Know Anyone Victimized By Abortion Industry?

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captbackfire said:
It’s been almost 40 years. So if you believe I’m not that detached, when would it be advisable for me to develop and foster any expectation of sadness and grief?

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By “THAT detatched” I meant “desensitized out of the norm”, “too unemotional (compared to the norm) about what happened”.
 
awantz said:
My ex-husband threatened to kill me if I didn’t have an abortion. As a result I had an abortion in July of 2001. Do you think it would be to late to take action against him for this?
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You can always file a civil suit against him for pain and suffering, as well as the abortion mill where it took place at.
 
captbackfire said:
I had an abortion in the very early 1970s. I went to confession, spoke with the priest, was given penance, performed my penance and continued on with the business of living as best I could. I have no emotional connection to an embryo or a fetus. I have not suffered angst because of my choice. I am not delusional.

Not all women get that boomerang effect from abortion; many, perhaps most, do, but there are some who simply did not and do not grieve over a loss. It does not feel like a loss. I was not pressured to have an abortion; this was an act taken of my own free will. I do still have conversations with God about my actions. I never repeated my actions. I suffered a couple of spontaneous abortions thereafter, and neither of these was particularly grievous, either.

This is my life. It’s a picture of my life. I am grateful to God to be emotionally detached. Yes, I have been in and out of therapy for decades, for many issues, but not for the abortion. I was detached and aloof in my preteens and in my teens, long before the procedure took place. It feels rather like a manageable sociopathy, like living at a distance, around the edges of drama and calamity. I don’t mind living like this, and I respect and honor women who have had a range of feelings and thoughts about their abortions. I don’t diminish them in the least. But we are not all like that. Some of us jump in with both feet, some of us just get a toe wet and walk away.

Interesting, in an academic sort of way, like pinning a butterfly to a board for study and not finding the colors and patterns breathtaking.

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How can you be repentant and emotionally detatched at the same time?

The fact of the matter is if I were to kill a pregnant woman, I would be charged with TWO counts of homicide.
 
seekdatruth said:
I’m sorry, do you have a point you would like to make to me personally with these quotes?
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Think about it. If abortionists can admit life begins at conception and that abortion is murder, why can’t the rest of us?
 
Chris_LaRock said:
How can you be repentant and emotionally detatched at the same time?
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Interesting point, but this is the fact. The decision was automatic, I knew the Church found my action to be sinful; I spoke to the priest and received absolution, said my penance prayers. It was a practical matter to resolve never to repeat the act and to move forward.

So are you proposing that a confession which addresses this particular act without tears and melodrama and angst is dishonest or illegitimate? Are women expected to carry a burden ever afterward? Where in there can I find room for healing?

capt
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Think about it. If abortionists can admit life begins at conception and that abortion is murder, why can’t the rest of us?
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If a christian, ever, can be made to denounce their faith, beliefs & embrace reason & reality, why can’t the rest of you?

Making somebody say something doesn’t make it true.
 
captbackfire said:
Interesting point, but this is the fact. The decision was automatic, I knew the Church found my action to be sinful; I spoke to the priest and received absolution, said my penance prayers. It was a practical matter to resolve never to repeat the act and to move forward.

So are you proposing that a confession which addresses this particular act without tears and melodrama and angst is dishonest or illegitimate? Are women expected to carry a burden ever afterward? Where in there can I find room for healing?

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I’m saying that repentance is useless unless you mean it. Just going through the motions without being sorry for your sin isn’t enough.

The fact of the matter is you ended the life of your own child, and aren’t sorry for it. No offense, but I feel it’s important to be honest with you.
 
Robertsxxx said:
If a christian, ever, can be made to denounce their faith, beliefs & embrace reason & reality, why can’t the rest of you?

Making somebody say something doesn’t make it true.
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I’m sorry, but I don’t get your reply…the post to which you were replying made the comment that “an abortionist admits that life begins at conception, why can’t the rest of us”. Because they are physicians, at some point in their education and training as an OB/GYN, they have viewed an in vitro fertilization under the microscope and were able to see that life does begin at conception. That is a medical fact. So, what are you trying to say? Can you use another analogy? Perhaps one that is more relevent to the previous posting?
 
captbackfire said:
I had an abortion in the very early 1970s. I went to confession, spoke with the priest, was given penance, performed my penance and continued on with the business of living as best I could. I have no emotional connection to an embryo or a fetus. I have not suffered angst because of my choice. I am not delusional.
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I’ve heard that the fallout from abortion won’t manifest itself for years, sometimes decades.

When yours catches up with you, I hope you’ll check out www.hopeafterabortion.com.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
I’m saying that repentance is useless unless you mean it. Just going through the motions without being sorry for your sin isn’t enough.

The fact of the matter is you ended the life of your own child, and aren’t sorry for it. No offense, but I feel it’s important to be honest with you.
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NO OFFENSE. RIGHT.

This is an event that took place decades ago. My remorse was judged adequate and sincere by my confessor. You, sir, are in absolutely NO POSITION to place judgment on me, my thoughts, my feelings, my memories, ANY OF IT.

Sorry, man . . . just wanted to be honest with you . . .

Unbelievable.

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captbackfire said:
NO OFFENSE. RIGHT.

This is an event that took place decades ago. My remorse was judged adequate and sincere by my confessor. You, sir, are in absolutely NO POSITION to place judgment on me, my thoughts, my feelings, my memories, ANY OF IT.

Sorry, man . . . just wanted to be honest with you . . .

Unbelievable.

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I’m just going by what you posted. You said you don’t have any remorse or any feelings of guilt. But you went through the motions of confession and penance, because that’s what the church expects it’s people to do. If I have the wrong impression, it’s because of what you yourself have posted.

Suppose I comitted a crime, and didn’t feel sorry for it. I tell the judge I’m sorry anyway and get a lighter sentence. Would I be justified?
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Think about it. If abortionists can admit life begins at conception and that abortion is murder, why can’t the rest of us?
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That must be a rare breed that can proceed with abortion knowing the full weight of their choice. I truly think I was mislead by popular culture and secular law. Not to say I am totally unaccountable for my actions. The Church had failed me, because like everyone else in my childhood, she had let me down when I needed her most. I didn’t trust anything that came from the mouth of the Catholic or any other church. It wasn’t until I had been completely used up and tossed aside like garbage by a lifestyle and culture without God, that I could turn back and listen to what the Church was saying. Everywhere I turned God had written something there on the wall, like graffiti, but it was like those kids or gangs that “tag” and no one really knows what the heck it was all about, until you run up against them in the wrong neighborhood, or hear about it on the evening news. Not to say God is an outlaw! It’s just that it wasn’t until he’d hit me with almost anything he could hit me with that I could really** hear** him. I consider it still his Grace because a lot worse could have happened before I finally got the clue. Yeah, I ramble, but basically, not all post-abortion or post-ABC or post-pro-choice–whatever you want to label them as–are the same. Get it??
 
seekdatruth said:
That must be a rare breed that can proceed with abortion knowing the full weight of their choice. I truly think I was mislead by popular culture and secular law. Not to say I am totally unaccountable for my actions. The Church had failed me, because like everyone else in my childhood, she had let me down when I needed her most. I didn’t trust anything that came from the mouth of the Catholic or any other church. It wasn’t until I had been completely used up and tossed aside like garbage by a lifestyle and culture without God, that I could turn back and listen to what the Church was saying. Everywhere I turned God had written something there on the wall, like graffiti, but it was like those kids or gangs that “tag” and no one really knows what the heck it was all about, until you run up against them in the wrong neighborhood, or hear about it on the evening news. Not to say God is an outlaw! It’s just that it wasn’t until he’d hit me with almost anything he could hit me with that I could really** hear** him. I consider it still his Grace because a lot worse could have happened before I finally got the clue. Yeah, I ramble, but basically, not all post-abortion or post-ABC or post-pro-choice–whatever you want to label them as–are the same. Get it??
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A lot of these abortionists are sadistic and get pleasure from inflicting pain and death. Some have even gone as far as to say they like being able to ‘play God’.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
A lot of these abortionists are sadistic and get pleasure from inflicting pain and death. Some have even gone as far as to say they like being able to ‘play God’.
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Very sad, but does that make all people who chose to have an abortion in their past, forever condemned?
 
maybe I should just quit this stuff. It’s all about who has the right to judge someone else. “Hey you over there, you dirty liberal, you’re a sinner!” “Hey you over here, you’re excommunicated!” “Hey you! You’re going to roast like a fat pig on Judgment Day, and I’m going to stand and laugh!” God help us.
I’m going to go throw up now.
 
seekdatruth said:
Very sad, but does that make all people who chose to have an abortion in their past, forever condemned?
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everyone who refuses to repent and dies in their sins will be condemned. Not just abortion but lying, stealing, blasphemy, ect. . .
 
Chris_LaRock said:
everyone who refuses to repent and dies in their sins will be condemned. Not just abortion but lying, stealing, blasphemy, judging others, casting the first stone, making erroneous presumptions about others’ spiritual lives, . . .
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