Lashing of Saudi 13 year old girl

[whatevergirl]

*Also…going out on a limb here, but this 13 yr old girl who is sentenced to 90 lashings…she assuaulted her teacher…maybe because she is so repressed, that she couldn’t take it anymore. THAT is what happens when you rule with fear and violence. No one changes, they just get crafty at hiding their ‘‘crimes.’’ I mean, she lives in Saudi Arabia, surely she knows the punishments that can happen…yet she brought the cell phone anyways…assaulted the teacher anyways. Violence begets violence, I’m telling you, it does not work.

It only instills fear. Fear of getting caught, it doesn’t deter crime…if it did, this girl wouldn’t be in the situation she’s in. If capital punishment deterred crime, we wouldn’t see people still murdering here in the U.S. All violence and executions do, is instill fear…and cause people to find better ways to get away with their crimes. It makes society worse off, than if there was no such punishment. I believe in punishment…but, not in beating someone into submission. *

 

[whatevergirl]

*On a side note…are we less violent and more humane, in the U.S.? Babies are aborted every day in our country…and they did nothing wrong to receive that ‘‘punishment.’’ Not sure if we are better really…we just don’t witness these atrocities in the public square like this girl is going to be beaten in plain view for all to see, in S.A.

 

[sidbrown]

*Also…going out on a limb here, but this 13 yr old girl who is sentenced to 90 lashings…she assuaulted her teacher…maybe because she is so repressed, that she couldn’t take it anymore. THAT is what happens when you rule with fear and violence. No one changes, they just get crafty at hiding their ‘‘crimes.’’ I mean, she lives in Saudi Arabia, surely she knows the punishments that can happen…yet she brought the cell phone anyways…assaulted the teacher anyways. Violence begets violence, I’m telling you, it does not work.

It only instills fear. Fear of getting caught, it doesn’t deter crime…if it did, this girl wouldn’t be in the situation she’s in. If capital punishment deterred crime, we wouldn’t see people still murdering here in the U.S. All violence and executions do, is instill fear…and cause people to find better ways to get away with their crimes. It makes society worse off, than if there was no such punishment. I believe in punishment…but, not in beating someone into submission. *

Just a few days ago, in the local American Catholic high school, a boy knifed the principal in his office. The principal ended up in the local hospital.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/student-stabs-principal-at-rosemead-school.html
We need more severe punishment for this type of crime, which has become more frequent in the USA.

 

[whatevergirl]

In Singapore, the boy was punished by very mild caning. People need to learn to respect property rights of others.

*Not sure why you are bringing this case up, though…this thread is about a 13 yr old girl getting 90 lashings…over bringing in a cell phone and assaulting her teacher. She deserves to be punished, but not this. If you believe so, we will have to agree to disagree… *

 

[whatevergirl]

Just a few days ago, in the local American Catholic high school, a boy knifed the principal in his office. The principal ended up in the local hospital.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/student-stabs-principal-at-rosemead-school.html
We need more severe punishment for this type of crime, which has become more frequent in the USA.

But, why did the boy do this? It’s not enough to just throw the boy away in a cell…or beat him to a pulp. Is that justice? No, it’s not. I am not defending the boy, but kids are different these days…they are coming from broken homes, they are not shown parental love, etc…I’m not defending the actions of this boy, but the more we don’t ask questions, and just throw these kids away into a prison…the more we will see these stats rise.

 

[Rence]

Wow, I guess everyone is ok with this?

I’m not.

I am not okay with this. I find it disgusting. Words can’t even describe my repulsion. I thank God every day that I was born now and in the U.S… And as much as people just can’t stand to read it: it’s yet another reason why I fully support separation of Church and State. For those of you who don’t agree, it’s okay, it’s your perogative. The fact that you’re here, and now, gives you permission to believe whatever floats your boat

 

[sidbrown]

But, why did the boy do this? It’s not enough to just throw the boy away in a cell…or beat him to a pulp. Is that justice? No, it’s not. I am not defending the boy, but kids are different these days…they are coming from broken homes, they are not shown parental love, etc…I’m not defending the actions of this boy, but the more we don’t ask questions, and just throw these kids away into a prison…the more we will see these stats rise.

I don;t follow what these whimpy psychologists recommend. They are the ones who have gotten us into trouble. I follow the Holy Bible which is the word of God. And what does the Bible recommend here:
PROVERBS

13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

 

[juliamajor]

Perhaps we will see a lot less crime as the Muslim population increases.

Oh,great.Can’t wait to get a burka on

 

[juliamajor]

Maybe that’s a mistake and is why there is so much crime in the USA as contrasted to the low crime rate in Saudi Arabia.

I would not exchange my freedom to enact Draconian measure to lower crime.

 

[whatevergirl]

I don;t follow what these whimpy psychologists recommend. They are the ones who have gotten us into trouble. I follow the Holy Bible which is the word of God. And what does the Bible recommend here:
PROVERBS

13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

*You don’t have to beat a kid, to get him to do right. I am raising some pretty terrific human beings, and we didn’t hit them as punishment. I’m not judging anyone who chooses spankings as a means of getting a child’s attention…but, I don’t believe you hit a child to get them to do right. Teachers and clergy comment on how my children listen and are attentive…and mannerly. No beatings, go figure.

I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on this, which is fine…everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but the Bible doesn’t promote child abuse.

AND…

We are straying from the topic…the topic isn’t about whether or not to spank…the topic has to do with the outrageous abuse a 13 yr old girl is going to receive. I don’t think we can liken that to a good old fashioned swat on the bottom, when a child is a toddler. *

 

[juliamajor]

the USA has too much freedom. Take for example the freedom to abort an unborn child. And the punishment for crimes is too lax in the USA. That is why there is so much crime in the USA as contrasted with other countries, such as Singapore, which has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. People in the USA are living in fear as they demand the right to carry guns to protect themselves against the rampant crime all around them.

You must have complete justice to have peace.Law does not equal justice.justice is measured even handed-the poor and the rich are treated with equanimity.Do you see that in the USA? I don’t .So why expect the poor and downtrodden to respect laws that they are punished for when their"betters"(class, and economic wise) either skip off scot free, go to club Fed or get severely reduced sentences?!
The Limit traditionally for flogging was 40 lashes minus one.Anything over was considered way over the bounds.

 

[juliamajor]

I don;t follow what these whimpy psychologists recommend. They are the ones who have gotten us into trouble. I follow the Holy Bible which is the word of God. And what does the Bible recommend here:
PROVERBS

13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying.

22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Believe it or not God works through knowledge, physicians and psychologists.
Beating a child does nothing but make that child want to beat up on someone else.A slap on the butt is not the same as getting beaten.

 

[sidbrown]

*You don’t have to beat a kid, to get him to do right. I am raising some pretty terrific human beings, and we didn’t hit them as punishment. I’m not judging anyone who chooses spankings as a means of getting a child’s attention…but, I don’t believe you hit a child to get them to do right. Teachers and clergy comment on how my children listen and are attentive…and mannerly. No beatings, go figure.

I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on this, which is fine…everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but the Bible doesn’t promote child abuse.

AND…

We are straying from the topic…the topic isn’t about whether or not to spank…the topic has to do with the outrageous abuse a 13 yr old girl is going to receive. I don’t think we can liken that to a good old fashioned swat on the bottom, when a child is a toddler. *

But soesn’t the Holy Bible say:
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

 

[sidbrown]

Believe it or not God works through knowledge, physicians and psychologists.
Beating a child does nothing but make that child want to beat up on someone else.A slap on the butt is not the same as getting beaten.

So you disagree with the infallible Word of God on this?
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

 

[juliamajor]

But soesn’t the Holy Bible say:
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

That has to be taken in context with the culture of the time.
Jesus might have been aggravated by the moneychangers, he might have made a whip of cord but it doesn’t say he whipped the daylights out of the them to straighten them out.
we should follow Jesus’ example of a better way.

 

[sidbrown]

That has to be taken in context with the culture of the time.
Jesus might have been aggravated by the moneychangers, he might have made a whip of cord but it doesn’t say he whipped the daylights out of the them to straighten them out.
we should follow Jesus’ example of a better way.

Homicides, rapes, robbery, vehicle theft, burglary, these are all crimes that should be taken with the culture of our time. If we follow the Bible in the area of discipline, perhaps there would be less crime and fewer people wanting to arm themselves with loaded guns as protection against criminals.

 

[pismopal]

Perhaps we will see a lot less crime as the Muslim population increases.

You will see less of a lot of things including religious freedom…personal freedom… the inside of your Catholic Church or your local library. By the way, crime was way down in Germany in the 1940’s.

 

[Dionysus]

You will see less of a lot of things including religious freedom…personal freedom… the inside of your Catholic Church or your local library. By the way, crime was way down in Germany in the 1940’s.

Contrary to popular belief, the fact that the Nazis did something does not mean that it is necessarily bad. Hitler was a vegetarian. Does that mean we should worry about vegetarians trying to exterminate an ethnic minority?

 

[a_priori]

So you disagree with the infallible Word of God on this?
23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Jump into the Old Testament and follow it to the letter. Let me know how that works out for ya.

 

[sidbrown]

Contrary to popular belief, the fact that the Nazis did something does not mean that it is necessarily bad. Hitler was a vegetarian.

Yes, Hitler was a vegetarian, but I don;t see where that should dissuade anyone from vegetarianism.