KORAN- ERRORS & Contradictions

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There has been much debate as to the errors and contradictions in the Koran. There are different categories of errors that include but are not limited to, Historical Errors, Errors in Grammar, and Contradictions.

Let us discuss this important topic

Please keep the topic polite, respectful, and honest. It will do everybody good if we exhibit the appropriate Christian behavior.
 
The Qur’an in sura 9:30 makes the mistake of claiming that the Jews believed that Ezra was the Son of God, the Messiah, similar to what Christians assert of Jesus the Christ
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Nothing could be further from the truth.
Can a follower of Islam Please explain this HUGE ERROR?
 
The Qur’an in sura 9:30 makes the mistake of claiming that the Jews believed that Ezra was the Son of God, the Messiah, similar to what Christians assert of Jesus the Christ
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Nothing could be further from the truth.
Can a follower of Islam Please explain this HUGE ERROR?
If you know arabic language and specially the Quran . You would already know that when the Quran says the Jews he doesnt mean all Jews. Teh understanding of Muslims from this verse that Ezra has been so esteemed among some jews that some of them thought of him as the literal son of God. Btw, the Quran didnt refer to him as the messiah and there is no necessity fopr teh Messiah to be a son of God.

This is not an error of the Quran this is an error of how you understand teh Quran.
 
There has been much debate as to the errors and contradictions in the Koran. There are different categories of errors that include but are not limited to, Historical Errors, Errors in Grammar, and Contradictions.

Let us discuss this important topic

Please keep the topic polite, respectful, and honest. It will do everybody good if we exhibit the appropriate Christian behavior.
As for errors in Grammer , this is simply impossible for one simple reason. The quran IS the source and the thrust behind the Modern day Standard Arabic Language. It is the thrust of how this language developed to be a used language. The Quran Judges the arabic language and not vice versa.

As for teh Historical errors or contradioctions i havent seen any so far. All i have seen is desperate attempts to use people igniorance of arabic language and Quran to attack it.

thanks

Meedo
 
As for errors in Grammer , this is simply impossible for one simple reason. The quran IS the source and the thrust behind the Modern day Standard Arabic Language. It is the thrust of how this language developed to be a used language. The Quran Judges the arabic language and not vice versa.

As for teh Historical errors or contradioctions i havent seen any so far. All i have seen is desperate attempts to use people igniorance of arabic language and Quran to attack it.

thanks

Meedo
How is this not ERROR?:
How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?


(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days

(Koran 10:3)
Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days

(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in **SIX days

(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days

NOW LOOK NOW HERE:

(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?..

(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days

(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and…

**So which one of these is correct? **
 
OK, “Errors? What error? There are no error!” (e.g. denial) has been used. Next will most likely be the statement that “The Quran is the word of Allah! (It says so in the Quran don’tcha know?!) There can be no errors!” Followed closely by pointing out your “obvious lack of understanding of Arabic”, ending in a rousing attack on the Bible all the while not answering your question! :rolleyes:
 
If you know arabic language and specially the Quran . You would already know that when the Quran says the Jews he doesnt mean all Jews. Teh understanding of Muslims from this verse that Ezra has been so esteemed among some jews that some of them thought of him as the literal son of God. Btw, the Quran didnt refer to him as the messiah and there is no necessity fopr teh Messiah to be a son of God.

This is not an error of the Quran this is an error of how you understand teh Quran.
** Is this not a ERROR in Grammar:
20:63. The Qur’an :
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"These two are certainly magicians"—Inna Hazan Sahiran. The correct grammar must say, Inna Hazyn Sahiran. **
According to Arabic grammar, these two must be in the accusative case after “Inna”, but they are stated in the nominative case which is completely wrong.

(from answering Islam)
 
Here is what the Koran says:

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.” (Koran 4:171)

“They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.” (Koran 5:73)

Its screwed up the oly Trinity by putting mary in there instead of Holy Spirit.
 
Also interesting…

The god of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as “merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth”. He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists “Thou shall not kill the innocent and just”.

When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur’an), or is deceitfully thinking of this “peace”, as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur’an: “Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Sura 48:29. “Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush…” Sura 9:5. Also see Sura 9:29 Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this “open-ended”, universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.

Sura 47:4 says:

Fa’idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa’immā Mannāan Badu Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađaa Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā’u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Bađakum Bibađin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahum

which means

Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

Many Quran translators have tried to soften the meaning in their translation by adding the words “in war” in brackets after the word “Unbelievers” but they are NOT there in the original Arabic text.
 
The Koran also contradicts itself many times as shown:

To the Muslim, Jesus Christ is merely one of the many prophets of Allah (Sura: 4:171; 5:74). According to Islam, the prophet Muhammad supersedes Jesus Christ. Islam says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God or part of any Trinity (Sura 5:17; 5:116; 19:35). We are told by Islam that Jesus was the Messiah (Sura 3:45; 4:157; 171), but nothing but a slave on whom God showed favor (Sura 43:59); yet elsewhere in the Qur’an we are told the Messiah is not a slave (Sura 4:172). The Qur’an tells us that Jesus Christ did not atone for anyone’s sins, although he was himself sinless (Sura 3:46) and is one of those who are near to God (Sura 3:45). Positively, the Qur’an says that Jesus Christ performed miracles (Sura 3:49; 5:110) and was the Messiah. The Qur’an says Jesus did not die on a cross. Various Muslim traditions say that Jesus either miraculously substituted Judas Iscariot for himself on the cross, or that God miraculously delivered Him from the hands of the Romans and Jews before He could be crucified. Most Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was taken bodily into heaven without having died (Sura 4:157). However, Sura 19:33 says He died and would be resurrected. Muhammad on the other hand died in his wife Aisha’s home, not long after he was poisoned by a slave girl. Muhammad’s body was lowered into a hole in Medina, and his dead body was covered by dirt and brickwork.

It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Qur’an. Jesus did miracles (Sura 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Sura 13:8: “thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only”; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).

Jesus was sinless (Sura 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Sura 40:55: “Ask forgiveness of thy sin”; 42:5: “Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth”; 47:19: “Ask forgiveness for thy sin” ; 48:2: “that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin”).

Jesus was called “the Messiah” by Allah in the Qur’an. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Sura 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had 12 wives, 2 concubines, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on 20% of all the booty from these raids – is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets.
 
I mean seriously I can write a book on this stuff…

Islam claims that Allah is the same God who was revealed in the Bible. . . . then if the Bible and the Qur’an have differing views of God, then Islam’s claim is false. Don’t forget that Muhammad claimed in Suras 2:87, 29:46, 32:23, 5:44, 6:154, 6:155 that Allah confirmed the Torah (Taurat) and Christian Gospel (Injeel) (Sura 2:87, 5:46, 5:68, 29:46 and 43:63). So, if the Torah and Gospel are correct, all the errors in the Qur’an shown below make the Qur’an false.

A tenet of Islam is that both Mohammed and Jesus of Nazareth were both Muslims. Islam says both were prophets sent by Allah. If this were true, then it is mandatory that these two great prophets must coincide exactly in all points and never contradict each other. Did not the same Allah send both of them? Then, aren’t even the smallest of contradictions between the two, very big red flags? And there are a great many, which you will see below.
Sura 5:68 - Say: “O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.”

Sura 29:46 Muslims are told by Allah, not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;

Islam says that Jesus did not die. So, again --Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead. God does have a begotten Son (not made, but one with the Father), which Islam denies. The Jewish Torah / Taurat (Tawrat) clearly indicated this over 1000 years before Muhammad and Islam. In addition their are collateral 1st century sources that testify that Jesus was put to death. In the “Annals” written by Roman historian Tacitus, in Book XV, Chapter 44 we read “Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.” Roman historian Josephus also wrote about the death and Resurrection of Jesus. Even Satan says that Jesus died on the cross. Also, the Roman Historian Seutonius wrote in his work “Life of the Emperor Claudius” the following about Christians: “and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.” The Roman historian Pliny wrote about Jesus’ death in Book X of his Epistles. Julius Africanus, quoting Thallus another Roman historian, who wrote in about 52 A.D. about the miraculas happenings the day the Son of God was killed. He wrote: “On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down”. Like Muhammad, Satan also cringes in fear at the sight of the cross. Read this true Exorcism here
Proverbs 30:4 (700 B.C.): “Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in His fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the Earth? What is His name, and what is His son’s name, if thou canst tell?”

(Psalm 2:11-12) Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Even after Allah confirmed the Torah and Gospel, Islamic Mullahs and Imams have tried to sell the lie that the Christian Gospels and Jewish Torah have been corrupted.
 
How is this not ERROR?:
How Many Days Did It Take To Create Heavens And Earth?


(Koran 7:54)
Your guardian-Lord is Allah. Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days

(Koran 10:3)
Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in SIX Days

(Koran 11:7)
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in ***SIX ***days…

(Koran 25:29)
He Who created the heavens And the earth and all that is between, in SIX days

NOW LOOK NOW HERE:

(Koran 41:9)
Is it that ye Deny Him who created the earth in TWO days?..

(Koran 41:10)
He set on the (earth). Mountains standing firm,
high above it, and bestowed blessings on the
earth, and measured therein all things to
give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR days

(Koran 41:12)
So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO days and…

**So which one of these is correct? **
Rrg…I hate to say it, but that’s not necessarily the nail in the coffin that you hoped.

All of the 6-day passages state ‘the heavens and the earth.’ However, the 2-day ones specify only the earth. Now, I don’t know the Qu’ran at all, but depending on context, that doesn’t contradict.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
If you know arabic language and specially the Quran . You would already know that when the Quran says the Jews he doesnt mean all Jews. Teh understanding of Muslims from this verse that Ezra has been so esteemed among some jews that some of them thought of him as the literal son of God. Btw, the Quran didnt refer to him as the messiah and there is no necessity fopr teh Messiah to be a son of God.

This is not an error of the Quran this is an error of how you understand teh Quran.
Where does it say “Some of the Jews” ?

What kind of revelation would it be to state a ‘truism’?

Very inspiring! SOME Jews believe this! Wow!
 
As for errors in Grammer , this is simply impossible for one simple reason. The quran IS the source and the thrust behind the Modern day Standard Arabic Language. It is the thrust of how this language developed to be a used language. The Quran Judges the arabic language and not vice versa.
Meedo
Why’s Muhammed speak in first person in the Koran that’s supposed to be all spoken from your god *to *Muhammed
 
The most famous excuse for the contradictions is because the quran was written in arabic, and when its translated, it loses all meaning. :rolleyes:
Unlike the bible that can be translated into any language and can be clearly understood.
And we also have the holy spirit spreading the word in many languages.
Im so glad im with the right religion 🙂
 
The most famous excuse for the contradictions is because the quran was written in arabic, and when its translated, it loses all meaning.
Unlike the bible that can be translated into any language and can be clearly understood.
And we also have the holy spirit spreading the word in many languages.
Im so glad im with the right religion
Indeed, even when experts in Arabic and Koranic studies choose to translate it, and they themselves pick which words in English best convey the meaning of the original, they all fail! 😃
 
A friend of mine speaks arabic, she never has any trouble translating things. I dont understand why the quran is so hard to translate…
They are still trying to see if they can find if 9 years old actually means 9 years old arent they?:rolleyes:
 
A friend of mine speaks arabic, she never has any trouble translating things. I dont understand why the quran is so hard to translate…
Yeah, I know. They conduct business with the rest of the world every day, involving complext negotiations etc. and all through translations into/from Arabic!

Maybe when you say “I’ll buy 100k barrels of crude oil” they translate it as “I’ll buy 100k barrels of fish oil”. :rolleyes:
They are still trying to see if they can find if 9 years old actually means 9 years old arent they?
“Of the four ahâdîth in Sahîh al-Bukhari, two were narrated from cAishah (7:64 and 7:65), one from Abû Hishâm (5:236) and one via 'Ursa (7:88). All three of the ahâdîth in Sahîh Muslim have cAishah as a narrator. Additionally, all of the ahâdîth in both books agree that the marriage betrothal contract took place when cAishah was “six years old”, but was not consummated until she was “nine years old”. Additionally, a hadîth with the same text (matn) is reported in Sunan Abû Dâwûd. Needless to say, this evidence is - Islamically speaking - overwhelmingly strong and Muslims who deny it do so only by sacrificing their intellectual honesty, pure faith or both.
This evidence having been established, there doesn’t seem much room for debate about cAishah’s age amongst believing Muslims. Until someone proves that in the Arabic language “nine years old” means something other than “nine years old”, then we should all be firm in our belief that she was “nine years old” (as if there’s a reason or need to believe otherwise!?!). In spite of these facts, there are still some Muslim authors that have somehow (?) managed to push cAishah’s age out to as far as “fourteen or fifteen years old” at the time of her marriage to the Prophet(P). It should come as no surprise, however, that none of them ever offer any proof, evidence or references for their opinions. This can be said with the utmost confidence, since certainly none of them can produce sources more authentic than the hadîth collections of Imâms al-Bukhârî and Muslim! Based on the research that I’ve done, I feel that there is a common source for those who claim that cAishah’s age was “fourteen or fifteen years old” at the time of the marriage. This source is The Biographies of Prominent Muslims which is published in book form, on CD-ROM and is posted in several places on the Internet. Just another example of why going to the sources is important . . .”
islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(We concur with the general contents of the article.
and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best Mufti Ebrahim Desai islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6618
 
Yeah, I know. They conduct business with the rest of the world every day, involving complext negotiations etc. and all through translations into/from Arabic!

Maybe when you say “I’ll buy 100k barrels of crude oil” they translate it as “I’ll buy 100k barrels of fish oil”. :rolleyes:

“Of the four ahâdîth in Sahîh al-Bukhari, two were narrated from cAishah (7:64 and 7:65), one from Abû Hishâm (5:236) and one via 'Ursa (7:88). All three of the ahâdîth in Sahîh Muslim have cAishah as a narrator. Additionally, all of the ahâdîth in both books agree that the marriage betrothal contract took place when cAishah was “six years old”, but was not consummated until she was “nine years old”. Additionally, a hadîth with the same text (matn) is reported in Sunan Abû Dâwûd. Needless to say, this evidence is - Islamically speaking - overwhelmingly strong and Muslims who deny it do so only by sacrificing their intellectual honesty, pure faith or both.
This evidence having been established, there doesn’t seem much room for debate about cAishah’s age amongst believing Muslims. Until someone proves that in the Arabic language “nine years old” means something other than “nine years old”, then we should all be firm in our belief that she was “nine years old” (as if there’s a reason or need to believe otherwise!?!). In spite of these facts, there are still some Muslim authors that have somehow (?) managed to push cAishah’s age out to as far as “fourteen or fifteen years old” at the time of her marriage to the Prophet(P). It should come as no surprise, however, that none of them ever offer any proof, evidence or references for their opinions. This can be said with the utmost confidence, since certainly none of them can produce sources more authentic than the hadîth collections of Imâms al-Bukhârî and Muslim! Based on the research that I’ve done, I feel that there is a common source for those who claim that cAishah’s age was “fourteen or fifteen years old” at the time of the marriage. This source is The Biographies of Prominent Muslims which is published in book form, on CD-ROM and is posted in several places on the Internet. Just another example of why going to the sources is important . . .”
islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html
(We concur with the general contents of the article.
and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best Mufti Ebrahim Desai islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6618
Yes, that was the hadith i was refering to. Its amazing how people can lie when there is evidence stating ‘9 years old’
 
Yes, that was the hadith i was refering to. Its amazing how people can lie when there is evidence stating ‘9 years old’
The odd thing is that this particular site is by Moslems - they’re proud of it, and they’re against the apologists who seek to revise it!
 
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