Lapsed Catholics

[CMatt25]

Knowledge does not mean faith. One can know without believing and one can understand and believe at one point and then stop believing though still understanding the teachings.

Good points. I never have understood why we Catholics feel the need when someone believes differently to think “if only the other person understood”.

I for instance understand Church teaching on the Eucharist. But that hasn’t prohibited me from also understanding various Protestant beliefs. For instance when I read Scripture it’s not all that difficult for me to see how someone might believe when Christ prior to his death and subsequent resurrection to the right hand of the Father, spoke “Do this in remembrance” and after the grumbling in Jn 6, “the spirit gives life”, that He was speaking symbolically together with explaining His Real Presence is in spirit, not physically until He comes again.

The hurdle for me to get to that point are those ECFs. To take a belief more in line with many Protestants on Communion, it seems to me the believer has to then say it is logical to believe the ECFs already had it wrong in roughly just 10 yrs after the Apostle John died. And some believers may indeed understand it in that way. It however does not preclude them from also understanding Catholic belief nor visa versa for us Catholics to understand theirs.

The same goes for whether Peter was the rock or whether the words Peter spoke were. Or whether only he received keys or all the Apostles since they too were given the power to bind and loosen which is what keys do to locks.

And so on.

It is faith. But indeed we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Peace.

 

[PJM]

=t68ware;7404970]I attend my wifes Protestant church after Mass out of love for my wife, and I know there are some members of that church who at one time were professed Catholics, but they have left the Church and joined this Protestant church. They willing partake of Communion, and I am wondering if I should say anything to them, being they once believed in the Real Presence and now they willingly partake of an invalid Communion.

That dear friend, is a tough call! Your not taking communion there are you?

I would suggest you not iniate the conversation; BUT if the opportunity is raised by them; then, by all means in Charity, ask. You’ll find I beleive in EVERY case that they do NOT believe in the Real Presence of Jesus is our Midst. It’s based on a lack of Faith, that only God can cure. Despite FIVE different NT Authors nd Christ Himself giving Teastmony of it’s TRUTH!

Do you know how to explain and defend this ogma so critical to our Catholic Faith?

God’s continued Blessings,
Pat

Why so many have left the Catholic Church putting there very souls at GREAT RISK [Heb.6:4-10] remains somewht of a Mystery to me.

There are a GREAT many possibilities; but not a single valid reason!

 

[ProVobis]

Luke 15 is an excellent read for those who have left the Church and are still concerned about it.

newadvent.org/bible/luk015.htm

 

[The_Old_Medic]

Sadly, all too many Catholics are NOT taught their faith, even in Catholic Schools. Many Protestant Churches do a much better job of teaching the total love that God has for us, the love that the Son showed by dying for us, and that mere ritual does NOT redeem us.

Far too many Catholics are so wrapped up in ritual, that they totally lose sight of the true message. They attack people that don’t wear a veil, or don’t genuflect, etc., instead of approaching them with love in their hearts.

Too many Priests are also caught up in the method, and also forget the message.

Had the Dominican Nuns approached me with rigid ritual, had I been punished for touching the Eucharist on a Sunday back in February 1953, I doubt if I would have ever chosen to join the Roman Catholic Church.

I stood up from the Communion Rail, reached into my mouth and pulled out that piece of hard something. Directly in front of me were two rows of Nuns, and then many rows of students. I heard a gasp as my fingers went into my mouth, another gasp as I pulled the host out and looked at it, and then a groan as i put it back into my mouth and chewed it and swallowed (believe me, you did NOT do that back in that era).

As I got back to my pew, the other students moved as far away from me as they possibly could. I suspect that they thought that a lightning bolt would come straight from heaven, and kill me on the spot.

I knew that I had done something wrong, but I didn’t have a clue what it could possibly be. I could tell by how the other students reacted that I had done something horrible, but what???

As we were leaving the Chapel, our prefect grasped my arm, pulled me out of the line, and said, “Mother Superior will want to see you Mr. Stewart”. Now I REALLY knew that I was in trouble!

Mother came up to me a few minutes later, and asked, “Have you made your First Communion”? I nodded that i had.

She then asked me, “How and when did you do it”?

For some reason, I blurted out, “I said it twice”.

Mother laughed, and then she very gently explained to me that the Eucharist was reserved for baptized Catholics, who had made their first communion. I was more than welcome to attend Mass, but I was not to go to Communion again, until I had met those requirements. She then sent me off to breakfast, with her blessing.

She could have punished me. Many religious of that era would have punished me, punished me severely for doing what i had done. Many rigid Catholics would still punish a child that did something like that, because he “broke the rules”.

Sadly, far too many Catholics are so caught up in the scruples, so bound by their beliefs, that they totally forget the message that Jesus gave over and over and over again during his time on this earth. He chose to associate with people that “broke the rules”. He chose to associate with people that did not follow the rituals.

He chastised those that believed that they were better than others, because they rigidly followed every rule, and had contempt for those that did not.

I was driven away from the Church, because of unyielding people who could not and would not accept my wife. My wife is severely physically disabled, and she has to utilize a power wheelchair. She is also a trained liturgist, sings like an angel, plays guitar and she has been a choir member since she was 12 years old.

In a parish in Escondido, CA, she was asked to go outside during Communion. She was asked to do this, because some people were complaining about having to pass by a cripple while they were going to Communion, and that this “ruined their communion experience”. The Choir Director insisted that she go outside (our Masses were being held in a school cafeteria, we did not have a church building yet). When the Pastor refused to stop this gross mistreatment, my sister-in-law left the Church (and she refuses to even consider coming back). I left and did not attend Mass again for several years. That is just one minor example of the kind of treatment that many Catholics have experienced.

How many Pharisees exist in our Church today?

How many of those who see ritual as everything, work hard to drive others out of the church?

How many of those that condemn others for what they consider “breaking the rules” are in reality breaking the most important commandment, at least the one that our Lord said was the most important?

I truly believe that it is those who are so concerned about the “purity” of the church, that are driving many people out of our church. They have no charity in their hearts, they are totally and completely caught up in the legalisms, and not in the love for their fellow people.

I see this over and over again on this web site. Farr too many of the “conservatives” are so caught up in the legalisms, and in the ritual, that they have no love and no forgiveness of anyone that does not see it their way. They attack others, vent their spleens on them, and literally drive others away from the church.

They should look at themselves, and then ask a simple question. “What have I done to call others to the church?”

And they should also ask, “In what ways have I furthered the cause of Satan, by refusing to display an open heart and by refusing to love others?”

 

[PJM]

=Roy5;7415368]A few points

** 1. One of the basic principles of mainline Protestantism is freedom of interpretation of scripture.** This can mean that in one and the same church different people may view the Eucharist differently. I know Protestants who put a great deal of emphasis on communion and believe that Christ will draw closer to them through communion, that we can feel his presence more decisively through the sacrament… Then there are Protestants who may deliberately miss communion Sundays (often the first Sunday of the month) because they think that communion is too pagan, more pagan than Christian. There is really no established, required view of the Eucharist in many Protestant congregations. As in other areas of doctrine, they decide for themselves, and they often dialogue amiably with one another about their various views in Bible study groups and elsewhere. “What does communion mean to me?” rather than “How does the church interpret communion.” As with much of Protestantism, individualism is emphasized.
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2. It appears that Protestant churches (at least here in this part of the eastern US) are filled with former Catholics**. Those of a more progressive mindset bend toward mainline churches - Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, UCC, etc. They are often influenced by their own liberal views on theology, but also by certain difficult social issues as homosexuality or such questions as the marriage of priests and the ordination of women. Many have left Catholicism over the question of birth control. Those of a more conservative mindset are more likely to end up in evangelical churches, which are much more aggressive when it comes ti evangelism. Like traditional Catholicism, they’re inclined to embrace a specific set of doctrines, usually the ones advocated by that church or pastor. They also are likely to agree with Catholicism on such issues as homosexuality, ordination of women, and abortion.

3. As much as mainline denominations do not agree with Catholicism on a variety of doctrinal, liturgical, social and other issues, mainline Protestants are apt to be very ecumenical. They seem to embrace the old adage: "Think and let think!" They have no problem working together with Catholics on such projects as soup kitchens and homeless shelters or joining with them in the January "Week of Prayer for Christian Unity",  Evangelical Protestants are less likely to have this ecumenical emphasis, sometimes even non-cooperative with mainline Protestant churches.

** 4. One interesting point. Catholicism and certain forms of Protestantism, especially Pentecostalism, emphasize supernatural acts - that is, miracles in today’s world. **Catholicism, of course, has its Marian apparitions, canonization of saints through whom miracles are said to have been performed, etc. Mainline Protestants are more skeptical of such miracles. Many of them sre not ‘Bible-believers’ in that they would consider many stories, especially in the Old Testament, as false. Would a loving and just God actually drown all those people in the days of Noah, including innocent children? Would God actually order Joshua to murder all of the inhabitants of Jericho or command Saul to slay every remaining Amalekite? What about scriptural passages like Ex. 21:17? Or, Ex. 22, verses 18 or 20? Etc.

** 5. I really don’t think most Catholics who become Protestant do so because they do not understand their Catholic faith**. I think they decide that they disagree with Catholicism too much to remain in the Church. Many Protestants understand Catholicism quite well, better than many Catholics, and still remain Protestant. Different strokes for different strokes. I myself am conflicted on a variety of issues. If one thinks these days, it is difficult to be as dogmatic as the Church asks us to be. I am in favor of a ‘big tent’ church in which greater latitude in doctrine is permitted without being made to feel that we somehow are betraying the Church. Millions of Catholics hold on to their affiliation because of historic, family and cultural ties rather than because of 100% acceptance of the church’s basic teachings. I read in the US Catholic awhile ago that something like 53%of Catholics don’t believe in transubstantiation, a central dogma of the church. That should tell us something.

 Happy New Year!

THANKS ROY!

Very well done!
Pat

 

[Love_the_Lorax]

What a wonderful story, and God Bless that nun for not going psycho on you! Yes, we need many people like that, and we need to remember that WE are called to be like that!

I find it hard to strike a balance many times in my life. Jesus absolutely showed us that we are to associate and love all, absolutely. He also cast out the money changers, and made it clear that HE is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and in no way ever compromised his message while loving those that needed it so much (Me, definitely in that group!).

FWIW, sometimes I wonder if part of the reason so many leave the Catholic Church is not because of some that insist on sticking to certain teachings, but exactly the opposite. Maybe there are those that leave because they see the church (not universal, but the building right there down the street) as not standing for something unique and amazing anymore. There are other groups around that very strongly proclaim that they have something “special”. I’m not agreeing with them, but when an outsider sees that people in this group change their lives, and put those teachings first… well, it gives them reason to wonder. In Mass yesterday I listened to the priest talk about how we do not have the only way to Heaven, how we need to embrace others, and look not only at “Judeo-Christian” connections and live peaceably with Jews, but have Christian/Hindu, Christian/Buddist, Christian/Islam understandings and harmony. After all, we are all on a journey throughout our lives. Honestly, as I listened it seemed like he was saying it didn’t matter what group you belonged to… and if that is true, what is going to convince anyone that the Catholic Church is special? Of course we are all on a journey, anyone ever born. But I also believe that the Catholic Church is special, and does offer a richness and truth not found in other goups. Can one be Catholic and not believe that?

Of course, this also brings us back to the sad state of affairs RE understanding our faith. We can not expect someone to believe our Church is special if the teaching is not done in the first place.

Mother laughed, and then she very gently explained to me that the Eucharist was reserved for baptized Catholics, who had made their first communion. I was more than welcome to attend Mass, but I was not to go to Communion again, until I had met those requirements. She then sent me off to breakfast, with her blessing.

She could have punished me. Many religious of that era would have punished me, punished me severely for doing what i had done. Many rigid Catholics would still punish a child that did something like that, because he “broke the rules”.

Sadly, far too many Catholics are so caught up in the scruples, so bound by their beliefs, that they totally forget the message that Jesus gave over and over and over again during his time on this earth. He chose to associate with people that “broke the rules”. He chose to associate with people that did not follow the rituals.

He chastised those that believed that they were better than others, because they rigidly followed every rule, and had contempt for those that did not.

I truly believe that it is those who are so concerned about the “purity” of the church, that are driving many people out of our church. They have no charity in their hearts, they are totally and completely caught up in the legalisms, and not in the love for their fellow people.

They should look at themselves, and then ask a simple question. “What have I done to call others to the church?”

 

[CMatt25]

I truly believe that it is those who are so concerned about the “purity” of the church, that are driving many people out of our church…
I see this over and over again on this web site. Farr too many of the “conservatives” are so caught up in the legalisms, and in the ritual, that they have no love and no forgiveness of anyone that does not see it their way. They attack others, vent their spleens on them, and literally drive others away from the church.

I truly believe it too. God bless you and peace.

 

[OraLabora]

I attend my wifes Protestant church after Mass out of love for my wife, and I know there are some members of that church who at one time were professed Catholics, but they have left the Church and joined this Protestant church. They willing partake of Communion, and I am wondering if I should say anything to them, being they once believed in the Real Presence and now they willingly partake of an invalid Communion.

I guess I will be chided by the “traditionalists” here but I have to ask: why do you think it is any of your business?

I think being overly nosy in their affairs is likely to have the opposite of the desired effect, and in particular there may be some very personal and private reasons for the switch (e.g. an invalid marriage, being personally affected by the abuse scandal or having a family member personally affected by the abuse scandal, to name a few).

We may all disagree with their reasons for switching, but it remains their reasons for switching. And they may not take too kindly to discussing it with strangers.

 

[CMatt25]

You’ll find I beleive in EVERY case that they do NOT believe in the Real Presence of Jesus is our Midst. It’s based on a lack of Faith, that only God can cure. Despite FIVE different NT Authors nd Christ Himself giving Teastmony of it’s TRUTH!

While you might believe this to be in every case, from my understanding, any number of non Catholics might believe where 2 or 3 are gathered there He is in their midst. Or in the spiritual real presence of Jesus in their midst. And some, though true their faith doesn’t fit the faith you have in what the Catholic Church interprets about Herself, do even believe in a physical presence. Yes I know you don’t believe they have a valid priesthood. But at my local Episcopal church for instance according to its priest, the communicant says “Amen” at the Communion rail in response to “The Body of Christ, the Bread of Heaven, The Blood of Christ, the Cup of Salvation”. Lutherans I think have a similar faith. Simply saying something is the truth has little bearing when another, neither shares your faith in the Catholic Church’s interpretation of Herself nor in Her interpretations of the testimonies of those 5 different NT authors and of Christ Himself. And I don’t know but maybe another wouldn’t share your faith in the ECFs having it all exactly correct either. And it of course can work both ways. They doing the same can result in little bearing on you. That’s why we call it faith. God bless you along your journey of faith and peace.

 

[PJM]

=CMatt25;7423159]While you might believe this to be in every case, from my understanding, any number of non Catholics might believe where 2 or 3 are gathered there He is in their midst. Or in the spiritual real presence of Jesus in their midst. And some, though true their faith doesn’t fit the faith you have in what the Catholic Church interprets about Herself, do even believe in a physical presence. Yes I know you don’t believe they have a valid priesthood. But at my local Episcopal church for instance according to its priest, the communicant says “Amen” at the Communion rail in response to “The Body of Christ, the Bread of Heaven, The Blood of Christ, the Cup of Salvation”. Lutherans I think have a similar faith. Simply saying something is the truth has little bearing when another, neither shares your faith in the Catholic Church’s interpretation of Herself nor in Her interpretations of the testimonies of those 5 different NT authors and of Christ Himself. And I don’t know but maybe another wouldn’t share your faith in the ECFs having it all exactly correct either. And it of course can work both ways. They doing the same can result in little bearing on you. That’s why we call it faith. God bless you along your journey of faith and peace.

THANKS for an informed reply;

But allow me please to offer you a choice… [It’s the Choice Christ offers us]

"Where ever two or three are gathered, there am I in there mids"t = [Spiritual Presence]

OR [from John 6:50-55] In the words of Jesus HIMSELF! =REAL PRESENCE!

“This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
[53] So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.*** For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.***

Further supported by **Matt. 26:26-28; Mark 14: 22-24;Luke 22:19-21; St. Paul 1 Cor. 11:23-29… **…

So the choice is God’s Spirit or GOD IN PERSON; Jesus Himself! Seem to m while both are Good; Catholics have BY a GREAT MEASURE the GREATER GOOD

God bless friend,
Pat

 

[CMatt25]

THANKS for an informed reply;

But allow me please to offer you a choice… [It’s the Choice Christ offers us]

"Where ever two or three are gathered, there am I in there mids"t = [Spiritual Presence]

OR [from John 6:50-55] In the words of Jesus HIMSELF! =REAL PRESENCE!

“This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die.
I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
[53] So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.*** For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.***

Further supported by **Matt. 26:26-28; Mark 14: 22-24;Luke 22:19-21; St. Paul 1 Cor. 11:23-29… **…

So the choice is God’s Spirit or GOD IN PERSON; Jesus Himself! Seem to m while both are Good; Catholics have BY a GREAT MEASURE the GREATER GOOD

God bless friend,
Pat

Pat, I of course sincerely appreciate your efforts. But let us try to remember the faith of many is that Jn 6 speaks figuratively in the sense of eating His flesh = believing in His death and resurrection. And in vs 63 after grumbling by some folks, when Christ then says it is the Spirit He is talking about, He with those words had wrapped it all up. To those believers, there is one choice. Believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The Son Whom came down from heaven. Suffered, died and was buried. Resurrected. Ascended into heaven and sitteth at the right hand of the Father until He comes again. Faith is faith. God bless you as well my friend. I hope you had a most blessed Christmas season with continued blessing throughout the new year. Peace.

 

[PJM]

=CMatt25;7423888]Pat, I of course sincerely appreciate your efforts. But let us try to remember the faith of many is that Jn 6 speaks figuratively in the sense of eating His flesh = believing in His death and resurrection. And in vs 63 after grumbling by some folks, when Christ then says it is the Spirit He is talking about, He with those words had wrapped it all up. To those believers, there is one choice. Believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The Son Whom came down from heaven. Suffered, died and was buried. Resurrected. Ascended into heaven and sitteth at the right hand of the Father until He comes again. Faith is faith. God bless you as well my friend. I hope you had a most blessed Christmas season with continued blessing throughout the new year. Peace.

Hi CMatt,

Certainly I am aware of that. My question is charity and sincerity is HOW can one hold such a view when Jesus Christ Himself tells us differently, and it is supported by FIVE different NT authors?

***John 6 verse 63 is refuted by Christ Himself in John 6:47-55 ***

Truly, truly, I [Jesus] say to you, he who believes has eternal life.** I am the bread of life. ** Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I [Jesus] am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and **the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." **[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" [53] So Jesus said to them, **"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; **[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed!"

***In verse 52 the Jews make the same statement you make AND LOOK AT THE RESPONCE OF YOUR GOD in verse 53… Like you they assume in ERROR that Christ is speaking of His Cardinal Body;…NOT!!! Jesus is Speaking of His SOOM to be GLORIFIED AND RISEN BODY THST STILL EXIST TODAY AND FOR ETERNITY! Nevertheless REAL! THINNK ABOUT THIS…GOD CAN NOT NEITHER LIE OR DECEIVE!

**Note further that Jesus does not say “OPPS,” ***I didn’t mean it that way, not my cardnial body; Jesus lets those WITH LACK OF FAITH AND UNDERSTANDING [necesary for salvation] ABANDON HIM.

The turned to the Apostles and asked: [Jn. 6: 6-69] [66] After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” **Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; **[69] and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” **

The terms “Breaking The Bread” was the early term for the Most holy Euchrist…

Luke.24: 35 “Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.”

Acts.2: 42 "And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. And day by day, attending the temple together and **breaking bread in their homes, ***they partook of food with glad and generous hearts, *

NOTE: Eathing is spoken of seperately from "the Breaking of the Bread!"and further HOMES were th first churches! Also LOOK UP 1 Cor. 11: 26-29… Culd not be for eating just bread and drinking ordinary wine.

FRIEND, one either BELIEVES WHAT GOD TEACHES adthe Bible affirms or SERIOUSLY risk not getting to heaven.

God’s continued Blessings, may He grant you RIGHT Understanding…

Catholic belief is 2,000 years old and your’s is how old? Our Faith is from God himself [edited by moderator]
Pat

 

[CMatt25]

Catholic belief is 2,000 years old and your’s is how old? Our Faith is from God himself and who founded your man-made religion? THINK ABOUT IT, pray about it.
Pat

First off I can only assume you must think because I pointed out understanding of other beliefs that our beliefs on Communion differ. I just so happen to have the capability of understanding various beliefs and where they come from in Scripture. Jesus founded my faith. 1Peter 4:16.

 

[CMatt25]

Hi CMatt,

Certainly I am aware of that. My question is charity and sincerity is HOW can one hold such a view when Jesus Christ Himself tells us differently, and it is supported by FIVE different NT authors?

***John 6 verse 63 is refuted by Christ Himself in John 6:47-55 ***

Truly, truly, I [Jesus] say to you, he who believes has eternal life.** I am the bread of life. ** Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I [Jesus] am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and **the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." **[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" [53] So Jesus said to them, **"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; **[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed!"

***In verse 52 the Jews make the same statement you make AND LOOK AT THE RESPONCE OF YOUR GOD in verse 53… Like you they assume in ERROR that Christ is speaking of His Cardinal Body;…NOT!!! Jesus is Speaking of His SOOM to be GLORIFIED AND RISEN BODY THST STILL EXIST TODAY AND FOR ETERNITY! Nevertheless REAL! THINNK ABOUT THIS…GOD CAN NOT NEITHER LIE OR DECEIVE!

**Note further that Jesus does not say “OPPS,” *****I didn’t mean it that way, not my cardnial body; Jesus lets those WITH LACK OF FAITH AND UNDERSTANDING [necesary for salvation] ABANDON HIM.

The turned to the Apostles and asked: [Jn. 6: 6-69] [66] After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” **Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; **[69] and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

The terms “Breaking The Bread” was the early term for the Most holy Euchrist…

Luke.24: 35 “Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.”

Acts.2: 42 "And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. And day by day, attending the temple together and **breaking bread in their homes, ***they partook of food with glad and generous hearts, *

NOTE: Eathing is spoken of seperately from "the Breaking of the Bread!"and further HOMES were th first churches! Also LOOK UP 1 Cor. 11: 26-29… Culd not be for eating just bread and drinking ordinary wine.

FRIEND, one either BELIEVES WHAT GOD TEACHES adthe Bible affirms or SERIOUSLY risk not getting to heaven.

God’s continued Blessings, may He grant you RIGHT Understanding…

Catholic belief is 2,000 years old and your’s is how old? Our Faith is from God himself [edited by moderator]
Pat

Hi Pat, I may not be fully versed on other beliefs regarding Communion but I already tried explaining how someone else might believe something different. In regard to your last question, I believe mine is more or less the same age and from God as well… God bless.

 

[PJM]

=CMatt25;7436965]Hi Pat, I may not be fully versed on other beliefs regarding Communion but I already tried explaining how someone else might believe something different. In regard to your last question, I believe mine is more or less the same age and from God as well… God bless.

Sorry about the delay; just tody was released from the hospital after an 8 day visit. Doing OK for now.

My friend how can there possibily be TWO truths os the same issue; I have provided extreme biblial evidence of the 2,000 year Old Teaching and practice of the CC. And your evidence is what?

God’s continued Blessings,

Pat