LA Archdiocese gives Newsblast announcing nun who defied Vatican

[Caveman]

The first three paragraphs from The California Catholic Daily;

“Unity inspired by fear”
Nun who defied Vatican scheduled to speak in Los Angeles

In April, the Immaculate Heart Community in Los Angeles will host a lecture by a woman religious who, seven years ago, publicly ignored a Vatican disciplinary order.

Sister Christine Vladimiroff, prioress of the Benedictine Sisters of Erie, Pennsylvania, will deliver an Anita Caspary Lecture in Los Angeles on April 13, reported the March 19 “Justice and Peace Newsblast” of the Los Angeles archdiocese’s Office of Justice and Peace. (I know an endorsement when I see one)

In 2004, the Tidings, the archdiocese’s newspaper, reported in an article about a talk by Vladimiroff that the prioress had come into prominence in 2001 “**for opposing a Vatican directive **that one of its members, Sister Joan Chittister, not participate in a conference on women’s ordination.” (Hmmm… but her coming to LA rates a “Justice and Peace Newsblast” in the diocesan paper? Interesting.

 

[scott1228]

Well, the IHC in Los Angeles and the Archdiocese of Los Angeles are not known to be champions of orthodoxy. In fact the opposite.

However, you can still still find a few orthodox priests and religious in the area.

Scott

 

[PatrickJT914]

I do not know about who you speak of. However,you say that a nun defied the Vatican. Oh, really. Did not Archbishop Leferve and his group SPPX defied the Vatican and continue to do so?
Aren’t any ordinations from that group and other similiar
“Traditional”, “Orthodox” groups also in defience of the Vatican?:tsktsk: Isn’t this contributing to confusion of
our Catholic faithful as well as other Christians and non-Catholics?
Isn’t being defiant a tool of the Devil to deceive and separate? To
disagree with church teachings is one thing, to petition the Pope
and the Bishops to change things, is another thing. But to openly
defy is wrong. Including self-righteous who think Latin Masses are
“closer to God” (Do I detect a Pharisee mentality that Jesus cursed and condemned?) Just a thought. Sorry, to go a little off topic.

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

To my knowledge, the Immaculate Heart Community in Los Angeles is not Catholic. On their web site they describe themselves as an ecumenical Christian community. That being the case, why should they care what the Pope thinks about a speaker?

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

To my knowledge, the Immaculate Heart Community in Los Angeles is not Catholic. On their web site they describe themselves as an ecumenical Christian community. That being the case, why should they care what the Pope thinks about a speaker?

In looking at their website, they are Catholic. They have their own Catholic High School with the church. This is just what the local norms are for this parish to have a vibrant and open parish community.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

The first three paragraphs from The California Catholic Daily;

“Unity inspired by fear”
Nun who defied Vatican scheduled to speak in Los Angeles

In April, the Immaculate Heart Community in Los Angeles will host a lecture by a woman religious who, seven years ago, publicly ignored a Vatican disciplinary order.

Sister Christine Vladimiroff, prioress of the Benedictine Sisters of Erie, Pennsylvania, will deliver an Anita Caspary Lecture in Los Angeles on April 13, reported the March 19 “Justice and Peace Newsblast” of the Los Angeles archdiocese’s Office of Justice and Peace. (I know an endorsement when I see one)

In 2004, the Tidings, the archdiocese’s newspaper, reported in an article about a talk by Vladimiroff that the prioress had come into prominence in 2001 “**for opposing a Vatican directive **that one of its members, Sister Joan Chittister, not participate in a conference on women’s ordination.” (Hmmm… but her coming to LA rates a “Justice and Peace Newsblast” in the diocesan paper? Interesting.

I see nothing wrong with her coming to talk about peace and justice. The directive was on women’s ordination (still a viable issue but irrelevant to this thread). She is speaking on something else, and one statement from the Vatican is not a blanket blacklist. She is speaking along with the Vatican here.

 

[Caveman]

I do not know about who you speak of. However,you say that a nun defied the Vatican. Oh, really. Did not Archbishop Leferve and his group SPPX defied the Vatican and continue to do so?
Aren’t any ordinations from that group and other similiar
“Traditional”, “Orthodox” groups also in defience of the Vatican?:tsktsk: Isn’t this contributing to confusion of
our Catholic faithful as well as other Christians and non-Catholics?
Isn’t being defiant a tool of the Devil to deceive and separate? To
disagree with church teachings is one thing, to petition the Pope
and the Bishops to change things, is another thing. But to openly
defy is wrong. Including self-righteous who think Latin Masses are
“closer to God” (Do I detect a Pharisee mentality that Jesus cursed and condemned?) Just a thought. Sorry, to go a little off topic.

Patrick,
Why are you wetting yourself over the SSPX? What do they have to do with this openly schismatic and HERETICAL “nun”? Please don’t play a game of bait and switch. Stay on topic.

 

[Caveman]

To my knowledge, the Immaculate Heart Community in Los Angeles is not Catholic. On their web site they describe themselves as an ecumenical Christian community. That being the case, why should they care what the Pope thinks about a speaker?

How right you are. But I do find it rather disconcerting that the LA Archdiocesan paper gives them something as extravegant as a NewsBlast. Whatever that is.

 

[Caveman]

I see nothing wrong with her coming to talk about peace and justice. The directive was on women’s ordination (still a viable issue but irrelevant to this thread). She is speaking on something else, and one statement from the Vatican is not a blanket blacklist. She is speaking along with the Vatican here.

Someone who openly defys The Church by espousing heresy is to be avoided at all costs.

By their fruits, you shall know them. And bitter fruit at that.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Someone who openly defys The Church by espousing heresy is to be avoided at all costs.

By their fruits, you shall know them. And bitter fruit at that.

Yet it is not “heresy” as I see it. Disagreement on one issue and agreement on another does not mean a total shunning like is being attempted here.

 

[Caveman]

Yet it is not “heresy” as I see it. Disagreement on one issue and agreement on another does not mean a total shunning like is being attempted here.

Female “priests” is heresy. As we both know, it goes totally against what Our Lord and our Church have taught.

The nun in question should have obeyed this rather simple and basic directive… but she didn’t. She chose to give covert approval to a heretical act.

As the old saying goes – if you lie with dogs, don’t be shocked when you come down with fleas.

 

[Dale_M]

In looking at their website, they are Catholic.

They used to be. But they had a falling out with the Vatican and severed ties. This is from the website of Anita Caspary:

Anita Caspary’s award winning book chronicles the struggle of how the IHM sisters severed their ties to the Vatican and created an independent ecumenical community … meticulously researched, carefully documented, and beautifully written by Caspary, it is a must read. James F. Shannon, former auxiliary bishop of St. Paul/Minneapolis

anitacaspary.com/

In looking up the book on Amazon.com, I see that Anita Caspary was named Mother Humiliata at the time of IHM’s falling out with Cardinal McIntyre. Her book is a memoir of the controversy - she apparently was leader of the IHM nuns when things blew up.

Oh, Caveman, according to the Archdiocese’s website, the “Justice and Peace News Blast is a free periodic newsletter. It contains the latest information from the Justice and Peace ministry.”
newsletters.la-archdiocese.org/?nl=jpnewsblast&i=3186

 

[Dale_M]

In looking at their website, they are Catholic. :

Nope, but they used to be. Apparently they had a falling out with Cardinal McIntyre back around 1970, which eventually worked its way up to the Vatican… after which they severed ties.

This is from the website of the person the lecture series is named after:

Anita Caspary’s award winning book chronicles the struggle of how the IHM sisters severed their ties to the Vatican and created an independent ecumenical community … meticulously researched, carefully documented, and beautifully written by Caspary, it is a must read. James F. Shannon, former auxiliary bishop of St. Paul/Minneapolis

anitacaspary.com/

Anita Caspary headed the IHM nuns back then, under the name Mother Humiliata.

Caveman, according to the archdiocese website the “Justice and Peace News Blast is a free periodic newsletter. It contains the latest information from the Justice and Peace ministry.”
newsletters.la-archdiocese.org/?nl=jpnewsblast&i=3186

 

[PatrickJT914]

Patrick,
Why are you wetting yourself over the SSPX? What do they have to do with this openly schismatic and HERETICAL “nun”? Please don’t play a game of bait and switch. Stay on topic.

Caveman,
You’re right, why bother with SSPX. I suppose I wanted to
vent. There were many times I wanted to post about issues, but
for various reasons I didn’t until recently. And this is one topic that
interests me. The whole issue about “Traditional” vs. “New Mass”
or contemporary Catholicism.
With that being said. Again let me state I was not too
familiar with nun in question. But back to the topic. I personally do agree that women should not be priests for a few reasons. I
won’t go into them, partially because they probably have been
covered here on the Forum. Unless, if you or somebody would be
interested in IMHO.
Although, I said I don’t agree with women becoming
priests. I wonder what about when 72 disciples went out 2 x 2
the bible really say do much about their gender. Did it? What
about Mary Magdalene?

Whoops, I have to take a bus to be somewhere, so I’ll have to
finish this later.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Female “priests” is heresy. As we both know, it goes totally against what Our Lord and our Church have taught.

The nun in question should have obeyed this rather simple and basic directive… but she didn’t. She chose to give covert approval to a heretical act.

As the old saying goes – if you lie with dogs, don’t be shocked when you come down with fleas.

And she is not speaking on this topic, she is talking about other topics in social justice. Assuming Dale’s information is true, the Church is not even a part of the LA Diocese.

Still, one disagreement is not a matter for a complete shunning. She still follows the Church’s position on Social Justice matters, which she is speaking on.

 

[scott1228]

Don’t be surprised by anything printed in the Tidings.

Cardinal McIntyre was a faithful son of the church.

I don’t want to speak ill of prelates here, but let’s just say I feel for the orthodox Catholics in Los Angeles. They bear a heavy cross!

Let’s face it. The Catholic Church in the states, and other places, is in a mess. The laity needs to get educated so that when someone tries to pull the wool over their eyes that will recognized them for the wolves they are.

The good news is that orthodox religious orders still get new vocations. Please support them with your prayers and money.

Scott

 

[irenaeus1]

Still, one disagreement is not a matter for a complete shunning. She still follows the Church’s position on Social Justice matters, which she is speaking on.

That’s not necessarily true. If a Catholic (or ex-Catholic) defied the Vatican on the teaching of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist but still followed the Church’s teaching regarding the Trinity, I would shun them regarding ANY teaching, even if they were speaking on the Trinity, precisely because they have lost my trust in their ability to faithfully teach.