Know Anyone Victimized By Abortion Industry?

[Realcatholicgk]

Huh? How come I can’t find this post? Deleted? Bummer

Anyway, the contradiction was beautiful.

Were you implying that our words can affect a soul, even though it is with God now in heaven? Or did he send the baby to hell?

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Hi Robert,

Well, I don’t exactly know what you mean by “affect” the soul. I do think that when we talk/pray to saints the souls know we are talking/praying to them. I talk to my departed parents a lot of times, asking for their prayers for me and my soul (They departed many years ago to join Jesus) I also pray for their souls at every Mass I attend.)

When my group find out how many babies were aborted at the Local Planned Parenthood on a particular day. We have people who spiritually “adopt” the baby. They pray for its specific eternal rest as we do for all aborted babies. They ask the baby to forgive its Mother for her part in the death and for it to intercede for its Mother to God. The honor the babies lifes no matter how short they were.

So Yea, My faith tells me that our prayers can “affect” the babies soul. Just like someone yelling “Hey You” Their soul can hear.And like all other saints, their physical suffering is over

Oh, the other week, One sick butt said to me: “Isn’t abortion a good thing? We all strive to get to heaven. They get there without all the suffering we must go through. Many of them wouldn’t have a good life anyway!” That Proves the point that Mental Illiness is alive and well on Catholic.com, and that Satan is working his evil in the minds of people. I would love to take that person to a clinic and have them aborted! They wouldn’t have to crach open the head and suck out the brain. There isn’t one! Just tear off their limbs and stuff them in a medical waste bag for disposal!

I hope every aborted baby obtains eternal rest. There is no doubt they are in heaven buddy. They are sinless and their original sin was washed away by their murder. It’s You and Me and the others that have me concerned! Some of the remarks on this thread make me wonder about people’s souls. I said “wonder” not “judge” .

God Bless**

 

[captbackfire]

I didn’t mean to be hateful. I just felt that some rebuking was in order. When someone says they commited a mortal sin, confessed it, did penance, and still defends the sin they commited, I think a rebuke is in order.

As a Catholic, you should be offended that people abuse the sacrament of confession in such a way.

**“I didn’t mean to be hateful.” ** And yet you have been nothing but, throughout this entire thread.

"As A Catholic, you should be offended . . ." You should. Let me tell you what you should do. Do it* this* way. Do it my way. Were you brought up in a rigid, controlled and controlling environment?

**“As a Catholic, you should be offended that people abuse the sacrament of confession in such a way” ** You are reading intent into the circumstances described. Your interpretation is presumptuous and erroneous.

However, I’ve really been enjoying the ping pong here - most entertaining.

capt

 

[Realcatholicgk]

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Hi Capt, **

**“I didn’t mean to be hateful.” ** And yet you have been nothing but, throughout this entire thread.

**Chris, is nothing if not sincere and opinionated. However in His defense it is very difficult sometimes to separate the sin from the sinner. In the case of Abortion what Chris doesn’t realize that many times the mother is also a victim even though he started this Thread, in his zeal, he forgets that important fact. He is a good person. Lets all pray for one another! **

"As A Catholic, you should be offended . . ." You should. Let me tell you what you should do. Do it* this* way. Do it my way. Were you brought up in a rigid, controlled and controlling environment?

Like me, he is just a Man! He might make a Good Catholic once he sees humanity and accepts it and loves it like Jesus did. It is said that Jesus loves humanity so much that he would give up His life for only one person. I believe that He in fact did. He died for “each” of us individually. Not as a group, but individually, Jesus died for My sins. If I am worth the death of My Lord and Savior how could I not be worthy of Savlation?

**“As a Catholic, you should be offended that people abuse the sacrament of confession in such a way” ** You are reading intent into the circumstances described. Your interpretation is presumptuous and erroneous.

** The “abuse” of confession was part of what started the Protestant Reformation. Every one should be offended by its abuse. I am sure that God judges those that do that because only He knows the minds and hearts of people! I am a called to be a witness, not a judge!

Capt, many of Chris’ interpretations are presumptuous and erroneous, he is human. However he is a good person **

However, I’ve really been enjoying the ping pong here - most entertaining.

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It makes for interesting reading! You can sure hold your own!

My condolences for your lost. May your Husband rest in peace.

God Bless**

 

[Robertsxxx]

Dammit, don’t quote inside a quote, it’s confusing & hard to see where you start talking

Hi Robert,

Well, I don’t exactly know what you mean by “affect” the soul. I do think that when we talk/pray to saints the souls know we are talking/praying to them. I talk to my departed parents a lot of times, asking for their prayers for me and my soul (They departed many years ago to join Jesus) I also pray for their souls at every Mass I attend.)

Isn’t God unchanging? How can his position or plan for you & your soul or for unborn children be swayed by prayer if it is already layed out?

When my group find out how many babies were aborted at the Local Planned Parenthood on a particular day. We have people who spiritually “adopt” the baby. They pray for its specific eternal rest as we do for all aborted babies.

So if you don’t pray they will go to Hell?

And like all other saints, their physical suffering is over

So ther is mental suffering in heaven?

Oh, the other week, One sick butt said to me: “Isn’t abortion a good thing? We all strive to get to heaven. They get there without all the suffering we must go through.”

Why is this a bad argument?
If you goal is heaven, then killing a child before it’s chances of sinning or otherwise going to hell are increased?
If the kids gets an afterlife in heaven with God, what is the point of this one?

Many of them wouldn’t have a good life anyway!" That Proves the point that Mental Illiness is alive and well on Catholic.com,

How is it a mental illness to recognise there is suffering in the world?

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I would love to take that person to a clinic and have them aborted!

Wait… you’re pro-life??
So aborting zygotes is bad, but aborting/kiling full grown individuals, that happen to disagree is fine?
Logic goes Bam!

I hope every aborted baby obtains eternal rest.There **is no doubt **they are in heaven buddy.

Contradiction much?
How do you know?

God Bless

Wait, weren’t you the one who sent me to hell a few posts back for having a different position?

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Dammit,… …don’t quote inside a quote, it’s confusing & hard to see where you start talking

Isn’t God unchanging? How can his position or plan for you & your soul or for unborn children be swayed by prayer if it is already layed out?

So if you don’t pray they will go to Hell?

So ther is mental suffering in heaven?

Why is this a bad argument?
If you goal is heaven, then killing a child before it’s chances of sinning or otherwise going to hell are increased?
If the kids gets an afterlife in heaven with God, what is the point of this one?

How is it a mental illness to recognise there is suffering in the world?

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Wait… you’re pro-life??
So aborting zygotes is bad, but aborting/kiling full grown individuals, that happen to disagree is fine?
Logic goes Bam!

Contradiction much?
How do you know?

Wait, weren’t you the one who sent me to hell a few posts back for having a different position?

**Hi Robert,

I “send” no one no where My friend. I myself am looking for my salvation. After reading the above post you are in my prayers. May God have mercy on your corrupted soul! Foolish questions deserve no answers. My sincere advise to you: Do not listen to any of the voices! Please, try to dial 9-1-1, if you can. Tell them what you just posted! There is help available. Just reach out!

Good Bless**

 

[LSK]

But it’s not somebody dying naturally. It’s a woman specifically knowing (I’m talking about cases when they are already aware of being pregnant) & being irresponsible enough to not take care of themselves enough+ the baby, which, even though they might not have wanted it, caused a spontaneous abortion.

How would you know that for sure?

A spontaneous abortion can take place when a woman has taken excellent care of herself at every stage of pregnancy, just as a healthy child can be born to woman who smokes and drinks throughout the pregnancy.

You want to know who has been victimized by the abortion industry, besides the children killed? Every post-abortive woman in the world who was told that it is ‘just a procedure’, that they ‘will feel better in a few days’, or that it will ‘make their life easier’.

Any debate about punishing post-abortive women is unnecessary. Trust me, the punishment is real and constant.

 

[Robertsxxx]

Hi Robert,

I “send” no one no where My friend. I myself am looking for my salvation. After reading the above post you are in my prayers. May God have mercy on your corrupted soul! Foolish questions deserve no answers. My sincere advise to you: Do not listen to any of the voices! Please, try to dial 9-1-1, if you can. Tell them what you just posted! There is help available. Just reach out!

Good Bless

So at first you send me to hell, then say look for salvation? Hypocrite. You didn’t even deny it was you who said it.

& ignoring the questions & instead insulting the other side is a very basic tactic of trying to save face when you don’t have an answer or you have one, but it will embarass you.

Blah, whatever, you’re not worth it.

How would you know that for sure?

A spontaneous abortion can take place when a woman has taken excellent care of herself at every stage of pregnancy, just as a healthy child can be born to woman who smokes and drinks throughout the pregnancy.

Yes, you’re right, it can happen in cases of THE best care. Nevertheless, the number of miscarriages/spontaneous abortions would decrease greatly if the women were properly taken care of.

You want to know who has been victimized by the abortion industry, besides the children killed? Every post-abortive woman in the world who was told that it is ‘just a procedure’, that they ‘will feel better in a few days’, or that it will ‘make their life easier’.

& the women don’t have enough brain to consider this before going to a doctor? Not after they already ha the procedure done. (I’m not talking about cases when women were dragged by their hair or knocked out by drugs & had an illegal surgery)

Any debate about punishing post-abortive women is unnecessary. Trust me, the punishment is real and constant

I think there is another thread about this, but then who do you punish if the woman went willingly, the doctor? She’s the one who came into the office, signed papers, layed down on the table. She HAD other options; just that after some analyses she concluded this was the best solution for her (I’m not looking at reasons before choosing such a solution now though)

 

[Realcatholicgk]

So at first you send me to hell, then say look for salvation? Hypocrite. You didn’t even deny it was you who said it.

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Hi Robert,
I never said Robert go to hell. I may have warned you that your actions may send you there. I did say God Bless you.I am not a Hyporite, I actually think people can be saved, if they repent. Sorry it is the “christian” in me! Maybe you are right and I am wrong! **

& ignoring the questions & instead insulting the other side is a very basic tactic of trying to save face when you don’t have an answer or you have one, but it will embarass you.

**I have one but many years ago in my youth I was told never to agrue with an idiot, passerbys might not be able to tell the difference. **

Blah, whatever, you’re not worth it.

**At least I hope God thinks I am, He is the judge! Shaking the dust from my sandles with you my foolish friend.

God Bless
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**The below was directed to another poster. **

Yes, you’re right, it can happen in cases of THE best care. Nevertheless, the number of miscarriages/spontaneous abortions would decrease greatly if the women were properly taken care of.

& the women don’t have enough brain to consider this before going to a doctor? Not after they already ha the procedure done. (I’m not talking about cases when women were dragged by their hair or knocked out by drugs & had an illegal surgery)

I think there is another thread about this, but then who do you punish if the woman went willingly, the doctor? She’s the one who came into the office, signed papers, layed down on the table. She HAD other options; just that after some analyses she concluded this was the best solution for her (I’m not looking at reasons before choosing such a solution now though)

 

[Chris_LaRock]

How would you know that for sure?

A spontaneous abortion can take place when a woman has taken excellent care of herself at every stage of pregnancy, just as a healthy child can be born to woman who smokes and drinks throughout the pregnancy.

You want to know who has been victimized by the abortion industry, besides the children killed? Every post-abortive woman in the world who was told that it is ‘just a procedure’, that they ‘will feel better in a few days’, or that it will ‘make their life easier’.

Any debate about punishing post-abortive women is unnecessary. Trust me, the punishment is real and constant.

I’m talking about women who have been gravely injured or forced to endure forced abortions. I feel they should have the right to sue. It won’t bring the child back, but it will afford some measure of justice for them.

 

[captbackfire]

I’m talking about women who have been gravely injured or forced to endure forced abortions. I feel they should have the right to sue. It won’t bring the child back, but it will afford some measure of justice for them.

How do you propose to find these women? On a Catholic website? And again, how do you intend to “help” them? In what way are you empowered to help them? If you’re talking about lawsuits, then perhaps you’re an attorney. What would you charge these women for services rendered?

If you’re not an attorney, or perhaps a writer who could compile their stories for publication, what do you have to offer? Either of these options puts you in a position to profit from their misery.

Have you ever considered that maybe they want to be left alone? This is surely not their shining moment. Nobody wants to relive anguish for fun and profit.

capt

capt

 

[Chris_LaRock]

How do you propose to find these women? On a Catholic website? And again, how do you intend to “help” them? In what way are you empowered to help them? If you’re talking about lawsuits, then perhaps you’re an attorney. What would you charge these women for services rendered?

If you’re not an attorney, or perhaps a writer who could compile their stories for publication, what do you have to offer? Either of these options puts you in a position to profit from their misery.

Have you ever considered that maybe they want to be left alone? This is surely not their shining moment. Nobody wants to relive anguish for fun and profit.

capt

capt

How could I profit from a woman suing an abortionist for hurting them? I want to supply these women with resources to get help. But you are a pro-abort, and naturally want to defend the abortion providers from legal trouble.

 

[NeedImprovement]

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Wait… you’re pro-life??
So aborting zygotes is bad, but aborting/kiling full grown individuals, that happen to disagree is fine?
Logic goes Bam! …

Slow down a little bro’. Technically, to abort an adult, you have to ask Nicodemus’ question first or your own logic’s Bam! will precede the one you’re describing.

 

[awantz]

I’m talking about women who have been gravely injured or forced to endure forced abortions. I feel they should have the right to sue. It won’t bring the child back, but it will afford some measure of justice for them.

That’s me. That would be nice. I would like to see him in jail. That would be justice for my baby.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

That’s me. That would be nice. I would like to see him in jail. That would be justice for my baby.

The Thomas More Society can help you. They have a long history of winning cases against abortion clinics and physicians.

 

[awantz]

The Thomas More Society can help you. They have a long history of winning cases against abortion clinics and physicians.

I emailed them and I never heard back.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I emailed them and I never heard back.

I think they have a phone number on the website. You could also google other pro-life attorneys and lawyers in your area.

 

[captbackfire]

How could I profit from a woman suing an abortionist for hurting them? I want to supply these women with resources to get help. But you are a pro-abort, and naturally want to defend the abortion providers from legal trouble.

I am simply interested to understand the drive behind your compulsion to help women who have somehow been hurt by abortion providers. Can you provide any insight here?

I just returned from your website and I have questions about the books you are selling there. They are apparently written by you; are they fiction (“a novel” as most modern fiction pieces claim), or are they fact? And are you gathering information from women who are sharing their abortion stories on Catholic Answers Forum to knit into another book for profit?

My gut tells me I’ve found a transparency.

capt

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I am simply interested to understand the drive behind your compulsion to help women who have somehow been hurt by abortion providers. Can you provide any insight here?

capt

For the same reason anyone goes after a corporate criminal. Everyday people get hurt and exploited, and deserve legal recourse.

 

[captbackfire]

For the same reason anyone goes after a corporate criminal. Everyday people get hurt and exploited, and deserve legal recourse.

And your extracting morbid and gruesome stories to put between two boards and sell through LuLu is not exploitation?

capt

 

[Chris_LaRock]

And your extracting morbid and gruesome stories to put between two boards and sell through LuLu is not exploitation?

capt

It’s called using the medium of literature in order to reach people. Like how “uncle Tom’s Cabin” helped to educate people about slavery.