we must continue to fight. I pray that they will one day realize that they are sinning and repent. May God have mercy on your souls.
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Ok. So you can forgive the mother for murder. But she should still be tried for murder, yes?
 
Chris_LaRock said:
I would point out to this pro-abort that the child being aborted is being victimised.
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I never said I was pro-abort. I’m not. And I’m not pro-choice. I’m pro-life. I was trying to make a point. Please don’t call me something I’m not.
 
AHapka said:
I never said I was pro-abort. I’m not. And I’m not pro-choice. I’m pro-life. I was trying to make a point. Please don’t call me something I’m not.
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I didn’t say you were. I was telling you what you could say to the pro-abort you were conversing with.
 
Valke2 said:
Ok. So you can forgive the mother for murder. But she should still be tried for murder, yes?
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If it is made illegal, YES, try her for murder. Try the doctor for murder as well. There are already states that have laws that prosecute for the murder of the unborn.
 
Ok. While I don’t agree with your conclusion, at least it is consistent with the belief that abortion is murder.
 
Robertsxxx said:
But then should protecting yourself in self defence by illegal as well? Or getting rid of a child if it endangers the mother’s health? It’s still killing* even though it gives the opportunity for somebody else to live.
We’re getting off topic anyway.
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Children never endanger a mother’s life. Pathology can endanger her life.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
I’m posting this thread to help anyone who has been the victim of forced abortions or has been victimized by abortionists. If you know anyone who has been victimized, please help me to help them.

The Thomas More Society is a pro-life law firm that can help these victims take legal action against abortionists who victimize people. Here’s their e-mail address:

info@thomasmoresociety.org

Please give this e-mail address to anyone who needs help pursuing legal action against these killers.
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Kudos to you for posting this. I believe every single pregnant woman these days is victimized by the powerful abortion industry. She is hounded, poked and prodded, all for the legal protection of doctors who have been made to fear “wrongful life” lawsuits. If she refuses to submit to the invasive, and sometimes harmful or even sometimes-lethal (in the case of amniocentesis) tests, she is further harrassed with frightening scenarios and no consolation.

At age 37, with my second child, I found myself in this situation and was so traumatized by it that I (regretfully) submitted to a tubal ligation upon his birth. The doctor got angry with me when I told him I wanted to put off the tubal until after my son was older.
I was intimidated, being in my eighth month of pregnancy and not wanting to look for another doctor. I wish I had. I never would have gone through with it if I had waited. I wasn’t Catholic then, but I had tried to choose a pro-life doctor. He lied and told me he didn’t do abortions. I found out years after my sons were born that he did.

The statute of limitations is long past for me, but I write this as a warning to other mothers. Ask plenty of questions before you choose your Ob/gyn. And appreciate the gift of motherhood.
 
RobertLGarrett said:
Unfortunately, the baby didn’t fare so well. 😦

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when it is completely ignorant of science, it isn’t really a valid opinion IMO. A zygote is not a “clot of blood and cells,” nor is the unborn child at any stage of development. Cells which come from a human (i.e. skin cells, blood cells) are not considered human. The human itself - distinct organism with distinct DNA - should have the right to life.

“Getting rid of a child” born or unborn, if it endangers the mother’s health is illicit. Self-defense is a different matter entirely - and not the same as killing an innocent.
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AHapka said:
If you support a woman having a choice of what to do with her body, then I’m presuming you support her committing suicide should she choose to end her life and I presume you also support her selling her body to make money if she so chooses.

Please let me know what you think, I find it surprising many people (not sure if you are one) who support a woman doing what she wants to do with her body not supporting suicide or prostitution, for some reason…even though it’s her body.
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Good question. I presume people who support a woman’s choice because it’s her body also support legalizing all drugs.
 
Cathy said:
Kudos to you for posting this. I believe every single pregnant woman these days is victimized by the powerful abortion industry. She is hounded, poked and prodded, all for the legal protection of doctors who have been made to fear “wrongful life” lawsuits. If she refuses to submit to the invasive, and sometimes harmful or even sometimes-lethal (in the case of amniocentesis) tests, she is further harrassed with frightening scenarios and no consolation.

At age 37, with my second child, I found myself in this situation and was so traumatized by it that I (regretfully) submitted to a tubal ligation upon his birth. The doctor got angry with me when I told him I wanted to put off the tubal until after my son was older.
I was intimidated, being in my eighth month of pregnancy and not wanting to look for another doctor. I wish I had. I never would have gone through with it if I had waited. I wasn’t Catholic then, but I had tried to choose a pro-life doctor. He lied and told me he didn’t do abortions. I found out years after my sons were born that he did.

The statute of limitations is long past for me, but I write this as a warning to other mothers. Ask plenty of questions before you choose your Ob/gyn. And appreciate the gift of motherhood.
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Report him to the medical board.
 
Robertsxxx said:
This made me think a bit, which abotions are we discussing here: spontaneous, induced, self-induced?
For instance, I think 60 % of conceptions ends in spontaneous abortion due to various factors: for example - exercion, trauma, even stress, not getting enough of the needed food & other supplements to sustain the fruit.
Yet, smebody in this thread before mentioned that their purpose of pro-life is to save/sustain life. So shouldn’t all pregnant women be rounded up & stacked in some hospitals, not allowed to move besides what is told by the doc, & pumped with meds that would increase the survival of the conception to decrease the numbers of spontaneous or also self-induced abortions as much as possible & “save lives”?
Furthermore, even in spontaneous abortions shouldn’t women be punished? If conception=child & should posses the same rights; when women leave their kids or starve them to death, this is punished. Spontaneous abortion can be caused by various external factors: including malnutrition, injury & trauma. In other words, the women weren’t careful enough, thus killed the “child” by not providing it with all that was needed for its survival.
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No, spontaneous abortions should not be punished.
Neither should women who procure induced abortions, because they are victims of their boyfriends/families/lying abortionists.
Forgive me, but – have you been living in a box somewhere?
 
I don’t have time to read all the posts here. I just want to say that I had been infertile for several years of trying. One day I was in severe pain and went to the ER. I found out I was pregnant. They did an ultrasound and I was about 6 weeks. I could hear the baby’s heartbeat! She only looked like a little peanut, but it was obvious this was a little life in there! It was a difficult pregnancy, so I had another ultrasound at 13 weeks. I COULD COUNT HER FINGERS AND TOES!! I wish that we could at least make an ultrasound manditory before an abortion. How many might change their minds? Of course, the ultimate BEST situation would be the END of ALL abortions.
Anyway, I have extreme guilt, nonetheless because for a few years after I was first married, I used contraception (the pill). The doctors never told me exactly how it worked. I had no idea I could have been aborting fetuses at the time! Recently, before I started coming back to the Church, I got an IUC (intrauterine contraceptive, not just an IUD) I had moral reservations about an IUD, but the doc told me the IUC worked to prevent conception, not abort it. I later found out that it ALSO CAUSES ABORTION in some cases! I’ve been abstaining to prevent doing any further possible harm, and I’m having it removed this week. Not only is it morally wrong, but I have severe side-effects to it. Pray for me, please! I pray that my infertility was pre-existing and prevented any fetuses from being aborted during my use of contraceptives. I feel like I should have known better though. I consider myself pretty smart, and therefore it seems like it was there inffront of my face all the time. I had that belief another person mentioned on here before though, that it was just a [gulp…awful thought!] mass of cells and not really a life, so to speak. Now that I have read the Catholic Church’s teachings thoroughly, I understand the fault in my logic. It’s the worst feeling of guilt, and I don’t know if even confession can make a difference at this point. I just want other women who may be thinking of contraception to read this, so they do not make the same mistake. Any men who think they should pressure or expect their wives or gf’s to take this stuff should seriously consider this too. Heart attacks, stroke, blood clots, headaches…just the tip of the iceberg, but women are subjecting themselves to this under the pressure of docs and their husbands. My doc looked at me like I had 3 heads when I told him, no thanks, no more contraceptives.
 
Robertsxxx said:
Why?
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Your question is nonsensical. An abortion is the direct killing of an innocent human being. A miscarriage, what you are calling a “spontaneous abortion” is a human being who dies of natural causes.

It would be like asking if someone who dies naturally in their sleep has committed suicide.
 
RobertLGarrett said:
Your question is nonsensical. An abortion is the direct killing of an innocent human being. A miscarriage, what you are calling a “spontaneous abortion” is a human being who dies of natural causes.

It would be like asking if someone who dies naturally in their sleep has committed suicide.
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But it’s not somebody dying naturally. It’s a woman specifically knowing (I’m talking about cases when they are already aware of being pregnant) & being irresponsible enough to not take care of themselves enough+ the baby, which, even though they might not have wanted it, caused a spontaneous abortion.
 
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