LA gets three new auxiliary bishops, including Fr. Robert Barron [CNA]

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To my dismay no one seems to recall that Fr. Robert Barron is an unrepentant heretic who espouses the Von Balthasar “Empty Hell” Theology. How a promotion would be a good thing is beyond me. Let’s pray for Fr. Barron and many other Catholics who uphold this doctrine of devils. Pax.
 
Is it yet known which pastoral regions the bishops-elect will be assigned to? There are two pastoral regions in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles that do not currently have a bishop (Santa Barbara and San Gabriel) and the auxiliary bishop of the San Fernando pastoral region is retiring. Bishop-elect Joseph Brennan grew up in the San Fernando Valley (Van Nuys and Sherman Oaks, to be specific ), so he might become the auxiliary bishop of the San Fernando pastoral region. Since I live in the San Gabriel Valley, I think that it might be nice if Bishop-elect Barron were to assigned to the San Gabriel pastoral region 😉

This is a good day for the Church in Los Angeles. God grant Bishops-elect Barron, Brennan and O’Connell many years! 👍
 
PizzatheHut said:
To my dismay no one seems to recall that Fr. Robert Barron is an unrepentant heretic who espouses the Von Balthasar “Empty Hell” Theology. How a promotion would be a good thing is beyond me. Let’s pray for Fr. Barron and many other Catholics who uphold this doctrine of devils. Pax.
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Nonsense!

The idea behind, “Dare We Hope… That All Men Be Saved,” thoughtfully put forth by von Balthasar and seconded by Barron is a proposal which we are free to ponder and yes, even hope for.

What is heretical is the certainty held by some people who are absolutely convinced that hell is chock full of countless souls, many of whom these same people would be more than happy to identify!
 
christofirst said:
Nonsense!

The idea behind, “Dare We Hope… That All Men Be Saved,” thoughtfully put forth by von Balthasar and seconded by Barron is a proposal which we are free to ponder and yes, even hope for.

What is heretical is the certainty held by some people who are absolutely convinced that hell is chock full of countless souls, many of whom these same people would be more than happy to identify!
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Well… you’re right that he’s not a heretic. But he is a bit heterodox on the issue. Von Balthasar was trying to get as close to Universalism without stepping over the line into heresy. He had to divise a very strange theology to support the concept. But the Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, as well as the Saints throughout history, do not support the view whatsoever. I don’t know why the Holy Spirit chose to reveal some new truth to Von Balthasar that he contradicted to all of His past saints. Very strange, though you’re correct that it’s technically not a dogmatically declared heresy. Though the same can be said of a gazillion other heterodox ahistorical beliefs.

edit: Btw, I like Robert Barron and wish him the best of luck. I just wish he’d be more orthodox on this particular issue.
 
A little OT, but literally a day or two ago, I was watching some of Fr. Barron’s videos and thought “I wonder if they’ll ever make this guy a bishop?” Well, it didn’t take too long, did it?
 
KEP1983 said:
Well… you’re right that he’s not a heretic. But he is a bit heterodox on the issue. Von Balthasar was trying to get as close to Universalism without stepping over the line into heresy. He had to divise a very strange theology to support the concept. But the Scriptures and Sacred Tradition, as well as the Saints throughout history, do not support the view whatsoever. I don’t know why the Holy Spirit chose to reveal some new truth to Von Balthasar that he contradicted to all of His past saints. Very strange, though you’re correct that it’s technically not a dogmatically declared heresy. Though the same can be said of a gazillion other heterodox ahistorical beliefs.

edit: Btw, I like Robert Barron and wish him the best of luck. I just wish he’d be more orthodox on this particular issue.
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“No longer only private individuals but the Church itself, in its official responsibility, tells us that he is right in what he teaches of the faith.” – Cardinal Ratzinger

“Hans Urs von Balthasar, one of the greatest theologians of the 20th century…” – Pope Benedict XVI

“…how can we not remember the teaching of a great theologian from your Country, the late Hans Urs von Balthasar?” – Pope Benedict XVI

“The example that von Balthasar has given us is, rather, that of a true theologian who in contemplation had discovered a consistent course of action for giving Christian witness in the world. We remember him on this important occasion as a man of faith, a priest who, in obedience and in a hidden life, never sought personal approval, but rather in the true Ignatian spirit always desired the greater glory of God.” – Pope Benedict XVI

Not that I necessarily support von Balthasar’s proposal, but I don’t think anyone on this board is qualified to call von Balthasar heterodox.
 
CrossofChrist said:
“No longer only private individuals but the Church itself, in its official responsibility, tells us that he is right in what he teaches of the faith.” – Cardinal Ratzinger

“Hans Urs von Balthasar, one of the greatest theologians of the 20th century…” – Pope Benedict XVI

“…how can we not remember the teaching of a great theologian from your Country, the late Hans Urs von Balthasar?” – Pope Benedict XVI

“The example that von Balthasar has given us is, rather, that of a true theologian who in contemplation had discovered a consistent course of action for giving Christian witness in the world. We remember him on this important occasion as a man of faith, a priest who, in obedience and in a hidden life, never sought personal approval, but rather in the true Ignatian spirit always desired the greater glory of God.” – Pope Benedict XVI

Not that I necessarily support von Balthasar’s proposal, but I don’t think anyone on this board is qualified to call von Balthasar heterodox.
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Just because Balthasar was an overall good priest doesn’t mean Benedict agrees with everything he taught. Besides, those statements are not an act of canonization or infallible teaching and thus can be erroneous.

Are either pope Benedict or von Balthasar a doctor of the church? Because the doctors of the church are practically unanimous in their denial of anything even close to universalism. They’re all united in the few number of the saved. When von Balthasar becomes a doctor of the church then I’ll take his opinion on this seriously.
 
KEP1983 said:
Just because Balthasar was an overall good priest doesn’t mean Benedict agrees with everything he taught. Besides, those statements are not an act of canonization or infallible teaching and thus can be erroneous.

Are either pope Benedict or von Balthasar a doctor of the church? Because the doctors of the church are practically unanimous in their denial of anything even close to universalism. They’re all united in the few number of the saved. When von Balthasar becomes a doctor of the church then I’ll take his opinion on this seriously.
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Just as I am free to accept von Balthasar’s proposal, you are free to reject it, for now. At least you have the decency and knowledge to refrain from calling either von Balthasar or bishop-elect Barron a heretic, which is what got me all worked up yesterday. Happily, I know you join me in praying for our new bishops, and as to the salvation question, we will both find out who was right soon enough! Let’s pray for each other while we can!
 
KEP1983 said:
Just because Balthasar was an overall good priest doesn’t mean Benedict agrees with everything he taught. Besides, those statements are not an act of canonization or infallible teaching and thus can be erroneous.

Are either pope Benedict or von Balthasar a doctor of the church? Because the doctors of the church are practically unanimous in their denial of anything even close to universalism. They’re all united in the few number of the saved. When von Balthasar becomes a doctor of the church then I’ll take his opinion on this seriously.
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That’s ridiculous! To say that the Doctors of the Church are “unanimous” in regards to the few who are saved is poppycock.

Most of the Doctors of the Church never even spoke or wrote on this matter.

Perhaps, for some reason that few are saved is your hope, but that doesn’t make this notion true one iota.

The Church has never stated that anyone has been condemned to Hell. . . . . period. . . .

The Church has only stated those who are with God in Paradise.
 
Diamantina said:
This is a good day for the Church in Los Angeles. God grant Bishops-elect Barron, Brennan and O’Connell many years! 👍
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It is, and I take it from your reply that you’ve had some exposure to Eastern Catholicism.

Eastern custom would also proclaim “Axios!” (worthy), in approval.

Hope you get your wish, and may God grant you many years!
 
dans0622 said:
Hello,

He can certainly continue his short video commentary and homilies, articles, etc., but the big projects (multi-part video series) would seem to be more difficult to manage.

Dan
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Maybe, maybe not. I guess I always assume that when someone like Fr. Barron (or Scott Hahn or Karl Keating or Mother Angelica) starts up a Catholic apostolate, it is so that they can enlist the help of others in carrying on their work. No doubt Fr. Barron will be busy with his new assignment, but I’m sure he was pretty busy as rector of a seminary, too.
 
KEP1983 said:
Just because Balthasar was an overall good priest doesn’t mean Benedict agrees with everything he taught. Besides, those statements are not an act of canonization or infallible teaching and thus can be erroneous.

Are either pope Benedict or von Balthasar a doctor of the church? Because the doctors of the church are practically unanimous in their denial of anything even close to universalism. They’re all united in the few number of the saved. When von Balthasar becomes a doctor of the church then I’ll take his opinion on this seriously.
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CrossofChrist’s point was not to imply that Benedict agrees with Von Balthasar’s theological proposal. It was to illustrate that Benedict holds him in high regard and does not consider him a heretic. If he has not declared him so, why should we?

Theologians can disagree with each other with neither one being a heretic. Has anyone here actually read what Von Balthasar wrote on this topic? It seems the common practice is to lump him in with the universalists and then call him a heretic because universalism is wrong. That just shows me they don’t understand what Von Balthasar is actually saying. 🤷
 
Joe_5859 said:
Maybe, maybe not. I guess I always assume that when someone like Fr. Barron (or Scott Hahn or Karl Keating or Mother Angelica) starts up a Catholic apostolate, it is so that they can enlist the help of others in carrying on their work. No doubt Fr. Barron will be busy with his new assignment, but I’m sure he was pretty busy as rector of a seminary, too.
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Hello,

I have no idea what will happen, certainly, but an auxiliary bishop has an obligation of residence in the diocese and is not supposed to be absent for more than one month (c. 410). Prior to this, he did not have an obligation of residence (in Chicago). That being said, I suppose he could be dispensed from this requirement by the diocesan bishop.

Dan
 
dans0622 said:
Hello,

I have no idea what will happen, certainly, but an auxiliary bishop has an obligation of residence in the diocese and is not supposed to be absent for more than one month (c. 410). Prior to this, he did not have an obligation of residence (in Chicago). That being said, I suppose he could be dispensed from this requirement by the diocesan bishop.

Dan
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Makes sense. Did his previous videos take him on the road for more than a month at a time?
 
“More souls go to Hell because of the sins of the flesh than for any other reason.” Our Lady of Fatima

Let’s just agree that Fr. Barron’s opinion is not doctrine. Here’s hoping he does very well in his new position. California deserves a break.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Makes sense. Did his previous videos take him on the road for more than a month at a time?
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The legitimate absence can be up to a month total, during the course of a year, whether it is a continuous period of time or not. I don’t really know how long he has been away from his domicile in the past…

At any rate, this is something he can work out with the archbishop…keeping in mind that the purpose of an auxiliary bishop is to help the diocesan bishop meet the pastoral needs of the diocese (c. 403).

Dan
 
Congratulations to (the soon to be) His Excellency!

I’m curious though, does this mean he’ll be able to provide for his own Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat from now on? 😃
 
Brandon_Cal said:
Congratulations to (the soon to be) His Excellency!

I’m curious though, does this mean he’ll be able to provide for his own Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat from now on? 😃
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Let us be a little more congratulative, reflective, and joyful and a little less ridiculous…on the other hand why would One pay everyone the same wage for variied times of work? :rolleyes:
 
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