Lashing of Saudi 13 year old girl

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centurionguard said:
Extremely Barbaric and excessive if you ask me.
Surely they could have chosen a much lighter punishment that would have been just as effective of getting their lawful point across.
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Darryl1958 said:
It is a crude attempt to bash those who defend a culture that would give a thirteen year old ninety lashes.

Why would I even want the respect of people that think that this kind of punishment is a good thing, that this is the kind of friends we ought to have?
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First of all, the girl is 20+ years old.
Secondly, the girl threatened to kill someone.
Thirdly, the punishment mentioned is very minimal if you consider the horrific torture, rapes, beatings and horrible sexual abuse that teenagers in American prisons have to endure. Just take a look at the story of 16 year old Rodney Hulin who was so beaten, raped, sexually abused and tortured in the Texas prisons, that he ended up committing suicide to put himself out of this horrible misery. Do a google search for Rodney Hulin and read what Human Rights Watch has to say and watch the film. This American form of justice for 16 year old teenagers is much worse than anything coming out of China or North Korea, and what he had to endure was a thousand times worse than what we have heard concerning the tortures at Guantanamo.
 
sidbrown said:
First of all, the girl is 20+ years old.
Secondly, the girl threatened to kill someone.
Thirdly, the punishment mentioned is very minimal if you consider the horrific torture, rapes, beatings and horrible sexual abuse that teenagers in American prisons have to endure. Just take a look at the story of 16 year old Rodney Hulin who was so beaten, raped, sexually abused and tortured in the Texas prisons, that he ended up committing suicide to put himself out of this horrible misery. Do a google search for Rodney Hulin and read what Human Rights Watch has to say and watch the film. This American form of justice for 16 year old teenagers is much worse than anything coming out of China or North Korea, and what he had to endure was a thousand times worse than what we have heard concerning the tortures at Guantanamo.
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You cannot defend the barbaric treatment in SA, so you try and divert the issue.
 
fix said:
You cannot defend the barbaric treatment in SA, so you try and divert the issue.
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There were plenty of people plenty willing to defend the lashing of a 13 year old for using a cell phone in school. They already showed what kind of people they were, making the factual accuracy of the report irrelevant to their argtuments.

That is the thing. Too many were just okay with this kind of treatment for children.

Not that I would find a report by a government that thinks flogging girls is okay is any more credible than a british rag either.
 
Tsuwano said:
I’m pleased to hear this. When I was an primary school student attending a Catholic school in Glasgow, Scotland, children, including myself, regularly received “the strap” for perceived misdeeds. For those unfamiliar with the strap, it was a a belt of leather slapped hard against the inner sides of one’s lower arms three or four times. When I returned to the States, particularly Texas, it was quite common for male students in public schools to receive “the board of education” for such crimes as wearing your shirttail outside your jeans or having hair that touched the collar of your shirt. As you can imagine, the board was a large, wooden paddle, with or without holes carved into it, which was slapped against the student’s rear end two or three times. Now, neither of these forms of punishment can be remotely compared to the punishment the woman / child in Saudi Arabia is condemned to receive, and neither caused excessive physical damage to the recipient, but the humiliation of receiving this punishment, especially if one felt too harshly judged, was enough to create contempt on the part of the student for authority. I would say these forms of punishment did not serve the interests of the students, the teachers, or the schools very well.
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Kids were paddled in public school(USA) too…by the teachers and the prinicpal
 
fix said:
You cannot defend the barbaric treatment in SA, so you try and divert the issue.
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The fact is that people here are ignoring the brutal beatings, cruel and sadistic tortures, rapes and sexual abuse that are inflicted on American children locked up in prisons in Texas. The treatment that these children are getting in America is one thousand times worse than the punsihment inflicted on a twenty year old woman in Saudi Arabia.
 
redrosetea said:
Have you ever had 90 lashes?
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90 lashes on a 20 year old woman who attempted to kill someone is really nothing at all compared to the brutal beatings and cruel tortures inflicted on American children in the prisons in Texas.
 
sidbrown said:
90 lashes on a 20 year old woman who attempted to kill someone is really nothing at all compared to the brutal beatings and cruel tortures inflicted on American children in the prisons in Texas.
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I think that she might be 13…what if she has some sort of emotional illness? I don’t think 90 lashes are nothing at all…It seems to be there can be discipline without involving torture
 
If that was what he was saying, why would he have brought up the example of Gitmo?
 
sidbrown said:
90 lashes on a 20 year old woman who attempted to kill someone is really nothing at all compared to the brutal beatings and cruel tortures inflicted on American children in the prisons in Texas.
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:hypno:
 
sidbrown said:
Do a google search for Rodney Hulin and read about what happened to this 16 year old in the American prison system. It is one thousand times worse than what occurs in Saudi Arabia.
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I did do a google search on Rodney Hulin, and though I agree his case was unjust and he suffered a great deal, I have trouble believing the American prison system is one thousand times worse that what occurs in Saudi Arabia. In addition, most Americans would admit that Mr. Hulin’s case was a miscarriage of justice whereas the authorities in Saudi Arabia seem to have trouble thinking that the present case concerning this young women under discussion might possibly be one. It would be interesting to see how many prisoners in America would be willing to exchange places with prisoners in Saudi Arabia and vice versa. I have never been a prisoner anywhere, but I can tell you right now that I would prefer to take my chances in the American prison system than in Saudi Arabia’s, but then Americans aren’t put in prison or flogged with a cane for bringing a cell phone into a classroom.
 
Reminds me of a movie I saw several years ago called “Osama.” In the movie a foreign woman reporter was sewn up in a white sack and stoned to death and this 12 year old girl, whose punishment, for working because she & her mom had no food, was rescinded, was ordered by the court to marry this lecherous old man.

Makes me sick this sort of evil.

There’s no excusing it either. It goes against the natural law.

Sure don’t want to be there when the ones responsible for cruelty like this face Jesus at the last Judgment.

Also reminds me to show mercy to others when all I want to do is retaliate.

Lord, have mercy on us.
 
Tsuwano said:
I did do a google search on Rodney Hulin, and though I agree his case was unjust and he suffered a great deal, I have trouble believing the American prison system is one thousand times worse that what occurs in Saudi Arabia. In addition, most Americans would admit that Mr. Hulin’s case was a miscarriage of justice whereas the authorities in Saudi Arabia seem to have trouble thinking that the present case concerning this young women under discussion might possibly be one. It would be interesting to see how many prisoners in America would be willing to exchange places with prisoners in Saudi Arabia and vice versa. I have never been a prisoner anywhere, but I can tell you right now that I would prefer to take my chances in the American prison system than in Saudi Arabia’s, but then Americans aren’t put in prison or flogged with a cane for bringing a cell phone into a classroom.
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He complained several times to the prison authorities and nothing was done. Flagellation does not usually drive a person to commit suicide as we have seen from Catholic Saints who practice this, but what happened to him did drive him to put himself out of his misery. Therefore it was many times worse than the punishment given in SA.
 
sidbrown said:
Do a google search for Rodney Hulin and read about what happened to this 16 year old in the American prison system. It is one thousand times worse than what occurs in Saudi Arabia.
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Hmmmm…1000 times worse. Me thinks you exagerate!
 
spn82756 said:
Hmmmm…1000 times worse. Me thinks you exagerate!
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When a punishment is so brutal that it involves not only torture and explotation, but leads to the death of a child, then it is much worse than a punishment such as flagellation which has been practiced by Catholic Saints.
 
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