LA RE Conference - Closing Liturgy

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bkovacs said:
The Chancellor is Mahoney.
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Wrong.

It’s not Roger Cardinal MAHONY either.

The Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles is Sr. Mary Elizabeth Galt, B.V.M. The Vicar General is the Rev. Msgr. Royale Vadakin (no pun.)
 
ChurchTorch said:
Wrong.

It’s not Roger Cardinal MAHONY either.

The Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles is Sr. Mary Elizabeth Galt, B.V.M. The Vicar General is the Rev. Msgr. Royale Vadakin (no pun.)
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Did you watch the video?.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
I wasn’t trying to argue with anyone. 😦

I have seen some Passion stuff done to dance, and it was pretty effective, as part of a liturgical Good Friday event. (Not a Mass.) Also other events (not Masses), but few and far between. Quite few. Quite far.

I don’t know if all the people engaging in various forms of religious dance (not in L.A.) understand that it is “not licit.” Nor do I think they are doing it in some confrontational spirit, even if it is not allowed and ill-advised.

But in any case, even had there been no staged dancers, I think the rest of the liturgy was quite disjointed and gave off odd, conflicting themes.

I think the bigger issue overall, that benedictgal touched upon, is that liturgies are not free-for-alls and make-it-up-as-you-go. There are supposed to be some parameters, and it is troubling to me the large number of practicing Catholics who seem to believe that liturgy is simply creative product, as long as there’s a consecration in there. That, combined with how increasingly aware I’ve become of widespread idiotic catechesis and an opinion-driven modern Catholic morality, and it becomes difficult to see the American Church, in particular, as overall unified with Rome. I’m not specifically referring to differences of opinion on CAF, but more often within liberal parishes, in commentaries on modern Catholic periodicals, and in so many irreverent liturgical practices and behaviors.

I truly believe that there will be a very large segment of American Catholics in the foreseeable future who will choose to become formally independent of Rome, just as they have in so many ways become informally adrift from Rome. We will end up with an ultra-contemporary American Church affiliation and a quite different Roman Church affiliation.

JMO.
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There has always been dance in the West as part of the liturgy. The hawaiian islands and the hula is a prime example.

When that large segment becomes “formally independent of Rome” they’ll enter heresy or become fully apostate… In other words, no longer Catholic.
 
ChurchTorch said:
There has always been dance in the West as part of the liturgy. The hawaiian islands and the hula is a prime example.

When that large segment becomes “formally independent of Rome” they’ll enter heresy or become fully apostate… In other words, no longer Catholic.
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How is that relevant? So what if pagans dance in their liturgy? Last I checked, it was a Catholic Mass.
 
ChurchTorch said:
There has always been dance in the West as part of the liturgy. The hawaiian islands and the hula is a prime example.

When that large segment becomes “formally independent of Rome” they’ll enter heresy or become fully apostate… In other words, no longer Catholic.
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I believe that you are mistaken, ChurchTorch. This is what Francis Cardinal Arinze, Prefect Emeritus of the CDWDS, said regarding liturgical dance:
There has never been a document from our Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments saying that dance is approved in the Mass.
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…The question of dance is difficult and delicate. However, it is good to know that the tradition of the Latin Church has not known the dance.
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Here is what the CDWDS has stated:
Dancing and Worship
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The dance has never been made an integral part of the official worhship of the Latin Church.
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…For that reason it cannot be introduced into liturgical celebrations of any kind whatever: that would be to inject into the liturgy one of the most desacralized and desacralizing elements; and so it would be equivalent to creating an atmosphere of profaneness which would easily recall to those present and to the participants in the celebration worldly places and situations.
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Neither can acceptance be had of the proposal to introduce into the liturgy the so-called artistic ballet[2] because there would be presentation here also of a spectacle at which one would assist, while in the liturgy one of the norms from which one cannot prescind is that of participation.
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Please read the documents before making any misleading statements.
 
When we will say “enough” to “bishops” dancing around in rainbow colored vestments and smokey flower-child paganism in God’s CHURCH? Jesus Christ knew how to get the trash out of the temple.

May our Holy Father, Benedict XVI throw this sort of TRASH out on the street, where it belongs…

And maybe he can do something about the liturgy, as well.

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This LAREC has been committing liturgical abuse and promoting anti-Catholic doctrine for a long time now. Why is it allowed?
 
diggerdomer said:
What is sad is passing judgment on the Mass, the Eucharist, the source and summit of the Christian life, from a YouTube video clip that shows only a fraction of what happened there.

And, given that this is the largest conference in the U.S., to seem to presume that a liturgy there would be out of line with Church teaching is really quite arrogant, I think, and does a disservice to Cardinal Mahony and all other priests and bishops who were part of or at least aware of this Eucharistic celebration.
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What page of the GIRM outlines liturgical dance?

Research the LAREC and you’ll find lots of out of line teaching.

Be careful with words like '‘arrogant’. When you point your finger three point back.
 
Ockham said:
This LAREC has been committing liturgical abuse and promoting anti-Catholic doctrine for a long time now. Why is it allowed?
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The LAREC does not “promote anti-Catholic doctrine.” That’s silly.

Most (but not all) of what you see are not “abuses.” They are examples of monumentally bad taste in my opinion. Some seem almost designed to gig the “traditionalists” out there. I think that’s why it’s viewed as being so offensive within this forum.

Then again while true abuses are never OK, this type of Mass RESONATES with a great many people like the bells & smells Masses resonate with many of us. In the USA I would venture to say that many, many, many times more people are nourished by loosey-goosey Masses like than through versus the EF. Think about that for a moment.

I must ask though, why view it and then gossip? Most here have a good idea of what’s going to take place. Just don’t watch next year.
 
"Fisher said CRCOA members will hand out flyers that expose speakers who dissent from the Church’s doctrines. Here are examples of some of Cardinal Mahony’s 188 speakers:

A non-Catholic, far left, pro-contraception speaker who’s said we don’t need to ban aborting babies and who’s advised U.S. senators and representatives on how to get believers to vote for pro-gay, pro-abortion Democrats

A laicized priest who dissents from “a wide range of Church teachings” and wants women priests and women bishops

A nun who called Catholic doctrine against non-marital sex “a fixation.”

A Catholic priest who told the 2005 REC that “we” need “public models” of “healthy gay priests for Catholics to reflect on.”"

calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=1736afa6-2dc1-49b4-8011-ff09a5604e2a
 
“Dancing is not a form of expression for the Christian liturgy…It is totally absurd to try to make the liturgy “attractive” by introducing dancing pantominmes…”

“Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.”

Pope Benedict XVI ‘The Spirit of the Liturgy’
 
“Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside.”

GIRM paragraph 328
 
Ockham said:
“Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside.”

GIRM paragraph 328
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Yeah and the Cardinal has to authority to dispense with something like that for a specific liturgy despite what fr. z might claim. It may not be good that he allows it but he has the authority to do so.
 
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