La ilaha illAllah - No God except Allah?

[cathopologist]

It is your duty to explain the present age of your God. He was born on earth.

You have not even performed your duty as a pious Ahmadi to answer questions brought forward by us. You have also disregarded what i found about the Sabians, i see. If such allegations were thrown at Christians, they would have the decency and obligation to make rebuttals.

 

[R_not]

It is your duty to explain the present age of your God. He was born on earth.

It is no one’s duty to do any such thing. For a people who claim that God can do anything - why is it so impossible that Jesus was born? And for all the illogic that I have read on these posts about islam - why is it so hard to believe that God couldn’t become man and also be God of the Universe?

Just because you can’t do more than one thing at a time, don’t tell God that God cannot!

God created this Universe, which to me, would be much more of a feat than being able to do two things at once!

I keep thinking of more things - the reason why there are no miracles associated with allah, or mohammed, is because allah is based on a moon god and also a pantheon of other gods and goddesses. mohammed just took out the others, but then that only leaves allah - who is a MOON god! The MOON only revolves around the earth - that is it! That is why it is impossible for you to think that God could do more than one thing at a time. mohammed couldn’t fathom that either because he was used to having a god, or goddess, to do this or to do that. And as islam progressed in mohammed’s mind - it became even more warped with death, greed (looting and enslaving), sex, etc.

 

[planten]

It is no one’s duty to do any such thing. For a people who claim that God can do anything - why is it so impossible that Jesus was born? And for all the illogic that I have read on these posts about islam - why is it so hard to believe that God couldn’t become man and also be God of the Universe?

Just because you can’t do more than one thing at a time, don’t tell God that God cannot!

God created this Universe, which to me, would be much more of a feat than being able to do two things at once!

I keep thinking of more things - the reason why there are no miracles associated with allah, or mohammed, is because allah is based on a moon god and also a pantheon of other gods and goddesses. mohammed just took out the others, but then that only leaves allah - who is a MOON god! The MOON only revolves around the earth - that is it! That is why it is impossible for you to think that God could do more than one thing at a time. mohammed couldn’t fathom that either because he was used to having a god, or goddess, to do this or to do that. And as islam progressed in mohammed’s mind - it became even more warped with death, greed (looting and enslaving), sex, etc.

**The present christianity has been full developed with the support of the pagan Greeks who had many gods. We do not have any Moon days and Sun days. Your pagan religion is visible from a long distance.

Muhammad taught " There is no God but Allah". Do youhave any such statement with you?
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[Mike_Dye]

It is no one’s duty to do any such thing. For a people who claim that God can do anything - why is it so impossible that Jesus was born? And for all the illogic that I have read on these posts about islam - why is it so hard to believe that God couldn’t become man and also be God of the Universe?

Just because you can’t do more than one thing at a time, don’t tell God that God cannot!

God created this Universe, which to me, would be much more of a feat than being able to do two things at once!

I keep thinking of more things - the reason why there are no miracles associated with allah, or mohammed, is because allah is based on a moon god and also a pantheon of other gods and goddesses. mohammed just took out the others, but then that only leaves allah - who is a MOON god! The MOON only revolves around the earth - that is it! That is why it is impossible for you to think that God could do more than one thing at a time. mohammed couldn’t fathom that either because he was used to having a god, or goddess, to do this or to do that. And as islam progressed in mohammed’s mind - it became even more warped with death, greed (looting and enslaving), sex, etc.

Yeah, I always wondered about that

 

[R_not]

**The present christianity has been full developed with the support of the pagan Greeks who had many gods. We do not have any Moon days and Sun days. Your pagan religion is visible from a long distance.

Muhammad taught " There is no God but Allah". Do youhave any such statement with you?
**

The names of the week have nothing to do with Christianity. They are the names of the week. the more you post the more weird your posts are getting!

I find it ironic you don’t like monday - you could use it to worship the moon god, allah!

Do we need a statement? Why? Do you guys keep forgetting? Why do you keep forgetting? I could forget ‘it’ real easily - maybe that is why you need a statement so people are reminded against all reason that you worship a moon god, allah!

 

[Analyzer]

Then you must remember that the Bible relates the story of Adam’s CREATION in the book of Genesis and never teaches that Adam was born of God! It is unbelievable that you are still resorting to lies and denial when everything is so clear!

**Are you sure Bible never teaches you that Adam was born of God? Amazing.

From Islamic standpoint, Adam was created by God Almighty. But (atleast from one synoptic) Gospel’s standpoint, Adam** is ‘the Son of God’.

As per St. Luke (Chapter 3), prior to Jesus’ ministry, when "all the people had been baptized and Jesus also had been baptized and when Jesus was praying, heaven was opened and the holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

( Here I am amazed to know that If Jesus himself was God (as per your Trinity dogma), how his VOICE was coming from Heaven to him while he was on earth? Whose voice was it, BTW, if Jesus himself was God?
Does it make any sense to say that God was prayig to himself? Does is it also make any sense for God to call ownself and self-praised by saying "“You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”? )

Then Luke tells us:

23 When Jesus began his ministry he was about thirty years of age. He was the son, as was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,

24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, … … …

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan,

38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. – Luke 3

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In this geneology of Jesus (which is different from Matthews’ though…you can see the whole of it, in your Bible), Adam is mentioned as 'the son of God" and not “the creation of God”.

Then Matthew informs us that Jesus says:

9 Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. —Matthew 23:9

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From this it is so clear that the Father in heaven is our Father too and since we all are progeny of Adam, thus again, Adam was the Son of God.

Now are you going to reject your Gospels as well by saying: Catholic Gospels too are unbelievable that resort to lies when everything was clear from the OT that Adam was created?

Now let’s see how you deny/reject your own Gospels which clearly to you tells a blatant lie.​

( Note: The Biblical quotes are taken from your Vatican’s site ( from the Catholic The New American Bible )

 

[Khalfan]

i didn’t ask a question. I replied to your statement about what we “care” about.

What you care about is exact word God told the mother of Moses when I am repeating we don’t have to go into the exact recunstruction of event in order get the exact words but to understand the concept from the details from the history given. Our faith is not relied upon that exact words God utterd to her. But in th case of Jesus (a) and the recunstruction of the exact event I asking for is valid as far as the Christian claims these situations to rely their faith upon.

you are using this argument to reach to Jesus’ divinity that’s why i asked directly " how can you argument disprove who the evangelists say Jesus is"?

It is because of the very evangelical records and the development we see of the person, ‘Jesus’ if we read through Mark to John, side by side. If Jesus (a) is rebuked in the early gospel, he is worshiped in the later gospels. If he healed many, he healed all in later gospels. If he is limited in knowledge, he is all knowing in later gospels. If he is praying to save him from the cross, he is not praying in the later gospel. If he was complaining why God forsake him on the cross, he is not doing so in the later gospel. These developments surely do point a very human version of Jesus (a), like the muslims do believe he was.

we know that to be inspired does not render you a robot and the evidence are all the Biblical prophets…each writes differently, in his own style and according to his own time and audience sometimes using expressions/prophecies peculiar only to him…an inspired prophet still uses his language, idioms, expressions, his backround and the background of his audiance to communicate a truth that is why you will never find 2 prophets writing the same.

I agree. I am asking about the spritual inspiration. What is the significans of the spiritual inspiration in the gospels?

are you sure you discussed it with me? why should i prove that God is complete without his wisdom? God and his Wisdom are one.

Christians do believe Jesus (a) is the wisdom of God, right?

and it is eternal and uncreated…2 gods, or 1 God?

You answered it already. God and his Wisdom are one. Which means God is one and wisdom is part of him/his oneness. Without wisdom or wisdom being a different entity, makes God incomplete.

 

[Analyzer]

God and his Wisdom are one.

**If God and His Wisdom are one, is Wisdom something like those “three distinct persons” of your Trinity dogma, who too are one?

Or only “three persons” of your Trinity are One.? And ‘Wisdom’ is out of the equation? If so, then in what sense your God and Wisdom are one?

Since you are talking about ‘Widsom of God’, what about ‘foolishness’ and ‘weakness’ of God, then?? Because as per Paul:

22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,

23 but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

24 but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25 For the foolishness of God** is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. — 1 Corinthians 1:22-25

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[R_not]

Even if you want to assert that Jesus was a man - of which I do not agree - but let us compare mohammed and Jesus and you will see why I look at mohammed as a very, despicable character.

Jesus foretold a nasty character coming after Him - and He told us about him.
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Here are some differences:
Jesus - no slaves
Muhammad - slaves
**Jesus **- did not tell us to steal, did not rape
Muhammad - booty, and rape
Jesus - kind to children
Muhammad - enslaved, raped and slaughtered children
Jesus/bible - “Love your wife”
Muhammad - “Beat your wife.”
Jesus - “Be kind to your enemies.”
Muhammad - “Be ruthless to your enemies.”
Jesus/bible - “Thy shall not kill.”
Muhammad - “Kill unbelievers wherever you find them.”
Jesus/bible - “Value the truth, do not lie.”
Muhammad - “Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.”

I would say that going back to the basics in each of these two is like day and night. Jesus is the light of the world and mohammed is the night, the dark and islam has a symbol of the night - a crescent moon (for their moon god) and star.

Now I am totally aware that the description of Jesus is what muslims look on as weak and that is why they have, in so many lands, have found that slaughtering Christians so easy to do. And of course, when the Christians do fight back all we hear is whining and claiming victimhood - but that is what they do - they use their own dead as propaganda and they feel that killing is ok for muslims to do but not for an infidel to defend themselves and fight back. This goes down to the basics of islam - jihad.

Centrality of Jihad in islam
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[R_not]

The difference between what Christ taught and mohammed are also different in what He brought to us. He brought to us the Kingdom of God, not a kingdom on earth. That is what mohammed is striving for - some sort of kingdom on earth. And we see that the muslim countries that exist now that those countries are rife with violence, backwardness and human rights atrocities. He even distorts Jesus and uses him in some sicko plan that Jesus will come down and kill those who are not muslims.

And they are told this is what a god wants - for them to kill, torture, enslave, rape, beat, loot, etc his own creatures? We see that even many muslims find this harsh, these laws - sharia laws that rule the peoples - abominable.

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there are more - there are some muslims against sharia laws. I still don’t know why they would want to follow such a despicable character as mohammed, but we can’t expect everything all at once, I suppose.

So, no there is no god such as allah. mohammed made him up as he lived. The more distorted mohammed became so did allah, his alter ego.

 

[planten]

The names of the week have nothing to do with Christianity. They are the names of the week. the more you post the more weird your posts are getting!

I find it ironic you don’t like monday - you could use it to worship the moon god, allah!

Do we need a statement? Why? Do you guys keep forgetting? Why do you keep forgetting? I could forget ‘it’ real easily - maybe that is why you need a statement so people are reminded against all reason that you worship a moon god, allah!

**You have something to do with the sun and the moon (Your Sun Days and Moon days) have definite link to your pagan origin.
At the same time may I say that you worship the cross.? The cross which is in reality the enemy of Jesus, an item on which Jesus was punished. You carry it as a symbol and worship it? Do You?. Why are you after the moon so much. We do not worship any one except Allah, the creator of the Sun and the moon and the planets, all things.

You worship a simple man of God,jesus and the cross which was used to crush Jesus. I would never go near the cross with any respect. It is not a good thing to be happily carried.

You have wrongly accused Muslims for worshipping moon god. I have presented your enemy (cross) to you.
**

 

[planten]

Even if you want to assert that Jesus was a man - of which I do not agree - but let us compare mohammed and Jesus and you will see why I look at mohammed as a very, despicable character.

Jesus foretold a nasty character coming after Him - and He told us about him.

And that was paul who came in the name of Jesus and reversed all his good teachings. We know all about him.

Here are some differences:
Jesus - no slaves
Muhammad - slaves
**Jesus **- did not tell us to steal, did not rape
Muhammad - booty, and rape
Jesus - kind to children
Muhammad - enslaved, raped and slaughtered children
Jesus/bible - “Love your wife”
Muhammad - “Beat your wife.”
Jesus - “Be kind to your enemies.”
Muhammad - “Be ruthless to your enemies.”
Jesus/bible - “Thy shall not kill.”
Muhammad - “Kill unbelievers wherever you find them.”
Jesus/bible - “Value the truth, do not lie.”
Muhammad - “Allah is the greatest of all deceivers.”

** You are judging the way you like it. That is not the reality

1. Jesus had secret affairs. Remember the name of Mary Magd. And the dirty oil that she poured on the head of Jesus. That oil was not bought of pure money. It was earned by illicit means.
2. Jesus said “Thou shall not kill (me).”
3. Muhammad said , “If you kill one innocent person then you hve killed the whole mankind.” But he aslo advised to kill the hostile type rascals. That is also a service to humanity which Jesus lacked.
4. But Jesus did not know about jacob who lied to his father to steal the bessings. Where was the truth?
5. Jesus was a most humble servant of God, same as Moses and Muhammad. He was prayingthe same God of Moses and muhammad all his life ( very short preaching span, only three years,)
6. Jesus could not achieve anything, however he tried. He had to disappear from the scene suddenly and never to be seen again in that area. That was not a manly or godly thing to do. What was the hurry? If he could get up once (and beat death), he could always do it again and again. So why did he run away,

Mind youit is all in your own good bible. Nothing of those bad things in the Quran. Now you compare the work of Muhammad (23 years struggle) and the (three years) walk and talk of Jesus…**

 

[R_not]

**You have something to do with the sun and the moon (Your Sun Days and Moon days) have definite link to your pagan origin.
At the same time may I say that you worship the cross.? The cross which is in reality the enemy of Jesus, an item on which Jesus was punished. You carry it as a symbol and worship it? Do You?. Why are you after the moon so much. We do not worship any one except Allah, the creator of the Sun and the moon and the planets, all things.

You worship a simple man of God,jesus and the cross which was used to crush Jesus. I would never go near the cross with any respect. It is not a good thing to be happily carried.

You have wrongly accused Muslims for worshipping moon god. I have presented your enemy (cross) to you.
**

We don’t worship the cross. In fact, in the early days of Christianity it was still being used to kill people that the early Christians did not even use it as a symbol. Well, yeah we already know you worship not only a stone - but the moon too since that is what your allah really is.

So, should we abhor a sword since so many Christians have died by muslim’s swords?

My enemy is not a cross. Nor is it a sword or any tool - my enemy is Satan. While I believe that Satan had a great deal to do with islam because any group of people who could twist killing, looting, lying, raping, enslaving, etc into a ‘godly’ desire does certainly have something wrong with it. Especially since those are the things associated with doing evil. But, like I said since mohammed did and sanctioned those things - he had to redefine sin and evil. Ironic that men think that a mere human being should redefine sin, but they do.

Since you are unable to learn or accept anything we say to you and keep on repeating it - I would say ‘tit for tat’. Anyway, with what muslims do to that stone - that is downright worship. And yes, allah was a moon god - as was mohammed’s pagan religion was indeed allah the moon god as a head of a pantheon of gods and goddesses.

As for the names of the week. Geez, what do muslims call them? Moonday1, Moonday2, Moonday3, etc? How boring. so, what do you call them - and I don’t know Arabic so translate them for me. I was told by another muslim they use the same names and this argument is silly. If you are associating the days of the week to Christianity - that is a new one on me. I was born a Catholic and raised a Catholic and never did I learn that the days of the week were a part of being a Christian, or a Catholic. Christianity has Jewish origins. Since you don’t even know your own origins of islam, I wouldn’t expect you to know the origins of Christianity either.

Since you are using those same names for the names then that is telling me with your logic that you have Greek pagan beginnings along with the hanif pagan beginnings. hhmm, interesting. I use your logic to things and it becomes even more interesting.

Since mohammed was an illiterate and the koran and hadiths are a mish mash of people’s memories it is no wonder they messed up the Bible and its stories. too bad you muslims can’t figure that out for yourselves and then when you are told about it you don’t even do any research into it to find out that what we are telling you is true.

No, allah wasn’t a god but it was indeed a moon. Hence the crescent moon and star. A ‘religion’ of the night - darkness - not a ‘religion’ of enlightenment, but of carnal lusts and base human emotions such as greed, lust, arrogance, etc. Its own heaven is described as an orgy of raping women and little boys.

 

[planten]

We don’t worship the cross. In fact, in the early days of Christianity it was still being used to kill people that the early Christians did not even use it as a symbol. Well, yeah we already know you worship not only a stone - but the moon too since that is what your allah really is.

So, should we abhor a sword since so many Christians have died by muslim’s swords?

My enemy is not a cross. Nor is it a sword or any tool - my enemy is Satan. While I believe that Satan had a great deal to do with islam because any group of people who could twist killing, looting, lying, raping, enslaving, etc into a ‘godly’ desire does certainly have something wrong with it. Especially since those are the things associated with doing evil. But, like I said since mohammed did and sanctioned those things - he had to redefine sin and evil. Ironic that men think that a mere human being should redefine sin, but they do.

Since you are unable to learn or accept anything we say to you and keep on repeating it - I would say ‘tit for tat’. Anyway, with what muslims do to that stone - that is downright worship. And yes, allah was a moon god - as was mohammed’s pagan religion was indeed allah the moon god as a head of a pantheon of gods and goddesses.

As for the names of the week. Geez, what do muslims call them? Moonday1, Moonday2, Moonday3, etc? How boring. so, what do you call them - and I don’t know Arabic so translate them for me. I was told by another muslim they use the same names and this argument is silly. If you are associating the days of the week to Christianity - that is a new one on me. I was born a Catholic and raised a Catholic and never did I learn that the days of the week were a part of being a Christian, or a Catholic. Christianity has Jewish origins. Since you don’t even know your own origins of islam, I wouldn’t expect you to know the origins of Christianity either.

Since you are using those same names for the names then that is telling me with your logic that you have Greek pagan beginnings along with the hanif pagan beginnings. hhmm, interesting. I use your logic to things and it becomes even more interesting.

Since mohammed was an illiterate and the koran and hadiths are a mish mash of people’s memories it is no wonder they messed up the Bible and its stories. too bad you muslims can’t figure that out for yourselves and then when you are told about it you don’t even do any research into it to find out that what we are telling you is true.

No, allah wasn’t a god but it was indeed a moon. Hence the crescent moon and star. A ‘religion’ of the night - darkness - not a ‘religion’ of enlightenment, but of carnal lusts and base human emotions such as greed, lust, arrogance, etc. Its own heaven is described as an orgy of raping women and little boys.

**According to bible, satan tempted Jesus and took him around for 40 days. That was bad enough. Chritsians think that was a good thing… Surely not. It is surprising that the Devil is tempting and trying a god. We never heard before that Devil could come near God? Your god is a funny god.

1.He is tempted by the Devil. ( Thanks for reminding us).
2. Your God prays too. We never heard of any god praying.
3. Your god dies too nd goes to hell for three days. (Surpirse)
Forget about our Allah. Please look after your god.

According to our Quran, Devil never came near Jesus or Mary or Muhammad. So we are happy.
**

 

[Angelos]

Are you sure Bible never teaches you that Adam was born of God? Amazing.

From Islamic standpoint, Adam was created by God Almighty. But (atleast from one synoptic) Gospel’s standpoint, Adam is ‘the Son of God’.

It is amazing that you are still prating and resorting to lies about the Gospels no matter how many times (innumerable now!) your silly allegations and false accusations have been debunked by us Christians here. LOL

Since the Gospel of Luke neither relates the account of Adam’s creation in Genesis nor denies it, your argument is baseless and senseless. You have lost another round!

As per St. Luke (Chapter 3), prior to Jesus’ ministry, when "all the people had been baptized and Jesus also had been baptized and when Jesus was praying, heaven was opened and the holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

How is this account related to Adam’s creation? You are at a loss again. LOL

( Here I am amazed to know that If Jesus himself was God (as per your Trinity dogma), how his VOICE was coming from Heaven to him while he was on earth? Whose voice was it, BTW, if Jesus himself was God?

Now you are practicing the sixth pillar of Islam: being irrelevant to the main topic of a debate through digression, which your scripture considers holy.

Does it make any sense to say that God was prayig to himself? Does is it also make any sense for God to call ownself and self-praised by saying "“You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”? )

God the Father in heaven is speaking to His only son IN FLESH. These dialogues between the DISTINCT persons of the Triune God will make sense to you after you believe in the Trinity and the incarnation of the uncreated Word.

However, the fact that your Allah praises Himself and repetitively refers to Himself as a separate being must be very problematic for Muslims:

Surah Fatiha 1-3
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, The Beneficent, the Merciful.

Here we see that Allah supposedly praises himself as a distinct person! Should we put the blame on Mohammad’s inept scribes for this inconvenience?

Then Luke tells us:

23 When Jesus began his ministry he was about thirty years of age. He was the son, as was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli,

24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, … … …

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan,

38 the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3

So what? I cannot see your point. Unless you prove that the phrase “Son of God” means the same when applied to Adam and Jesus, your reference to Jesus’ genealogy in Luke has no meaning.
Analyzer;4240271:

In this geneology of Jesus (which is different from Matthews’ though…you can see the whole of it, in your Bible), Adam is mentioned as 'the son of God"

and not “the creation of God”.

What a silly and fallacious argument! Islam teaches that Adam was the first messenger of Allah. Does this allegation mean that all messengers of Allah were directly created by God and not born of women like Adam???

Luke does not deny Adam’s creation when he refers to Adam as the Son of God in Jesus’ genealogy. He simply does so in order to highlight the similarity and contrast between Jesus and Adam. You have got so many things to learn indeed!

Then Matthew informs us that Jesus says:

Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. —Matthew 23:9

Now are you going to reject your Gospels as well by saying: Catholic Gospels too are unbelievable that resort to lies when everything was clear from the OT that Adam was created?

I am not going to reject the Bible, but your stupid comments derived from your too-clear ignorance of the Christian tenets.

Now let’s see how you deny/reject your own Gospels which clearly to you tells a blatant lie.

What we can see is actually how the Bible rejects your uncanny and faulty statements and presents you as an Islamic liar.

 

[Angelos]

**If God and His Wisdom are one, is Wisdom something like those “three distinct persons” of your Trinity dogma, who too are one?

Or only “three persons” of your Trinity are One.? And ‘Wisdom’ is out of the equation? If so, then in what sense your God and Wisdom are one?

Since you are talking about ‘Widsom of God’, what about ‘foolishness’ and ‘weakness’ of God, then?? Because as per Paul:

22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,

23 but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

24 but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25 For the foolishness of God** is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. — 1 Corinthians 1:22-25

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This is another absurd approach from you!

Jesus is the WISDOM/WORD of God, who is considered by His enemies foolishness and weakness due to His crucifixion and death.

Now I am convinced that you have difficulties understanding English and comprehending the Bible.

 

[Angelos]

**According to bible, satan tempted Jesus and took him around for 40 days. That was bad enough. Chritsians think that was a good thing… Surely not. It is surprising that the Devil is tempting and trying a god. We never heard before that Devil could come near God? Your god is a funny god.

1.He is tempted by the Devil. ( Thanks for reminding us).
2. Your God prays too. We never heard of any god praying.
3. Your god dies too nd goes to hell for three days. (Surpirse)
Forget about our Allah. Please look after your god.

According to our Quran, Devil never came near Jesus or Mary or Muhammad. So we are happy.
**

Dear planten probably has Alzheimers because he forgets that his scripture presents Adam as Allah’s first messenger who Satan talked to and managed to beguile.

He also forgets that the following verse belongs in the Koran:

Surah 22:52
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise.

Islam teaches that Satan has the power and ability to approach Allah’s supposed revelations (words) and distort them for a time.

 

[inJESUS]

What you care about is exact word God told the mother of Moses when I am repeating we don’t have to go into the exact recunstruction of event in order get the exact words but to understand the concept from the details from the history given. Our faith is not relied upon that exact words God utterd to her. But in th case of Jesus (a) and the recunstruction of the exact event I asking for is valid as far as the Christian claims these situations to rely their faith upon.

we don’t care about the exact words in the same way you don’t…we care about the conveyed message.

It is because of the very evangelical records and the development we see of the person, ‘Jesus’ if we read through Mark to John, side by side. If Jesus (a) is rebuked in the early gospel, he is worshiped in the later gospels. If he healed many, he healed all in later gospels. If he is limited in knowledge, he is all knowing in later gospels. If he is praying to save him from the cross, he is not praying in the later gospel. If he was complaining why God forsake him on the cross, he is not doing so in the later gospel. These developments surely do point a very human version of Jesus (a), like the muslims do believe he was.

 

[planten]

we don’t care about the exact words in the same way you don’t…we care about the conveyed message.

 

[planten]

Dear planten probably has Alzheimers because he forgets that his scripture presents Adam as Allah’s first messenger who Satan talked to and managed to beguile. .font]

But you forget that Adam was not god. Please show where Satan is tempting god.

He also forgets that the following verse belongs in the Koran:

Surah 22:52
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise.

Islam teaches that Satan has the power and ability to approach Allah’s supposed revelations (words) and distort them for a time.

**You are misinterpretting. The message comes safe. It is announced to followers. The Satan comes to oppose it in its implementation and tries to rub off the message or distort it. But Allah does not allow that too and re-establishes His message back on sound footing.

It is not understood why Satan had to tempt your god? How could he?**