Komen Admits Planned Parenthood Grants Don’t Get Women Mammograms

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It is a half-truth to say PP does not provide mammograms because PP screens women for mammgorams, refers women that need mammograms to providers and then pays for the mammogram. It is an untruth to say that PP grants do not pay for mammograms because they do.

I would like to see another organization be used in place of PP to do the same women’s health functions - such as screening women for mammograms, making referrals and paying for them. But it is hard to convince others to make that change with half-truths and un-truths.
What do you mean by ‘screen’ women?

I do not see why anybody would want a middle man, like Planned Parenthood, when you could go to a community health center directly and get a mammogram. You do not need to go Planned Parenthood even just to get a grant, because there are many community health centers that offer free or low cost mamograms directly.
 
Say I go to my doctor, Dr. X, with an infection and he looks at it and writes me a prescription for an antibiotic. I go to the pharmacist and they fill it, with my insurer paying for it.

If I started telling people that Dr. X is not a good doctor because I had an infection and he did not provide me with the antibiotics I needed, would most people think that was a fair statement? If I started telling people that my insurer was not a good insurer because they did not provide me with the antibiotics I needed, would most people think that was a fair statement?

We have an obligation to be fair with the truth for two reasons. First, because our moral standards require it (and PP’s failure in morals does not excuse us from that duty). Second, because the credibility of the pro-life movement depends on it. Those that play fast and loose with the truth while claiming to speak for any movement do that movement incredible harm.
Your physician provided you with expert advice and a script. Your pharmacist provided you with expert advice and antibiotics. Your insurer paid the physician and the pharmacist.
 
The 3% Planned Parenthood services abortions was refuted by Abby Johnson, former director of a Planned Parenthood:

And while Planned Parenthood says abortions make up just 3 percent of its services, I found they used an sleight of hand, unbundling family planning services so each patient shows anywhere from five to 20 “visits” per appointment (12 packs of birth control would show up as 12 individual visits). It does the opposite for abortion visits, bundling them together so each appointment shows as one visit. This skews the numbers. You have an overwhelming number of “visits” for family planning compared to abortion, even though you may have seen the same number of patients.

aolnews.com/2011/03/08/opinion-defund-planned-parenthood/

I think this is where Kyl may have got his 90% figure from, but he did not mention that this figure was for pregnant women.

Looking at a Planned Parenthood [PDF] detailing their services for 2009 (the most recent year for which data are available), we see that PP’s abortion numbers were 332,278, while their number of adoption referrals was 977.

That’s one adoption referral for every 340 aborted babies. And if you add the abortion and adoption numbers together, their abortion numbers account for 99.7%, and their adoption numbers for 0.3%.

Planned Parenthood’s figures show they had 7,021 prenatal clients in 2009. It’s this number plus the 977 adoption referrals plus the 332,278 abortions that gives you the total number of services to pregnant women, of which abortions constitute 97.6%, which rounds up to 98%.

prolifeaction.org/hotline/2011/98percent/
Kyl’s camp admitted his numbers are not meant to be factual. What you have posted is a twisting of numbers to fit something he made up. You can’t add abortions with adoptions while ignoring women who chose neither. Also, PP provided ~300k abortions, with only 7021 pre-natal clients? Where are the other clients? Put simply, PP provided 98% more abortions than adoptions, but abortion services only constitute 3% of what PP does.
 
I do not see why anybody would want a middle man, like Planned Parenthood, when you could go to a community health center directly and get a mammogram. You do not need to go Planned Parenthood even just to get a grant, because there are many community health centers that offer free or low cost mamograms directly.
You say this, but if that’s the case why do women go to PP?
 
Kyl’s camp admitted his numbers are not meant to be factual. What you have posted is a twisting of numbers to fit something he made up. You can’t add abortions with adoptions while ignoring women who chose neither. Also, PP provided ~300k abortions, with only 7021 pre-natal clients? Where are the other clients? Put simply, PP provided 98% more abortions than adoptions, but abortion services only constitute 3% of what PP does.
I think you are misunderstanding the statistics.

To your comment about about women who choose neither abortion or adoption, Planned Parenthood’s 2009 report shows they had 7,021 prenatal clients. Now I do not think these women chose abortion or adoption but prenatal services.

Planned Parenthood did 977 adoption referals and 332,278 abortions.

The total number of services to pregnant women mean that abortions constitute 97.6% of services.

3% of services at Planned Parenthood is abortion, is not true.
 
You say this, but if that’s the case why do women go to PP?
Maybe they don’t know that you can you can get free or lost cost comprehensive health care at community health centers.
 
I think you are misunderstanding the statistics.

Planned Parenthood’s 2009 report shows they had 7,021 prenatal clients. Now I do not think these women chose abortion or adoption but prenatal services.

Planned Parenthood did 977 adoption referals and 332,278 abortions.

The total number of services to pregnant women mean that abortions constitute 97.6% of services.

I am not repeating myself, 3% is not true.
How many women came to PP and did not have an abortion or adoption? You don’t know that number. All you know is how many women had an abortion and how many had an adoption. This 97.6% number does not reflect the entirety of services performed for pregnant women, unless you can tell me without a doubt how many women came to PP and didn’t have an abortion or adoption. This number is the greater part of a lie from a man who stated his numbers weren’t meant to be factual. Why keep defending someone who admits to lying :confused:
 
Maybe they don’t know that you can you can get free or lost cost comprehensive health care at community health centers.
But they know PP does give free or cheap health care? Come on. How do you think people even know where to go? They look this stuff up, and go to the closest center to them. Why do you think PP targets poor immobile communities? It might be that poor people have a hard time getting to these other centers. There are many centers out there, but PP is always in the poorest of them, I don’t know if the same can be said of these other centers.
 
This is the part I don’t get. What are they “screening” for a mammogram?
I assume they are doing the same screening that any healthcare provider does. They look at her age, health history, etc., and see if she is due for or needs a mammogram. If she needs one they write a referral and send her to the lab or whatever that does the procedure.
 
How many women came to PP and did not have an abortion or adoption? You don’t know that number. All you know is how many women had an abortion and how many had an adoption. This 97.6% number does not reflect the entirety of services performed for pregnant women, unless you can tell me without a doubt how many women came to PP and didn’t have an abortion or adoption. This number is the greater part of a lie from a man who stated his numbers weren’t meant to be factual. Why keep defending someone who admits to lying :confused:
7021 had prenatal services. Prental does not mean adoption or abortion. An example of a prenatal service is ultrasound.
 
7021 has prenatal services. Prental does not mean adoption or abortion.
How many women, pregnant women, came to PP but did not have an abortion or adoption?

Lets say a million pregnant women saw PP in 2010. Lets assume the stats are these,

Abortion: 300k
Adoption: 1k
Keeping Child: 699k

In these stats, of services for pregnant women,

30% was abortion
0.1% was adoption
69.9% was keeping the child (doing nothing)

To say that PP does 98% abortions on pregnant women under this model would mean that 980k pregnant women had an abortion. These of course aren’t real numbers. So, how many pregnant women came to PP but did not have an adoption or abortion? To claim a % of PP services for pregnant women without this info is irresponsible.
 
How many women, pregnant women, came to PP but did not have an abortion or adoption?

Lets say a million pregnant women saw PP in 2010. Lets assume the stats are these,

Abortion: 300k
Adoption: 1k
Keeping Child: 699k

In these stats, of services for pregnant women,

30% was abortion
0.1% was adoption
69.9% was keeping the child (doing nothing)

To say that PP does 98% abortions on pregnant women under this model would mean that 980k pregnant women had an abortion. These of course aren’t real numbers. So, how many pregnant women came to PP but did not have an adoption or abortion? To claim a % of PP services for pregnant women without this info is irresponsible.
So if a Mother comes in and picks up a pacakge on condoms is she counted as “kept child” ? What services, othe thanabortion , does PP offer pregnant women?
 
So if a Mother comes in and picks up a pacakge on condoms is she counted as “kept child” ? What services, othe thanabortion , does PP offer pregnant women?
Yes. An expecting mother is coming in looking for condoms? Even so, if PP offers them any service as listed in their fact sheet that would count. Which is why when looking at the services PP performs it’s useful to look at everything they do. Can you answer me how many pregnant women came to PP and kept their child?
 
Yes. An expecting mother is coming in looking for condoms? Even so, if PP offers them any service as listed in their fact sheet that would count. Which is why when looking at the services PP performs it’s useful to look at everything they do. Can you answer me how many pregnant women came to PP and kept their child?
I have no idea-the idea of a pregnant women going into a PP offcice horifies me-seems like a Jew in 1944 asking to tour a death camp.
 
I have no idea-the idea of a pregnant women going into a PP offcice horifies me-seems like a Jew in 1944 asking to tour a death camp.
Perhaps if it’s the only free health care provider in town you make due. I’m all for more health centers surrounding and taking down PP. I sure hope they open up soon.
 
They are ‘screening’ to see if you have a baby they can abort.:mad:
And then there are the “abortions” performed on women who aren’t pregnant.

Will you walk into my parlour?" said the Spider to the Fly,
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I’ve a many curious things to shew when you are there."
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, “to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne’er come down again.”

“I’m sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high;
Will you rest upon my little bed?” said the Spider to the Fly.
“There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest awhile, I’ll snugly tuck you in!”
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, “for I’ve often heard it said,
They never, never wake again, who sleep upon your bed!”

The Spider and the Fly
Mary Howitt
 
Perhaps if it’s the only free health care provider in town you make due. I’m all for more health centers surrounding and taking down PP. I sure hope they open up soon.
A myth-they are located almost exclusively in the poor section of large cities where free health care is readily available.
 
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