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captbackfire
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Seems like we are raising a generation of lily-livered, cowering adolescents who have neither the backbone nor the self-esteem to stand up to violence. Are we raising our children to submit to our demands, no matter how outlandish, how dangerous, how extreme?
Every woman in every community should know how to fight back and win. When we are being violated we have the right and the duty to preserve ourselves at any cost.
I would love to know how many Catholic women in the United States have been issued a concealed carry permit, and how many of those would actually be able and ready to aim and fire if the situation called for it. “Please, no, don’t do that!” just doesn’t cut it and never did.
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Chris_LaRock
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But you have continually defended your ‘choice’ when conversing with me on the subject. That isn’t the sign of someone who is truly repentant. Your confession and penance are useless, since you obviously weren’t genuinely repentant.
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Realcatholicgk
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Hi CaptbackFire,**
“Abortion is the murder of an innocent child.” “You are a victim just like your murdered child. You are not a murderer!” ?? **I don’t know your complete story, It isn’t important at all! You just told me the most important things.
May I share an old story with you?
A young servant was sleeping, A voice woke him and said “This is God, Take this message to your King!” The boy ran to his master, The King listened and said, “Wait, How do I know this message is really from God? Before you tell me go back to sleep if God talks to you again, tell Him I want proof It is Him talking. He has to tell you the last sin that I confessed. If He can, I will know it is God and listen to what He has to say to me.”
The boy went away, later he was awaked again by God. He told God what His King had told him. God answered the boy and the boy ran back to the King. “Master!” he yelled, “God woke me again.” The King said “OK What did God say my last sin I confessed was?” The boy look down and said “God said to tell you he forgave you and doesn’t remember!” The King said “What did God want you to tell me?”
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“All you must do is acknowledge the sin and accept the Gift from Jesus.”
I already confessed, did my penance and determined never to repeat my actions.
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Captain, So what more do YOU want? God forgave you in confession. Now it is time you forgive yourself.
The Native Americans call it sending things to the North. How it works is Every time you think of the baby. Pray a Hail Mary, not for the baby who is with Jesus but for yourself. Do it slowly.If you have to do it 1,000 a day do it! It isn’t a penance. There will come a time when you become just sick and tired of praying and you will release the spirit of the baby so it can rest in peace.
I killed 54 soldiers in war over 40 years ago I still pray for their souls daily. The pain that I caused their familys is my burden to bear. Jesus loves you. You have been forgiven by everyone but yourself. Do not to allow your self hate to effect your happiness.
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If no one can justify abortion to a devout Catholic, then why do the posters on this forum continually demand justification for it?
**Capt, On that, your guess is as good as mine. Why do you think they do that?
I can’t read minds, I just read scripture. Your questio did bring this passage to mind:
"The scribes and Pharisees led forward a woman who had been caught in adultery, and made her stand there in front of everybody. “Teacher,” they said to him, “this woman has been caught in the very act of adultery. Now, in the Law Moses ordered such women to be stoned. But you–what do you say about it?” They were posing this question to trap him so that they could have something to accuse him of. But Jesus simply bent down and started drawing on the ground with his finger. When they persisted with their questioning, he straightened up and said to them, “The man among you who has no sin–let him be the first to cast a stone at her.” And he bent down again and started to write on the ground. But the audience went away one by one, starting with the elders; and he was left alone with the woman still there before him. So Jesus, straightening up, said to her, “Woman, where are they all? Hasn’t anyone condemned you?” “No one, sir,” she answered. Jesus said, “Nor do I condemn you. You may go. But from now on, avoid this sin.” --John 8.3-11
In the Catholic faith it is taught that Jesus was slowly writing the individual sins of each member of the audience in the dirt, one by one they read and left as their sins were revealed. All I can say is the so called Catholics here should consider becoming Christians.
I for one do not condemn you, my sister! May our God bless and protect you and remove this burden of guilt from your heart! I ask this through Jesus who died for all our sins! Amen!
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Realcatholicgk
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Hi Chris,
Back off my brother. I ask you not to attempt to play God and attempt to judge other peoples hearts nor souls.
I am very angry at your words, they are from Satan, not from Jesus! I can BITE you Consider this my first and final warning to you. I believe we are friends. You know my heart, Chris.
Hate the sin, never the sin. Judge not so you won’t be so judged! Capt deserves no hate. There is too much hurt there my friend. Can’t you feel it? You my brother owe her an apology for your hatefulness.
Lets pray for one another and the babies who died.
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Chris_LaRock
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Go back and read some of the stuff this lady posted.**
Hi Chris,
Back off my brother. I ask you not to attempt to play God and attempt to judge other peoples hearts nor souls.
I am very angry at your words, they are from Satan, not from Jesus! I can BITE you Consider this my first and final warning to you. I believe we are friends. You know my heart, Chris.
Hate the sin, never the sin. Judge not so you won’t be so judged! Capt deserves no hate. There is too much hurt there my friend. Can’t you feel it? You my brother owe her an apology for your hatefulness.
Lets pray for one another and the babies who died.
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"My abortion was permitted by law. As a woman, I have the intelligence, the knowledge and the freedom to decide for myself what is right for me in my life, my relationships, my faith. "
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Realcatholicgk
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Go back and read some of the stuff this lady posted.
"My abortion was permitted by law. As a woman, I have the intelligence, the knowledge and the freedom to decide for myself what is right for me in my life, my relationships, my faith. "
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Hi Chris,
Hey buddy, Don’t you know me by now? I have read every post she has written on the site! I also have read all of yours and every one we have ever talk to. That is what I do.
Never beat on a dead horse, that goes beyond animal cruelity.
Re-read the post I sent you one more time. Read it slowly, let the words sink in.
"Back off my brother. I ask you not to attempt to play God and attempt to judge other peoples hearts nor souls.
I am very angry at your words, they are from Satan, not from Jesus! I can BITE you Consider this my first and final warning to you**. I believe we are friends. You know my heart, Chris.
Hate the sin, never the sin. Judge not so you won’t be so judged! Capt deserves no hate. There is too much hurt there my friend. Can’t you feel it? You my brother owe her an apology for your hatefulness."
Chris, You are a good person, start acting like it! You and I will also will answer for our sins, let not pride be the biggest one! You were wrong! Trust me on this one!
Pray brother, pray
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Chris_LaRock
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I didn’t mean to be hateful. I just felt that some rebuking was in order. When someone says they commited a mortal sin, confessed it, did penance, and still defends the sin they commited, I think a rebuke is in order.
As a Catholic, you should be offended that people abuse the sacrament of confession in such a way.
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Realcatholicgk
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Hi Chris,
I am to be a witness, not a Judge. 
As a Catholic I believe that God forgave her at her confession and there is no more sin involved. That is one reason why I asked you to just drop it. You and I have no fight we both know that. But reread what she wrote about how it happened. She had no sin until she realized it was a sin. She went and confessed it was over. You do know she just buried her Husband on 5 January? And you are tormenting her for a decision she made 40 years ago? Where is the christian love, compassion and mercy?
Do you know when I go on the line at the Planned Parenthood, over 75% of the women had an abortion? Many decades ago. I pray with and for them. My God is a compassionate God.
I pray for both of you. Please let it rest in peace so that her baby’s soul can also. She also lost two others babies spontaneously. My wife and I lost 7, we never had any childdren of our own. Be kinder than needed, everyone has their cross to carry buddy!
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st_lucy
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It seems to me that those who have never been faced with victimization tend to always put the blame on the victim. A women who has been victimized her whole life or for a great number of years has a really hard time standing up or even understanding that what is happening to her is not the norm.
I suggest you try helping out at your local CAV (community against violence) shelter to see first hand what these women are going through. This not an easy subject for me or many others who have been where a lot of these women are now. I know I had to fight tooth and nail to pull myself out a situation that made me the victim, although I didn’t see it as such at the time.
I am constantly amazed how those who spew the pro-choice, I am liberal, view point will beat those who are down to the ground simply because they can say for a fact that pro-choice, does not always mean that the woman actually has the choice.
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Robertsxxx
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How DARE you say something like that?
Do you even know the person posting? How did you get the information that she hasn’t faced any such problem?
Maybe that’s why she’s posting that we are raising children that can’t resist pressure & force. I happen to agree, we need to teach these things to children. Instead of allowing them to feel as victim & take away the rest of internal control, they might already have little of.
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st_lucy
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And how dare you or anyone who can say that a women who has been a victim is
Like I stated above I have been there and I find it very offensive to and very unhelpful to those who are trying to pull themselves together after such an event. Exactly how many women of rape, domistic violence and other such acts have you seen who are strong enough to get help! Many of these women have been told time and time again that they are not worth anything and that they are in these situations on their own behalf. It is a very hard thing to believe that it is not your own fault that you have been in fact victimized. And to say other wise is very unkind and
You sir have offend me in many of your other post but this one is over the top. Who are you to sit there and tell me that my child is not a human and than tell me that I have no idea of what I am talking about. And THAN tell ME that I am being offensive. Do yourself a favor and think before you type.
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st_lucy
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This part of your post shows to me that you have never once sat down with a person who has been in these situations. I am constantly amazed at those who want to tell others how to feel when they have no idea of where that person is coming from.
Women who are forced to have an abortion by their husband has probably been abused for years and is probably still being abused. Where are all those bleeding heart liberals when this is happening. Oh that is right they are telling these women to grow a backbone and stand up for themselves.
I remember my father having my mother tied to a chair with a gun to her head threatening to kill one of us of we said a word about it. As a small child I thought that this was a normal part of life. It wasn’t until he finially walked out of our lives and my mom was able to run to her safe family that I realized it wasn’t. Being a victim is so much bigger than growing a backbone.
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Robertsxxx
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Women who are forced to have an abortion by their husband has probably been abused for years and is probably still being abused. Where are all those bleeding heart liberals when this is happening. Oh that is right they are telling these women to grow a backbone and stand up for themselves.
Ok… so instead of the man violating both the woman & her rights, lets do it ourselves by making abortion illegal & taking away any choice & control over body she has. (I don’t know your position on abortion, so I am using the standard overgeneralization of it being “not an option”).
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Do you NOT want kids throughout childhood & further on to be taught to have more internal control & be able to say NO to pressure & such force?
I don’t get you
Ok… so instead of the man violating both the woman & her rights, lets do it ourselves by making abortion illegal & taking away any choice & control over body she has. (I don’t know your position on abortion, so I am using the standard overgeneralization of it being “not an option”).
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Wait… I don’t get it, which part of my post do you disagree with?
Do you NOT want kids throughout childhood & further on to be taught to have more internal control & be able to say NO to pressure & such force?
So you’d rather they did not & would continue being subordinate & abused?
I don’t get you
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st_lucy
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I am saying that these women are being abuse! There is much damage being down and one does not wake up one morning and decide you know robertsxxx and captbackfire are right I am being a lily-livered, cowering adolescents who have neither the backbone nor the self-esteem to stand up to violence I am now cured of being a victim.Women who are forced to have an abortion by their husband has probably been abused for years and is probably still being abused. Where are all those bleeding heart liberals when this is happening. Oh that is right they are telling these women to grow a backbone and stand up for themselves.
Ok… so instead of the man violating both the woman & her rights, lets do it ourselves by making abortion illegal & taking away any choice & control over body she has. (I don’t know your position on abortion, so I am using the standard overgeneralization of it being “not an option”).
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Wait… I don’t get it, which part of my post do you disagree with?
Do you NOT want kids throughout childhood & further on to be taught to have more internal control & be able to say NO to pressure & such force?
So you’d rather they did not & would continue being subordinate & abused?
I don’t get you
I am saying before you sit there telling those who are victims that they are lily-liveried cowards maybe you should go to your local CAV shelter to see what it is you obviously have no clue about.
And yes making abortion illegal might help these women. Because any sane doctor who is allowing another person to take a female clinic to against her will, without notifying the authorities is only in it for the money. Lets face it PP and the such are not in the business to help women.
Child and women and men who find themselves in these situations need our help not our criticism.
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AHapka
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Should we not instead encourage him/her to repent, go to Confession, and be forgiven?
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Robertsxxx
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Huh? How come I can’t find this post? Deleted? Bummer
Anyway, the contradiction was beautiful.
Were you implying that our words can affect a soul, even though it is with God now in heaven? Or did he send the baby to hell?
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Robertsxxx
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& I’m not saying they are not. However, maybe if they were taught how to withstand such abuse better & resist the pressures, maybe they would not be in those situations, which is why education on such topics to those in risk groups (would be useful to everyone else as well, but who’s got the resources for all of that) of being abused/victimized/etc is important.
How is it wrong to say you have no self-esteem or face other identity, confidence & etc issues if you truly have them, since your “no actions” & not wanting to fight back, or inability to do it signals us to believe so?There is much damage being down and one does not wake up one morning and decide you know robertsxxx and captbackfire are right I am being a lily-livered, cowering adolescents who have neither the backbone nor the self-esteem to stand up to violence I am now cured of being a victim.
Just for the heck of it, what are the most common reasons, lets say, women allow for continuous abuse by spouses?
You seem to mention CAVs a lot, so maybe you’re at least familiar with the rationale of those women.
By limiting the privacy of their badies even more? Only this time it’s not the husbands/spouses/etc who are controlling them but you?
Um… in cases if she was brought unconcscious & was operated is bull & she can sue. In cases where women is forced to have an abortion by a spouse, for instance, if she says YES to the doc & on paper & is not dragged into the office by her hair; how is the doc supposed to know what is going on in their personal life? Psychic maybe? If she is dragged by her hair right in front of the nurse/doctor/etc she can also sue them.
Yet, I do not think they need to be constantly brainwashed with the victim mentality. Yes, they had problems in their life, & have fallen out of path, yet if you continue playing the victim with no control of your life, well guess what, somebody else will come along, possible similar to those abusive asses that got women in thsoe situations in the first place & take that control for them AGAIN.
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Realcatholicgk
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Realcatholicgk:
Should we not instead encourage him/her to repent, go to Confession, and be forgiven?
Hi AHapka, Sure YOU Can do that. However I pray for justice for the mudered babies, I can’t pray for Justice and for the sinners redemption at the same time. I desire our God to extract full and just payment for the evil of the Abortionist. May they rot in Hell.
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"If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that**. 1 John 5:16-
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