Last Supper Question

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Hopefully a quick question.

How exactly did transubstantiation occur at the last supper if Jesus had not yet been sacrificed?

I’m sure my confusion is nothing but a bit of ignorance on my part. However, I can’t find anything on it.

References from official catholic teaching would appreciated 🙂

Thank you guys,
Ryan
 
Since our LORD had complete command over the substance of HIS body – even to the extent of taking himself into and out of death – HE could easily infuse HIS “bodyness” into the bread and wine, despite having not yet died.

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TheInquisitor said:
Hopefully a quick question.

How exactly did transubstantiation occur at the last supper if Jesus had not yet been sacrificed?
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How would you expect Jesus to offer bread and wine from the cross? Since when is the Eucharist and the sacrifice on the cross a different sacrifice?
 
I’m sure there are scholars here who will have the exact references, but may I just say that this is what I believe is the answer to your question: Because Christ is the Word of God, God’s Word Incarnate, and He spoke “Take, eat, this is My Body…” so by God’s Divine power, His Sacrifice is beyond time, for all time, and by the power of the Trinity. He spoke it, and so it is truth, praise God!:heaven:
 
Do you have a copy of Catholicism for Dummies? Excellent resource for all Catholics, but especially for those in RCIA. It should clear up many if not all of your questions. I learn each time I open it. Since it has the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat, it may be used as a catechism.
 
Any discussion about when the conversion actually happened to the bread and wine at the Last Supper misses the point of the Eucharist…that is that WE,the Church, are the Body of Christ. Transubstantiation is one way of thinking about Real Presence and I don’t disagree that it is a good belief. However I think we can get carried away with trying to understand in earthly terms that which is not of this earth.
 
Anna_Claire said:
Any discussion about when the conversion actually happened to the bread and wine at the Last Supper misses the point of the Eucharist…that is that WE,the Church, are the Body of Christ. Transubstantiation is one way of thinking about Real Presence and I don’t disagree that it is a good belief. However I think we can get carried away with trying to understand in earthly terms that which is not of this earth.
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Funny how those who cannot believe that the bread and wine are transubstantiated firmly believe that God created everything from nothing. :confused:
 
** firmly believe that God created everything from nothing. /B

I think all Christians believe that.:)**
 
Po18guy…what are you really saying? I believe in everything taught about The Eucharist and Real Presence but I refuse to reduce it to “a thing”. Eucharist is a presence that we can never understand fully.
 
Luvtosew said:
** firmly believe that God created everything from nothing. **
Anna Claire;8747361:
Po18guy…what are you really saying? I believe in everything taught about The Eucharist and Real Presence but I refuse to reduce it to “a thing”. Eucharist is a presence that we can never understand fully.
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What I was focusing on is those (all) Christians who firmly believe that God created all from nothing, yet (mainly non-denominational Christians) do not believe that the bread and wine are substantially changed into the Body and Blood of our Lord. To me, it takes much more faith to believe in the all-from-nothing act of creation, than it does to believe that something which already exists (bread) is changed into something else (Jesus Christ) at the consecration.

Of course, while the Eucharist is an ‘object’, it is the supreme object: Jesus Christ.
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TheInquisitor said:
Hopefully a quick question.

How exactly did transubstantiation occur at the last supper if Jesus had not yet been sacrificed?

I’m sure my confusion is nothing but a bit of ignorance on my part. However, I can’t find anything on it.

References from official catholic teaching would appreciated 🙂

Thank you guys,
Ryan
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Why do you think that Christ had to die on the cross first before transubstantiation could take place? What Christ was giving his Apostles at the Last Supper was His living body, and His living blood, not His dead body. Let us read the text from Matthew:

" And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke, and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat: This is my body. And taking the chalice he gave thanks: and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament which shall be shed for many, for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:-28).

Pay attention to the bold-faced words. He was talking of His living body, and His living blood “which shall be shed for many.” It was the same Body, the same Blood that will be offered on the cross for a sacrifice.

In Old Testament times, priests offered living animals for a sacrifice. Nobody in his right mind would offer a dead animal. What kind of a sacrifice would that be? The fitting sacrifice for God was a living animal. What Christ offered to the Father at the cross was His living Body - the best sacrifice of all. During the last supper, Christ was giving Himself to the Apostles, that they might see the offering that He was going to make at the cross.

At Mass during communion we are also given the chance to “taste and see” the offering that He made to the Father on that solemn day on Calvary. What you receive in Holy Communion is also the living Body and/or living Blood of our Lord, confirming what He said in John 6:51-52: “I am the living bread, which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread which I will give, is my flesh for the life of the world.”
 
Christ is not an object or even the " supreme object". The Eucharist is Real Presence…a living presence…not something but someone.
 
Anna_Claire said:
Po18guy…what are you really saying? I believe in everything taught about The Eucharist and Real Presence but I refuse to reduce it to “a thing”. Eucharist is a presence that we can never understand fully.
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What on earth made you think that I am asking you to reduce our Lord to “a thing”? Methinks you completely misunderstand.
 
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