L.A. Archdiocese to Pay $600M to Victims

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Money can’t fix the problem. And I still believe that the money is being used to cover up the issue. Sure, it has been brought to the light, but the Catholics are trying to put it in the dark agains by shelling out cash and acting like everything is fine and dandy.
This was a civil proceeding. In civil proceedings, money is used to remedy the harm done. That is how civil law works. No one ever said it was a perfect remedy, it is just a remedy.

When someone crashes into your car, it is not possible for them to wave a magic wand and transform your car back to it’s condition before the crash, so money is used to make amends, allowing you to fix your car.

Your post indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the workings of civil law in this country.

And the issue raised also cuts both ways. If money doesn’t solve the problem, then why did those making the claim ask for money? And now that they are getting a substantial windfall (less the 40% cut taken by the attorneys) can we assume that they will donate the money to a worthy cause? Somehow, I doubt it, but one can only hope.
 
Protestant4Life,

What Catholics are trying to put this issue in the dark again? Who is acting like everything “is fine and dandy?” How does that happen by settling with victims?

Just what is it that you think should happen?

Maybe we Catholics could learn something from how our protestent brethren handle the issue of sex abuse of their clergy. How is it handled in your congregation? Why do protestant churches have insurance to cover monetary reparations for instances of sexual abuse if money doesn’t “fix it?”

Please enlighten us as to how protestants deal with this issue in their church.
 
Money can’t fix the problem. And I still believe that the money is being used to cover up the issue. Sure, it has been brought to the light, but the Catholics are trying to put it in the dark agains by shelling out cash and acting like everything is fine and dandy.
If the money that is publicly being paid out is a cover up. Then what do you call the payouts of the insurance companies for the Protestant communities in secret.
 
Exactly who is acting like everythign is fine and dandy?

That is one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
 
Each time when I read about such news, it is always disheartening. I have tried to avoid reading detail of the news. Whilst I understand some of the priests have been dead, I just wonder why in these abuse cases, priests were never punished legally. Priests like any other citizens, should be sent to prison and receive necessary counselling. I wonder if the church is harboring these bad apples?
 
Each time when I read about such news, it is always disheartening. I have tried to avoid reading detail of the news. Whilst I understand some of the priests have been dead, I just wonder why in these abuse cases, priests were never punished legally. Priests like any other citizens, should be sent to prison and receive necessary counseling. I wonder if the church is harboring these bad apples?
Remember this was the early 1950’s and 1960s in many cases. This was the time that led to “free sex” and became the “free sex” generation of the the 60s. The subject of same sex molestation was taboo. Situations were quietly taken care of. The reporting of this crime was looked upon as further harming the child. The parents and courts hid the situation just like many religious (non-Catholic) communities still do.

The Catholic Church in many of the cases moved the priest and had him counseled. In some cases the priest was no longer allowed to work with children. In some cases they were sent to monasteries where they would not have no ability to further molest young people. Some were defrocked. Right or wrong this was the norm for all those that were accused of this horrific crime. Same-sex molestation/rape is a dirty secret in all of society.

Now society is correcting the situation. The Catholic Church is the most visible organization with deep pockets and thus is the target of this correction.

IMHO most of the original adults who came forward came forward for the good of others. Now the money tends to be the motive. As this is the society we live in.
 
It’s interesting to see the change in the amounts as the cases unfolded.
In Boston it was about $80,000 per victim in LA it’s over a Million
Obviously the award is more related to how much the lawyers think they can get than the crime itself.
Given the trend I would be afraid to be in a location that has not settled.
 
Money can’t fix the problem. And I still believe that the money is being used to cover up the issue. Sure, it has been brought to the light, but the Catholics are trying to put it in the dark agains by shelling out cash and acting like everything is fine and dandy.
This is one situation where I can say,
‘Judge not lest ye be judged’ !

So what do you suggest the problem should be fixed if not monetary?? I certainly don’t hear any of them dislike money.

Death sentence for all Catholics??

Will that make you and all involved happy !??
 
Money can’t fix the problem. And I still believe that the money is being used to cover up the issue. Sure, it has been brought to the light, but the Catholics are trying to put it in the dark agains by shelling out cash and acting like everything is fine and dandy.
News Flash! The Protestant churches have just as big a problem with sexual abuse. They keep it in the dark because they keep moving their pedofiles elsewhere. Beings as they are all de-centralized, they can cover up their dirty laundry pretty easy. So just what are you and your denomination doing about it?
 
This was a civil proceeding. In civil proceedings, money is used to remedy the harm done. That is how civil law works. No one ever said it was a perfect remedy, it is just a remedy.
And it stinks…The victims become victimizers. Who the heck do they think is paying for this? It’s me and Joe blow in the pew who did NOT abuse them. But they sure are bent on money and to heck with decency and honor. Obviously they have none. They just want money and whine.

Nobody ever said life was easy, but these folks turn a rotten thing into a bigger rotten apple by robbing the innocent people in the pew, to salve their poor wounded souls. :rolleyes:
 
And it stinks…The victims become victimizers. Who the heck do they think is paying for this? It’s me and Joe blow in the pew who did NOT abuse them. But they sure are bent on money and to heck with decency and honor. Obviously they have none. They just want money and whine.

Nobody ever said life was easy, but these folks turn a rotten thing into a bigger rotten apple by robbing the innocent people in the pew, to salve their poor wounded souls. :rolleyes:
Not that I would go this far. But, as a former victim of abuse by my mothers boyfriends, I do not feel money would ever have made me felt better. I am sorry for the victims in this case because they have reopened the wounds that should have healed by this time. No you can never make it go away. But you can get past it and get on with your life with God’s help.
 
Not that I would go this far. But, as a former victim of abuse by my mothers boyfriends, I do not feel money would ever have made me felt better. I am sorry for the victims in this case because they have reopened the wounds that should have healed by this time. No you can never make it go away. But you can get past it and get on with your life with God’s help.
Yes, that is true. I know about abuse too…been there, done that. That is another reason the big Bank Robbery in the name of victims of abuse irritates me no end. :mad:

It will not heal when they won’t let themselves heal. They have obviously chosen to victimize the church faithful to salve their wounds and it isn’t going to help a thing. I have little sympathy for bank robbers and sue minded people.

Everyone has suffered in some manner in their lives. It’s up to them to get over it and get on with life.

The liberal mindset is everyone should sue…no matter the fact it isn’t taking a penny from the wrong doers, just from the other people in the church.
 
It’s interesting to see the change in the amounts as the cases unfolded.
In Boston it was about $80,000 per victim in LA it’s over a Million
Obviously the award is more related to how much the lawyers think they can get than the crime itself.
Given the trend I would be afraid to be in a location that has not settled.
First, “the crime itself”, was rape of mostly adolescent post-pubescent young men. I think that’s a pretty serious crime.

Second, Los Angeles juries are notorious for awarding large amounts of money to plaintiffs in civil tort cases, so the payout was bound to be very large.

Third, Mahony would do almost anything to stay off the witness stand and keep his position as archbishop.

As a parishioner in LA, I was outraged not by the settlement, but by Mahony’s so-called apology that was issued this past Sunday, and his lack of personal contrition for his part in the scandal. He not only continued his predecessors’ policy of moving priests around who were known abusers and continuing the cover-up, he has used every legal strategy possible – all the way up to the US Supreme Court – to fight this case and prolong the scandal. However, he appears to have a coat of teflon and I will be very surprised, (but very pleased) if the Pope demands his resignation.
 
The Catholic Church has been infiltrated by individuals loyal to organizations bent on the destruction of Christianity. It is to be expected that Protestantism has also been so affected. This destruction has been planned some time back and has not gone unnoticed by some of the more awake members of the Church. Who is familiar with the article “The anti-Priests”?
For those interested in reading it here’s the link:
trosch.org/bks/commprie.htm
It is also feasible that these “moles” within the Churches were responsible for the acts that have now underminded the faith.
 
The Catholic Church has been infiltrated by individuals loyal to organizations bent on the destruction of Christianity. It is to be expected that Protestantism has also been so affected. This destruction has been planned some time back and has not gone unnoticed by some of the more awake members of the Church. Who is familiar with the article “The anti-Priests”?
For those interested in reading it here’s the link:
trosch.org/bks/commprie.htm
It is also feasible that these “moles” within the Churches were responsible for the acts that now undermine the faith.
 
The Catholic Church has been infiltrated by individuals loyal to organizations bent on the destruction of Christianity. It is to be expected that Protestantism has also been so affected. This destruction has been planned some time back and has not gone unnoticed by some of the more awake members of the Church. Who is familiar with the article “The anti-Priests”?
For those interested in reading it here’s the link:
trosch.org/bks/commprie.htm
It is also feasible that these “moles” within the Churches were responsible for the acts that now undermine the faith.
Seriously? John Paul II was a communist agent?

Oh, ok.
 
By Israel Shamir

The Catholic Church, the biggest apostolic church in the US, is under
heavy attack. The plotters had united media effort and legal machinery,
utilized American obsession with money, and given the Church the
treatment they gave tobacco industry, that is, suing it to oblivion. For
their chance to get thirty pieces of silver (over a million dollars, in
present prices), hundreds of American Catholics denounced their church.

This attack, followed by the ill-considered surrender of Los Angeles
Catholic bishops in the ‘abusing priests’ campaign, is a clear sign of
forthcoming war. This soap opera had a good run in the US media before
the Iraq invasion. It actually started while Sharon was besieging
Bethlehem and destroying Palestine in 2002. Then, all of a sudden,
hundreds of men and women in their forties had remembered that they were
abused some twenty years ago. It rose to a hysterical shriek in advance
of the Iraq invasion in 2003, and now it is playing again as a harbinger
of new hostilities. Whenever the forces of darkness prepare a new attack
on mankind, they use their considerable artillery to shut up the
potential resistance forces, starting with their avowed enemy, the
Church. This was the practice of the Third Reich as well: before
starting the war, they began their campaign of ‘priests as sex fiends’,
to force the church’s silence. Now this is the turn of the Fourth Reich:
the Church was against the war in Iraq; the Church was steadfast in her
defence of Palestine; the Church is certainly against the impending
attack on Iran; so she has to be put on defence. The same people who
control the US media call for war with Iran, and they are behind this
campaign against the Church.

Our enemies and the enemies of the Church concocted, through their
control of the media, a phantom of “abusive priests” and succeeded in
convincing the LA Bishops to take the bait of “final settlement”. Very
soon the bishops will discover that nothing is final when you submit to
their wishes. Surrender gets you nowhere. They could learn from the
Germans, who agreed to settle all Jewish claims for $1 billion (as
described by the chief Jewish negotiator Nahum Goldmann in his book The
Jewish Paradox, New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1978), eventually paid $60
billion to find out that they still own $180 billion, and now there is a
new suit to provide the children of the wartime sufferers with full
coverage of their shrink sessions. If there is a sucker who agrees to
pay, he won’t get a break from these fellows.
 
Israel,
You make it sound like none ot the priests did anything wrong. What about the ones who plead guilty and are now serving their just punishments…
 
SYRIAC ORTHODOX PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH IS THE ACTUAL SUCCESSOR OF ST. PETER

From Bible We Know That Our Lord Has Given The Authority To

St.peter. Our Lord Says That He Will Build His Church On

Peter.
In The First Centuries, Bishop Of Antioch Was Superior To

All The Other Bishops In Rome And Alexandria. His Territory

Extended To All The Then Known Parts Of The World. Entire

Persia, India, Middle East, China Was Under The Control Of

Patriarch Of Antioch. If We Go Through The Historical

Documents He Was Regarded As The Succesor Of St. Peter. We

Can See Around 7 Letters Written By Ignatius, Bishop Of

Antioch To 7 Churches.
In The First Centuries There Was A Dispute Between Rome And

Antioch About The Successor Of Peter. If We Check The Bible,

There Is Nothing Said About The Authority Of Pope Or Rome.

Even You Check The Letter Of Paul To Romans. Nothing Is

Mentioned About The Primacy Of Roman Church.
There Is No Evidence That Peter Had Gone To Rome.
From Bible We Can Find That It Is Paul Who Had Founded The

Church Of Rome.
In The 4th And Fifth Centuries, Because Of The Influence Of

Byzantine Emperors, A New Patriarch Emerged At

Constantinople. Then The Emperor Tried To Destroy The Church

At Antioch. The Gave The Superiority To Patriarch Of

Constantinople.
In 1451, The Council Of Chalcedon Declared That The Pope Of

Rome Leo Is The Succesosr Of Peter And Head Of The Church.
After All These Events, In The 5th Century The Patriarch Of

Antioch Severus Was Deposed By The Byzantine Emperor. Those

Persons Who Accepted Pope Of Rome As The Head Were Appointed

As Bishops Of Antioch.
If We Check The Tradition And Liturgy Of Churches In India

And Middle East, We Can See That They Are Following

Antichene Tradition.
As A Result Proclaiming The Superiority Of Patriarch Of

Antioch, Jacob A Bishop Appointed Sergius Of Tella As The

Bishop Of Antioch. The Jacobite Patriarchs Then Came. They

Are The Actual Head Of The Christian Church.
We Must Know That These Europeans Are Actually Barbarians.

They Have No Culture. Now Also We Can See This. It Is Sure

That These Americans And Europeans Are Engahged In Sex With

Many People Even Before 13 Years Of Age. It Means That They

Have A Barbarian Tradition. But They Are Controllingt The

Economy Of The Whole World. They Are Propagating The Pope Of

Rome As Successor Of Peter. That Is Necessary For Their

Superiority And Existence Of Economic Power.
We Must Know The Fact That The Entire Middle East, Persia

Was Christian Before The 6 Th Century. They Were Under

Patriarch Of Antioch. Because Of Many Wars And Attack Of

Islam, Forceful Conversion By Islam Christianity In Middle

East, Persia Have Got Destroyed. The Patriarch Of Antioch

Was Under The Supervision Of Islamic Rulers.
The Colonial Invasion By British, Portugese , Dutch ,french

Resulted In The Forceful Conversion Of Those Who Were Under

The Control Of Patriarch Of Antioch To Roman Pope.
For Example, Portugese Forcefully Converted Christians Under

Antioch In India To Rome. French Forcefully Converted

Christians In Iraq Under Antioch To Roman Pope.
Through These 2000 Years It Is The Patriarch Of Antioch Who

Suffered Most. He Was In Caves Or Forests For Many Centuries

In Fear Of European Powers, Muslims, Byzantines.
If We Look At The History Of Roman Popes , Many Had

Children, Many Had Married, Many Had Children Before

Marriage, Many Became Popes At The Age Of 12 Or 13.
The Documents Now Qwe Have Proclaiming The Authority Of

Rome, Are All Fake. They Are False Documents Created During

The Reign Of Charlemagne, The 8 Th Century Roman Emperor Who

Saved Rome From Muslims.
The Reason Why All Are Proclaiming The Roman Pope Is Money

Only. The Roman Catholics Are Getting A Large Amount Money

From Europe. The Patriarch Of Anticoh Has Nothing.
In Short , The Patriarch Of Antioch Is The Successsor Of St.

Peter And Head Of The Church.
Now The Roman Pope Is Benedict 16. He Is One Of The Great

Persons Living In This World. He Is One Of The Great

Scholars In This Century. He Knows The Fact That Anticoh

Patriarch Is The Actual Head. From His Moves, We Have Got

The Perception That Something Will Take Place Soon. All The

Bishops And Historians In This World Know The Fact That

Patriarch Of Antioch Is The Peter’s Successor.

But Money Can Make A False True.
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