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Amanda Kellaway
October 04, 2003
On September 3, 2002, I was forced to have an abortion by my parents.
Even on the operating table, I sat up and said, “No, I don’t want this”. The doctor used force to jab the needle in.
Now, I struggle with depression because of the grief, and PTSD, which I will have for the rest of my life.
I will never be able to move on with my life. I don’t even want to be here anymore. The only reason I am still alive is because I know what it would do to my parents and friends.
Dr W------- of G---------- Day Surgery [details supplied] will get what’s coming to him, for killing my son.
October 04, 2003
On September 3, 2002, I was forced to have an abortion by my parents.
Even on the operating table, I sat up and said, “No, I don’t want this”. The doctor used force to jab the needle in.
Now, I struggle with depression because of the grief, and PTSD, which I will have for the rest of my life.
I will never be able to move on with my life. I don’t even want to be here anymore. The only reason I am still alive is because I know what it would do to my parents and friends.
Dr W------- of G---------- Day Surgery [details supplied] will get what’s coming to him, for killing my son.
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Jeannie
September 17, 2003
When I was 19 years, old I got married. Practically nine months to the day I gave birth to a baby boy. My marriage was really rocky, and when my son was 9 months old, we decided to separate.
After the separation, we tried to reconcile, and I became pregnant. We were still separated.
My parents were very, very upset that I was pregnant. They felt that I should have an abortion, and they told me that one day I would have more babies, but the time wasn’t right for this baby.
In those days in order to have an abortion, you had to have permission from your family doctor, a gynecologist and a psychiatrist.
I really did not want an abortion. I wanted to have the baby. In order to placate my parents, I decided to go through the procedure of seeing the three professionals.
The family doctor, a Dr. L------ C----, who had a practice on H------- Street [details supplied] in Vancouver OK’d the abortion, as did the gynecologist.
Then it was time to go to the psychiatrist. He denied it. He told me that it would bother me my entire life, that some people were cut out to have abortions, but I was not one of them.
I breathed a sigh of relief and, of course, nothing could be done much to my parents dismay!
So, I proceeded along with my pregnancy. At close to five months pregnant, I was giving my son his supper, one night, when I got terrible pain and bleeding.
I phoned my mother to come over and she took me to the hospital. Dr. C. came in, and I remember my mother standing at the end of the bed and saying, “Kick her in the stomach a few times to make sure it’s really dead!”
Dr. C. said, “The baby is already dead.”
I was so young and inexperienced I never thought to ask, “How on earth would you know that the baby is dead when you just got here, and haven’t even examined me yet?”
Anyway, he said that I had to get a D&C. So, later on, I was wheeled up to the operating room for the “procedure”.
I truly believed that the baby was dead! The really strange part is that, two weeks before this happened, I had a dream. In the dream I was in an operating room, and I was having the baby, except it was too early for the baby, and as I was being wheeled in I was telling the nurses this.
When I was being wheeled into the operating room, to have the so called D&C, the operating room was set out exactly as it was in my dream. Also the nurse was the same even though I had never seen her before in my life!
So the “procedure” was done and, the next morning, Dr. C. came in to see me. (I was still in the hospital.)
I asked him what sex the baby was, and he abruptly told me that it was too early to tell. I know now that at that gestation that baby was fully formed and, perhaps, viable. As a matter of fact, my daughter in law gave birth to a baby at 22 weeks gestation, and the baby is now a healthy happy three-year-old!
I was discharged from the hospital feeling such an emptiness. But, life went on.
I knew in my heart that it was nature’s way. I had not had an abortion… or so I thought!
Eight years ago, my mother and I were at Bingo. I don’t know what possessed her to tell me what she told me. She said, “Jeannie… do you remember when you had your miscarriage?”
I said, “Yes”
She said, “Well, the baby wasn’t really dead. Once you were under anesthetic, Dr. C. came out of the operating room and told me that the baby wasn’t really dead and asked Dad and I what we wanted him to do. We told him to abort it. If you say anything about this to anyone, I will deny it.”
I was devastated!!! All I could think about was that poor little baby inside me, curled up so secure, and that barbarian ripping him out of me! The anger is so intense!
My mother died three years ago, and I now live in Australia, and I did go on to have four more beautiful children. But, I have always felt such a loss for the poor little baby that wasn’t to be. It was bad enough that I thought I lost the baby through miscarriage, but the baby was murdered!!!
I would really like to know what Dr. C. put on the medical report… and I wonder if the baby was alive when delivered, or if the poor little thing was in pain.
I feel like contacting the college of physicians and surgeons in Vancouver and report Dr C. for doing an illegal abortion because it was indeed an illegal abortion.
I was 21 years old, and of legal age. He had no right to ask my parents what to do.
When he discovered the baby was alive, he should have just left it there!
Dr. C. would be in his seventies right now, and I’m sure he would not be practicing medicine anymore. He may even be dead, himself, for all I know.
I just feel that there hasn’t been “closure” on this issue.
September 17, 2003
When I was 19 years, old I got married. Practically nine months to the day I gave birth to a baby boy. My marriage was really rocky, and when my son was 9 months old, we decided to separate.
After the separation, we tried to reconcile, and I became pregnant. We were still separated.
My parents were very, very upset that I was pregnant. They felt that I should have an abortion, and they told me that one day I would have more babies, but the time wasn’t right for this baby.
In those days in order to have an abortion, you had to have permission from your family doctor, a gynecologist and a psychiatrist.
I really did not want an abortion. I wanted to have the baby. In order to placate my parents, I decided to go through the procedure of seeing the three professionals.
The family doctor, a Dr. L------ C----, who had a practice on H------- Street [details supplied] in Vancouver OK’d the abortion, as did the gynecologist.
Then it was time to go to the psychiatrist. He denied it. He told me that it would bother me my entire life, that some people were cut out to have abortions, but I was not one of them.
I breathed a sigh of relief and, of course, nothing could be done much to my parents dismay!
So, I proceeded along with my pregnancy. At close to five months pregnant, I was giving my son his supper, one night, when I got terrible pain and bleeding.
I phoned my mother to come over and she took me to the hospital. Dr. C. came in, and I remember my mother standing at the end of the bed and saying, “Kick her in the stomach a few times to make sure it’s really dead!”
Dr. C. said, “The baby is already dead.”
I was so young and inexperienced I never thought to ask, “How on earth would you know that the baby is dead when you just got here, and haven’t even examined me yet?”
Anyway, he said that I had to get a D&C. So, later on, I was wheeled up to the operating room for the “procedure”.
I truly believed that the baby was dead! The really strange part is that, two weeks before this happened, I had a dream. In the dream I was in an operating room, and I was having the baby, except it was too early for the baby, and as I was being wheeled in I was telling the nurses this.
When I was being wheeled into the operating room, to have the so called D&C, the operating room was set out exactly as it was in my dream. Also the nurse was the same even though I had never seen her before in my life!
So the “procedure” was done and, the next morning, Dr. C. came in to see me. (I was still in the hospital.)
I asked him what sex the baby was, and he abruptly told me that it was too early to tell. I know now that at that gestation that baby was fully formed and, perhaps, viable. As a matter of fact, my daughter in law gave birth to a baby at 22 weeks gestation, and the baby is now a healthy happy three-year-old!
I was discharged from the hospital feeling such an emptiness. But, life went on.
I knew in my heart that it was nature’s way. I had not had an abortion… or so I thought!
Eight years ago, my mother and I were at Bingo. I don’t know what possessed her to tell me what she told me. She said, “Jeannie… do you remember when you had your miscarriage?”
I said, “Yes”
She said, “Well, the baby wasn’t really dead. Once you were under anesthetic, Dr. C. came out of the operating room and told me that the baby wasn’t really dead and asked Dad and I what we wanted him to do. We told him to abort it. If you say anything about this to anyone, I will deny it.”
I was devastated!!! All I could think about was that poor little baby inside me, curled up so secure, and that barbarian ripping him out of me! The anger is so intense!
My mother died three years ago, and I now live in Australia, and I did go on to have four more beautiful children. But, I have always felt such a loss for the poor little baby that wasn’t to be. It was bad enough that I thought I lost the baby through miscarriage, but the baby was murdered!!!
I would really like to know what Dr. C. put on the medical report… and I wonder if the baby was alive when delivered, or if the poor little thing was in pain.
I feel like contacting the college of physicians and surgeons in Vancouver and report Dr C. for doing an illegal abortion because it was indeed an illegal abortion.
I was 21 years old, and of legal age. He had no right to ask my parents what to do.
When he discovered the baby was alive, he should have just left it there!
Dr. C. would be in his seventies right now, and I’m sure he would not be practicing medicine anymore. He may even be dead, himself, for all I know.
I just feel that there hasn’t been “closure” on this issue.
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Let me guess, you’re going to post ‘credit’ again?
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PART 2:
The clinic also told me that I was 14 weeks pregnant, not almost 20. They incorrectly told me that my 2-day spotting in my second month was a period. It was not. It was breakthrough bleeding, as I had continued the birth control pill. And it was the week I didn’t take the pill. Therefore, I spotted. (Why did it take her 4 months to quit taking the Pill??)
I was nearly 20 weeks pregnant, and the baby was moving inside me, turning. The uninformed clinic counselor told me my baby was not turning. To this day, I know that my baby was turning, as this is a common event at 20 weeks.
I searched for help. This was before the internet. I found nothing. I even went to a Catholic church, to find someone to take me in, but all the doors were locked. Not even the rectory was open.
(Can anyone explain this with any reason?)
I locked myself in the bathroom, at home, refusing to get the abortion. The boyfriend took the door down, from the outside, unscrewing it bit by bit, until he took it off the hinges. He was taking me to the abortion clinic whether I wanted to go, or not.
I had nowhere to go, no one to turn to. I considered the damaged fetus being unadoptable. (I had wanted to give the baby up for adoption.)
The women, at the clinic undergoing abortions, were so nonchalant. Abortion seemed like a method of birth control to them. They laughed at me because I was crying. (This is ridiculous.) I thought of ways to escape out the back door, but my boyfriend had threatened to hunt us both down and kill us. (So what? Why couldn’t she run?)
I had the abortion, and woke up laughing hysterically, as, yes, I was hysterical. The nurse slapped my face. (Patients often wake from anesthesia in tears or laughter.)
When the boyfriend-murderer got me home, he said, and I quote, “Now you know what it feels like to be hurt.” Then he laughed — what I would call a blood-chilling, evil laugh. Like that is funny, to kill someone’s baby? How ignorant. How cruel. How mentally ill. (Ignorance is not mental illness. Cruelty may be a manifestation of mental illness. Sounds to me like she just picked a loser.)
I almost died from septic poisoning from the abortion. (NO FOLLOW-UP! EXTREMELY COMMON FOR THOSE WHO WILL NOT FOLLOW DOCTORS’ ORDERS.)
I left the boyfriend. (Good thinking.)
Over the years, I had numerous surgeries, blocked tubes, etc. I never had children, as I was rendered infertile for years. When I finally got pregnant with a wonderful, loving husband, I was too old, and miscarried the little one. (You pays your money, you takes your chances.)
My advice for anyone with a forced abortion is: Do not give up. Go to the police, if necessary.
If I were to do this over, I would go to a police station for protection. And you know what? Leave the state. (I thought these guys were capable of hunting the women down and killing them no matter what.)
The more I think about it, the more I realize that he was just intimidating me. He probably would never have found me had I gone to a home for unwed mothers out of state. (EXACTLY.)
Above all, forced abortion, and threats of murder to both mother and child, are all illegal in the United States.
Remember this. I still cry myself to sleep some nights. The pain does not go away with the passage of time. It only is latent, deadened. (Sounds like therapy is in order.)
Bottom line: I just don’t believe this. I think it’s a fabrication.
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The clinic also told me that I was 14 weeks pregnant, not almost 20. They incorrectly told me that my 2-day spotting in my second month was a period. It was not. It was breakthrough bleeding, as I had continued the birth control pill. And it was the week I didn’t take the pill. Therefore, I spotted. (Why did it take her 4 months to quit taking the Pill??)
I was nearly 20 weeks pregnant, and the baby was moving inside me, turning. The uninformed clinic counselor told me my baby was not turning. To this day, I know that my baby was turning, as this is a common event at 20 weeks.
I searched for help. This was before the internet. I found nothing. I even went to a Catholic church, to find someone to take me in, but all the doors were locked. Not even the rectory was open.
(Can anyone explain this with any reason?)
I locked myself in the bathroom, at home, refusing to get the abortion. The boyfriend took the door down, from the outside, unscrewing it bit by bit, until he took it off the hinges. He was taking me to the abortion clinic whether I wanted to go, or not.
I had nowhere to go, no one to turn to. I considered the damaged fetus being unadoptable. (I had wanted to give the baby up for adoption.)
The women, at the clinic undergoing abortions, were so nonchalant. Abortion seemed like a method of birth control to them. They laughed at me because I was crying. (This is ridiculous.) I thought of ways to escape out the back door, but my boyfriend had threatened to hunt us both down and kill us. (So what? Why couldn’t she run?)
I had the abortion, and woke up laughing hysterically, as, yes, I was hysterical. The nurse slapped my face. (Patients often wake from anesthesia in tears or laughter.)
When the boyfriend-murderer got me home, he said, and I quote, “Now you know what it feels like to be hurt.” Then he laughed — what I would call a blood-chilling, evil laugh. Like that is funny, to kill someone’s baby? How ignorant. How cruel. How mentally ill. (Ignorance is not mental illness. Cruelty may be a manifestation of mental illness. Sounds to me like she just picked a loser.)
I almost died from septic poisoning from the abortion. (NO FOLLOW-UP! EXTREMELY COMMON FOR THOSE WHO WILL NOT FOLLOW DOCTORS’ ORDERS.)
I left the boyfriend. (Good thinking.)
Over the years, I had numerous surgeries, blocked tubes, etc. I never had children, as I was rendered infertile for years. When I finally got pregnant with a wonderful, loving husband, I was too old, and miscarried the little one. (You pays your money, you takes your chances.)
My advice for anyone with a forced abortion is: Do not give up. Go to the police, if necessary.
If I were to do this over, I would go to a police station for protection. And you know what? Leave the state. (I thought these guys were capable of hunting the women down and killing them no matter what.)
The more I think about it, the more I realize that he was just intimidating me. He probably would never have found me had I gone to a home for unwed mothers out of state. (EXACTLY.)
Above all, forced abortion, and threats of murder to both mother and child, are all illegal in the United States.
Remember this. I still cry myself to sleep some nights. The pain does not go away with the passage of time. It only is latent, deadened. (Sounds like therapy is in order.)
Bottom line: I just don’t believe this. I think it’s a fabrication.
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Sorry, no such site. And I’m guessing that if it were a legit site, it would not be a secular one.
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Sorry, but those rights apply to abortion. You are free to believe that abortion is murder. You’re also free to believe that I and 50 million other women are murderers.
Where’s the jail that can hold us all? Do you want your taxes to shoot up just to house us?
Do you understand that that kind of rhetoric actually keeps women imprisoned in their guilt and shame, crushes their spirits and their willingness to change, and encourages them to repeat their actions through looking for love and support in non-loving relationships?
Good job.
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I’m interested in balancing the cocky rhetoric that I find here, that and the sad gullibility.
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did you miss these, captbackfire?
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I’ll go through the short story, I don’t have time now:
She couldn’t run away? Or report this to the police & file for imancipation? I mean if she wanted to have a baby, she should have expected that maybe her relatives would not support her? & she would need to fully support herself if she wanted to keep the child. Let me guess, she was expecting to stay at home, keep the baby & continue getting all the support & live comfortably?
Furthermore, how is this abuse by the abortion industry, when THE FOLKS FORCED HER
When an anastesized patient wakes up during surgery, they can say a bunch of stuff.
Ok… go figure…
They held a gun to her head? She couldn’t report that?
She couldn’t run away? Or report this to the police & file for imancipation? I mean if she wanted to have a baby, she should have expected that maybe her relatives would not support her? & she would need to fully support herself if she wanted to keep the child. Let me guess, she was expecting to stay at home, keep the baby & continue getting all the support & live comfortably?
Furthermore, how is this abuse by the abortion industry, when THE FOLKS FORCED HER
Um… did she say that BEFORE the procedure?
When an anastesized patient wakes up during surgery, they can say a bunch of stuff.
Um… the same parents that forced you to have an abortion & killed their grandchild? & the friends that did not support you?
Ok… go figure…
Um… tried blaming the parents?
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PS:
I decided to check something:
I decided to check something:
I might be wrong… But I think it’s the same one… I might be wrong though.
Huh??? That’s the same traumatized woman complaining somebody killed her son???
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**My Friends in Christ,
I will be the first to admit I am not the smartest person here, unfortunately many will agree with me on that!
Nor do I claim to be an expert on anything. Far from it. I am just a sinner who believes in God and the Holy Roman Catholic church and its
teachings.
I started replies 3 times and stopped. I had to stop and pray between tries. This is a very painful subject. There is so much pain involved however the souls of the murdered babies requiring
acknowledgment of their humanity.
May I ask that everyone just stop and do one thing. Please pray with me…
“God, Our Father, we acknowledge that we are all sinners. We admit we are in constant need your love and mercy. We ask for wisdom, understanding and Love for all the women who have had abortions. Please accept their babies into heaven and allow their mothers to seek, and obtain forgiveness and peace. Most importantly, please forgive our country for allowing the murders of
all these innocent babies. We know that no sin is too great to be forgiven, so we ask for your mercy for the mothers and our country through your son, our lord, Jesus Christ.” Amen!
IMO over 4.3 Million women in the USA were victimized by the abortion industry in the last 35 years. 1.1 babies are murdered every minute in the USA. Why? Various reasons from the
mothers. Reasons can’t equal justification. It can perhaps solicit pity, concern and understanding, but the baby has still been murdered… Of course, Profit is the abortion clinic’s main motivation.
The mothers can not be “blamed” alone! It is our sin also. We all share in their sin! Notice that I do not say “crime”. “The devil donned a judicial robe.” Fr. John Corapi (In relation to the US
Supreme Court decision in Roe vs Wade which decriminalized abortion.) Our country allows babies to be murdered for secular reasons.
What should concern all of us, when evaluating things using our individual consciences, is that our “beliefs” may be wrong! That is one reason that following the teachings of the RCC can’t be
wrong. I don’t believe that God will judge a just man, with a clean conscience, who follows what he truely knows is God’s real desire and teachings. But I am not God, so I may be wrong.
In the matter of abortion, I believe that many people are using medical facts and theory to support their beliefs or desire of when life begins. This is for personal justification for their permitting murders to occur or allow themselves to have their own baby murdered.
The question must be answered. When does life begin?
I am no doctor, But I was told that One egg is impregnated by one sperm. After they join, they start to divide. At that time the DNA has been “mixed” together. At the first division of the cell there is a “different” creation from the “host” mother or the “sperm donor” father. I ask could that be the “Let there be Light” moment in the development of that baby where God implants the soul? I am firmly convinced that is the case. As the baby develops the DNA determines blood type, hair color, sex, all the physical things. I can not believe God would allow a human to be alive for a second without a soul. I believe the soul is the “life force” when it departs life stops don’t you? Doesn’t all this seem logical to everyone? If not please tell me why not.
They say one in every 4 people suffer from mental illness. So if 3 people disagree with me, I will have to seek a mental evaluation unless 8 more do agreed with me!
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I will be the first to admit I am not the smartest person here, unfortunately many will agree with me on that!
Nor do I claim to be an expert on anything. Far from it. I am just a sinner who believes in God and the Holy Roman Catholic church and itsteachings.
I started replies 3 times and stopped. I had to stop and pray between tries. This is a very painful subject. There is so much pain involved however the souls of the murdered babies requiring
acknowledgment of their humanity.
May I ask that everyone just stop and do one thing. Please pray with me…
“God, Our Father, we acknowledge that we are all sinners. We admit we are in constant need your love and mercy. We ask for wisdom, understanding and Love for all the women who have had abortions. Please accept their babies into heaven and allow their mothers to seek, and obtain forgiveness and peace. Most importantly, please forgive our country for allowing the murders of
all these innocent babies. We know that no sin is too great to be forgiven, so we ask for your mercy for the mothers and our country through your son, our lord, Jesus Christ.” Amen!
IMO over 4.3 Million women in the USA were victimized by the abortion industry in the last 35 years. 1.1 babies are murdered every minute in the USA. Why? Various reasons from the
mothers. Reasons can’t equal justification. It can perhaps solicit pity, concern and understanding, but the baby has still been murdered… Of course, Profit is the abortion clinic’s main motivation.
The mothers can not be “blamed” alone! It is our sin also. We all share in their sin! Notice that I do not say “crime”. “The devil donned a judicial robe.” Fr. John Corapi (In relation to the US
Supreme Court decision in Roe vs Wade which decriminalized abortion.) Our country allows babies to be murdered for secular reasons.
What should concern all of us, when evaluating things using our individual consciences, is that our “beliefs” may be wrong! That is one reason that following the teachings of the RCC can’t be
wrong. I don’t believe that God will judge a just man, with a clean conscience, who follows what he truely knows is God’s real desire and teachings. But I am not God, so I may be wrong.
In the matter of abortion, I believe that many people are using medical facts and theory to support their beliefs or desire of when life begins. This is for personal justification for their permitting murders to occur or allow themselves to have their own baby murdered.
The question must be answered. When does life begin?
I am no doctor, But I was told that One egg is impregnated by one sperm. After they join, they start to divide. At that time the DNA has been “mixed” together. At the first division of the cell there is a “different” creation from the “host” mother or the “sperm donor” father. I ask could that be the “Let there be Light” moment in the development of that baby where God implants the soul? I am firmly convinced that is the case. As the baby develops the DNA determines blood type, hair color, sex, all the physical things. I can not believe God would allow a human to be alive for a second without a soul. I believe the soul is the “life force” when it departs life stops don’t you? Doesn’t all this seem logical to everyone? If not please tell me why not.
They say one in every 4 people suffer from mental illness. So if 3 people disagree with me, I will have to seek a mental evaluation unless 8 more do agreed with me!
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**My Friends in Christ,
Part Two of Two (Continued)
Of course, after that first division, the baby must continue to develop physically just as it must develop spiritually. Both growths require nourishment. Before physical birth the baby cannot normally live outside its environment, it will die. After birth, if you remove a Human outside its required environment for life, it also will die. Does that prove that neither was alive? Just because you remove the human from the live support environment can’t proved that it wasn’t human in its environment. Robertxxx said that when the baby could feel would determine to beginning of life. Does that mean people with anhidrosis (CIPA) are not
alive or have souls? Click On
eople without Life or souls
No one should ever use a lie, to gain a good. If there are different opinions and they both can’t be right. Both parties may still believe the facts that made they form their opinion. What they believe will never change the truth. Even if “everyone” believed a lie like: Llife begins at the “24th week” and only one person believed the truth, that life began when the egg “first divides”. The truth would still be the truth! The number of believers in a lie don’t affect the truth. That is called: A Majority of One! Statistics and medical theroy can not prove anything about God. They are our creations just as we are Gods.
There is only one valid reason for abortions. The devil wants to condemn more souls to hell. He uses it as a tool to make people think Life isn’t important. Of course, abortion isn’t the only way he uses. But it is a secular thing that many people can accept because the “woman” has rights. They forget that any individual with different DNA then her also has their individual rights. I also think that the mother also has responsibility to protect her baby from harm if at all possible. There is no justification for destroying a child of God.
The shocker for some People. Many of these women have committed no sin!:bigyikes:
No matter how hard some religious “nuts” would like to condemn them it just isn’t true that they all have sinned! Yes, they committed a grave matter, which can be or become a sin, but only if the following 5 things elements are present.
CCC 1857:
To be denied entry into the Kingdom of God, the sinner must:
[SIGN]The punishment for the sin of abortion is on all people who know that abortion is a sin against Life and allow it to continue.[/SIGN]
As a Country it is upon us for leaglly allowing abortions to be preformed. It has been said that if God doesn’t punish the USA, He owes a big apology to Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot’s wife was a professor of religion, and her husband was a “righteous man” (II Peter 2:8). She left Sodom with Lot on the day when Sodom was destroyed. She missed her old life, and disobeyed God and look back in yearning for the life she was giving up. She died for her sin of disobedience. When things happens to our country people die.
Unlike some others, I don’t think God is doing it in atonement for our turning our backs on Him and allowing abortion. Too many people are praying against it so that can’t be true. But I do know, abortion is a grave matter that we will have to answer to God on allowing, supporting, preforming or having.
We should remember to hate the sin nor the sinner. The abortionist are in it for the money! I pray that God brings down His just and swift punishment on them, and may His punishment go down to the sixth generation, as the bible says!
43 Million babies did not have life in the United States due to abortion. How do we fight this evil? First, With the truth! Put on the whole armor of GOD. Take the shield of faith. Take the
helmet of salvation, and the two edged sword of the Spirit." Fr John Corapi
Always be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. What matters most is what you stand for that will become the memories that will live in those who loved you. Living a life that matters doesn’t happen by accident.
It’s not a matter of circumstance but of choice. Choose to live a life that matters. One that glorifies God and brings honor to you as an human being
My recommendation. Pray! Pray for the victims of abortion, Mothers and babies both. Pray for God’s mercy on our country and the souls of all of us that do not do as much as we could in order to stop abortion.
For mothers who had abortions I pray for you and your babies daily. You are loved more then you could ever realize. Jesus died so you personally could have eternal life.
For Abortionist: Go to Hell! Your Master is awaiting your arrival!
God Bless **
Part Two of Two (Continued)
Of course, after that first division, the baby must continue to develop physically just as it must develop spiritually. Both growths require nourishment. Before physical birth the baby cannot normally live outside its environment, it will die. After birth, if you remove a Human outside its required environment for life, it also will die. Does that prove that neither was alive? Just because you remove the human from the live support environment can’t proved that it wasn’t human in its environment. Robertxxx said that when the baby could feel would determine to beginning of life. Does that mean people with anhidrosis (CIPA) are not
alive or have souls? Click On
eople without Life or souls No one should ever use a lie, to gain a good. If there are different opinions and they both can’t be right. Both parties may still believe the facts that made they form their opinion. What they believe will never change the truth. Even if “everyone” believed a lie like: Llife begins at the “24th week” and only one person believed the truth, that life began when the egg “first divides”. The truth would still be the truth! The number of believers in a lie don’t affect the truth. That is called: A Majority of One! Statistics and medical theroy can not prove anything about God. They are our creations just as we are Gods.
There is only one valid reason for abortions. The devil wants to condemn more souls to hell. He uses it as a tool to make people think Life isn’t important. Of course, abortion isn’t the only way he uses. But it is a secular thing that many people can accept because the “woman” has rights. They forget that any individual with different DNA then her also has their individual rights. I also think that the mother also has responsibility to protect her baby from harm if at all possible. There is no justification for destroying a child of God.
The shocker for some People. Many of these women have committed no sin!:bigyikes:
No matter how hard some religious “nuts” would like to condemn them it just isn’t true that they all have sinned! Yes, they committed a grave matter, which can be or become a sin, but only if the following 5 things elements are present.
CCC 1857:
To be denied entry into the Kingdom of God, the sinner must:
- Commit one or more sins of a grave matter;
- Have full knowledge that the sin(s) is a mortal sin;
- Voluntarily consent to commit the sin;
- Reject the grace of God;
- Reject the mercy of God by refusing to confess his sins through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
[SIGN]The punishment for the sin of abortion is on all people who know that abortion is a sin against Life and allow it to continue.[/SIGN]
As a Country it is upon us for leaglly allowing abortions to be preformed. It has been said that if God doesn’t punish the USA, He owes a big apology to Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot’s wife was a professor of religion, and her husband was a “righteous man” (II Peter 2:8). She left Sodom with Lot on the day when Sodom was destroyed. She missed her old life, and disobeyed God and look back in yearning for the life she was giving up. She died for her sin of disobedience. When things happens to our country people die.
Unlike some others, I don’t think God is doing it in atonement for our turning our backs on Him and allowing abortion. Too many people are praying against it so that can’t be true. But I do know, abortion is a grave matter that we will have to answer to God on allowing, supporting, preforming or having.
We should remember to hate the sin nor the sinner. The abortionist are in it for the money! I pray that God brings down His just and swift punishment on them, and may His punishment go down to the sixth generation, as the bible says!
43 Million babies did not have life in the United States due to abortion.
How do we fight this evil? First, With the truth! Put on the whole armor of GOD. Take the shield of faith. Take thehelmet of salvation, and the two edged sword of the Spirit." Fr John Corapi
Always be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. What matters most is what you stand for that will become the memories that will live in those who loved you. Living a life that matters doesn’t happen by accident.
It’s not a matter of circumstance but of choice. Choose to live a life that matters. One that glorifies God and brings honor to you as an human being
My recommendation. Pray! Pray for the victims of abortion, Mothers and babies both. Pray for God’s mercy on our country and the souls of all of us that do not do as much as we could in order to stop abortion.
For mothers who had abortions I pray for you and your babies daily. You are loved more then you could ever realize. Jesus died so you personally could have eternal life.
For Abortionist: Go to Hell! Your Master is awaiting your arrival!
God Bless **
R
Realcatholicgk
Guest
Sorry, but those rights apply to abortion.
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Hi captback,
I will say some things that may sound harsh. I apologize but they must be said. Please believe me that they are said with love. I do not condemn anyone. **
Abortion is the murder of an innocent child. Maybe not in the eyes of the secular law but dear that law stops at death! Sorry, Only God’s laws apply after death. "thou shall not kill"
You are free to believe that abortion is murder. You’re also free to believe that I and 50 million other women are murderers.
** In your heart of heart you also believe it is murder. There is no way that a real God loving human being could not believe otherwise. To end a life that God made is murder.
You are a victim just like your murdered child. You are not a murderer! No more than a victim of sexual abuse could be considered a sex manic! But you did commit a matter of grave matter, by allowing it to occur it does endanger your soul. But your sin has already been paid for. All you must do is acknowledge the sin and accept the Gift from Jesus. He died for all your sins, just as he did mine. But you must acknowledge the sin and accept the gift. Does that make sense to you?**
Where’s the jail that can hold us all? Do you want your taxes to shoot up just to house us?
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That “Jail” is called Hell!There is no parole, no time off for good behavior. **
Do you understand that that kind of rhetoric actually keeps women imprisoned in their guilt and shame, crushes their spirits and their willingness to change, and encourages them to repeat their actions through looking for love and support in non-loving relationships?
**Capt, people can attempt to use every excuse to put the blame of their actions on others. That doesn’t justify what they do. It might explain why they did things but the court of law that will determine their guilt or innocence wil know all the truth and The devil made me do it will not lessen the purnishment.
Every human being should look for love and support from God. Yes, I know there are no ‘good’ answers, but there are also no ‘good’ excuses. I am an old man. As a youth, I was taught Prayer is the answer. No matter what the question. Prayer is the answer. Why do I do wrong, I don’t pray enough. Why do I do bad things, I forgot to pray not to do them. The devil attempt to make us feel good about ourselves when we are in sin. We must examine our conscience in a realistic way. If something offense your conscience it probably is a sin. Justification doesn’t change the fact that it is a sin. You can’t “forgive” your own sins! Yea, I know some religions actually teach that they can. I can it now: God says “What about the time you did this?” and the reply as the angels carry them over to throw into the pit of fire “Oh, I forgave myself for that God, So that doesn’t count!”
If women have guilt and shame that is a good thing. It shows that there is hope for them. They can be forgiven and start anew. Everyone can! Once the sin is confessed in the sacrament of Penitence, the wages of that sin are paid by Jesus’ death. The sin is loosed in heaven and the person can again receive the graces from God to remove the shame they feel.
You are in my prayers, please include me in your!
God Bless**
C
captbackfire
Guest
“Abortion is the murder of an innocent child.”
“You are a victim just like your murdered child. You are not a murderer!” ??
“All you must do is acknowledge the sin and accept the Gift from Jesus.”
I already confessed, did my penance and determined never to repeat my actions.
If no one can justify abortion to a devout Catholic, then why do the posters on this forum continually demand justification for it?
capt
“You are a victim just like your murdered child. You are not a murderer!” ??
“All you must do is acknowledge the sin and accept the Gift from Jesus.”
I already confessed, did my penance and determined never to repeat my actions.
If no one can justify abortion to a devout Catholic, then why do the posters on this forum continually demand justification for it?
capt
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