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PRmerger
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jmcrae
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The Ascension.
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Aloysium
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Ultimately, as Jesus told Thomas, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” I haven’t quite understood what’s in it for those who do not see, to proclaim that there is nothing to see.
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PRmerger
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Just a FYI: jmcrae is a “her” not a “him”.
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Bradski
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And where can I find the reports of 5,000 witnesses to the ascension?
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Aloysium
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There are thousands of reports about miracles at Lourdes. It’s not something I’ve followed, but have heard about. Has that evidence made you a believer? It’s closer to home; so why do you bother asking about that sort of proof for something that happened 2000 years ago? What’s your point?
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Bradski
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I’m asking because jmcrae claimed it happened. I’ve never heard of it before. I’d like to know where it came from.
And I think there have been around 70 miracles that have been accepted at Lourdes. Not thousands. And the percentage of people who go into spontaneous remission (an accepted medical position) is greater then the percentage of people who have claimed a miraculous cure.
That is, you have a better chance at improving your health if you avoid the place.
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Aloysium
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I actually didn’t want to address Lourdes but rather what you consider as evidence.
My understanding, and you can Google the correct numbers, is that there have been some 70 or so certified miracles of a hundred times reported healings. Those confirmed are not spontaneous remissions according to medical experts.
But when did empirical evidence ever convince an atheist. Random, I know.
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Bradski
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What is a miraculous healing other than a spontaneous remission?
Anyway, back to these 5,000 witnesses…
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STT
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I have been dealing with paranormal activities since 10 years ago. I myself witness miraculous healing after getting cancer, very strange fungi, etc. You can think that I am mentally ill but what I am telling you is based on consistent facts. Supernatural realm is true.
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STT
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Well, if they, individuals in spiritual world, wanted to show themselves then they would show themselves. It is an individual experience otherwise we wouldn’t call them paranormal activity. Haven’t you ever had sleep paralysis?Why don’t you contact “James (the Amazing) Randi”? There is a one million dollar prize for anyone who can demonstrate any kind of paranormal activity - under properly constructed circumstances.
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Mort_Alz
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I recently heard Lawrence Krauss point that out. That’s hardly thorough. There were too many miracles that had nothing to do with cancer or spontaneous remission for that to be an argument that settles the debate about Lourdes.
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Vera_Ljuba
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No, I have not. Is this similar to those “near death” experiences? Or “spoon bending”? Maybe “dowsing”? How about “aura reading”? There has never been a properly executed, double blind experiment to show any kind of paranormal activities (and there are many). Only charlatans like Uri Geller and the like claim that there is “something out there”. But they never perform when professional stage magicians are around. They always claim that skeptics disturb the “force”. Of course “force” should be spelled “farce”.
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PRmerger
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Hi, Vera.No, I have not. Is this similar to those “near death” experiences? Or “spoon bending”? Maybe “dowsing”? How about “aura reading”? There has never been a properly executed, double blind experiment to show any kind of paranormal activities (and there are many). Only charlatans like Uri Geller and the like claim that there is “something out there”. But they never perform when professional stage magicians are around. They always claim that skeptics disturb the “force”. Of course “force” should be spelled “farce”.
Can you please offer how you’ve verified that Caesar crossed the Rubicon?
Or how you’ve verified any of the ancient historical events you’ve believed and accepted as actual historical events?
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Vera_Ljuba
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I use the same method that I used to verify that you are actually a woman and a nurse. I always use this method to evaluate irrelevant claims.
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PRmerger
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Which is, what? You read it, so you believe it?
What method do you use to evaluate relevant claims?
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Vera_Ljuba
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Sure. I saw no reason to doubt your word. There was nothing extraordinary in the claim. And whether you were truthful or not, does not matter at all.
That is a different issue, and it cannot be answered in a few paragraphs. It all depends on the type of the claim.
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PRmerger
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So reading something is sufficient evidence. I see.
Then I think you need to retract your objection that Christians “confuse facts with legends”.
It appears you use the exact same method we use.
You cannot criticize us, without criticizing yourself.
Or, you cannot exonerate yourself, without exonerating Christians.
QED
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