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The pastor rambles during his homilies. Which wouldn’t be so bad if his homily had parts in which he bashed the latin mass for being a dead language that nobody understands. He said the “old traditional way” didn’t speak to the people. Today, we focus on the priest, but we have to deal with his personality, he jokes. He questioned aloud why is it people complain about going to mass for an hour. He talked about the Eucharist being our high point and I couldn’t help thinking in my head. I know why people complain. I know why only 1/4 Catholics believe in the Real Presence. I know why less than 10% of “Catholics” in their 20s go to mass, and I know why most people who attend the Latin Mass are in their 20s.
After his very long homily(56 minutes into mass) he skipped the “Apostles”(not Nicene) Creed, saying we’d do it another time. As they brought up the gifts he was motioning them to hurry with his hands and did a pretend run to hurry them up. His Communion lightning fast.
I don’t think I’ll be going back to that mass.
 
FirstCalled said:
The pastor rambles during his homilies. Which wouldn’t be so bad if his homily had parts in which he bashed the latin mass for being a dead language that nobody understands. He said the “old traditional way” didn’t speak to the people. Today, we focus on the priest, but we have to deal with his personality, he jokes. He questioned aloud why is it people complain about going to mass for an hour. He talked about the Eucharist being our high point and I couldn’t help thinking in my head. I know why people complain. I know why only 1/4 Catholics believe in the Real Presence. I know why less than 10% of “Catholics” in their 20s go to mass, and I know why most people who attend the Latin Mass are in their 20s.
After his very long homily(56 minutes into mass) he skipped the “Apostles”(not Nicene) Creed, saying we’d do it another time. As they brought up the gifts he was motioning them to hurry with his hands and did a pretend run to hurry them up. His Communion lightning fast.
I don’t think I’ll be going back to that mass.
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i wouldn’t
 
FirstCalled said:
The pastor rambles during his homilies. Which wouldn’t be so bad if his homily had parts in which he bashed the latin mass for being a dead language that nobody understands. He said the “old traditional way” didn’t speak to the people. Today, we focus on the priest, but we have to deal with his personality, he jokes. He questioned aloud why is it people complain about going to mass for an hour. He talked about the Eucharist being our high point and I couldn’t help thinking in my head. I know why people complain. I know why only 1/4 Catholics believe in the Real Presence. I know why less than 10% of “Catholics” in their 20s go to mass, and I know why most people who attend the Latin Mass are in their 20s.
After his very long homily(56 minutes into mass) he skipped the “Apostles”(not Nicene) Creed, saying we’d do it another time. As they brought up the gifts he was motioning them to hurry with his hands and did a pretend run to hurry them up. His Communion lightning fast.
I don’t think I’ll be going back to that mass.
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That must have been so disheartening. 😦 Even though I am a baby Catholic (confirmed at Easter vigil!) I would have been so sorrowful to see a priest behave in that way. I hope you are able to find a place to regularly attend mass that is reverent and celebratory.
 
FirstCalled said:
The pastor rambles during his homilies. Which wouldn’t be so bad if his homily had parts in which he bashed the latin mass for being a dead language that nobody understands. He said the “old traditional way” didn’t speak to the people. Today, we focus on the priest, but we have to deal with his personality, he jokes. He questioned aloud why is it people complain about going to mass for an hour. He talked about the Eucharist being our high point and I couldn’t help thinking in my head. I know why people complain. I know why only 1/4 Catholics believe in the Real Presence. I know why less than 10% of “Catholics” in their 20s go to mass, and I know why most people who attend the Latin Mass are in their 20s.
After his very long homily(56 minutes into mass) he skipped the “Apostles”(not Nicene) Creed, saying we’d do it another time. As they brought up the gifts he was motioning them to hurry with his hands and did a pretend run to hurry them up. His Communion lightning fast.
I don’t think I’ll be going back to that mass.
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And I’ve been to 2 Ordinary Form Masses this weekend where none of these things happened. Your quarrel would seem to be with this priest, not with the form of the Mass.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
And I’ve been to 2 Ordinary Form Masses this weekend where none of these things happened. Your quarrel would seem to be with this priest, not with the form of the Mass.
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Yes, I agree with this statement very much. My local parish, where I was confirmed, has only OF masses, and I have never seen such poor behavior. Our priest is a fan of Gregorian chants during mass (even though we still use only English). We have a very traditional parish, or at least, our priest and many people in our church are very traditional. A friend of mine is beginning the diaconate program, and he said that there is some momentum building to encourage more reverence and respect for older traditions in our parish. I was very pleased to hear this. 🙂
 
My biggest issue was with the priest’s behavior. I would have like a more reverent NO mass as I know what to expect at a NO mass. But it was disheartening seeing mass being treated so.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
And I’ve been to 2 Ordinary Form Masses this weekend where none of these things happened. Your quarrel would seem to be with this priest, not with the form of the Mass.
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duh, i go to the NO all the time and have never seen any of this, but if i did i wouldnt go back to that parish when that priest says mass
 
OP, I’m really sad that you experienced such a poor N.O. Mass. Hopefully, with the older priests retiring and the younger more orthodox ones replacing them the N.O. will change for the better.

Keep praying!
 
FirstCalled said:
My biggest issue was with the priest’s behavior. I would have like a more reverent NO mass as I know what to expect at a NO mass. But it was disheartening seeing mass being treated so.
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That’s too bad. I haven’t gotten any of that in our NO Mass’s. We almost always hear why reconciliation is necessary, that we need to be humble, about the Real Presence. I myself right now am not all that fond of the Latin but I’m newly returned and it’s a lot to take in…and my husband is converting and he gets really lost with Latin. But, our priest was explaining in RCIA about why the new translation…about how it’s turning the English mass back to more what the Latin mass is saying…so that we are all saying Mass the same with the Latin unifying it. It made much more sense to me when he explained it that way.
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
about how it’s turning the English mass back to more what the Latin mass is saying…so that we are all saying Mass the same with the Latin unifying it.
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That’s a good way of putting it. But remember a lot of people still have to know the Latin in order to make this work. English language changes meanings all the time, Church Latin doesn’t. The word “gay,” for example.
 
ProVobis said:
That’s a good way of putting it. But remember a lot of people still have to know the Latin in order to make this work. English language changes meanings all the time, Church Latin doesn’t. The word “gay,” for example.
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I would agree…which I would guess is how it got away from the Latin meaning in the first place? Of course some of the changes will feel a little clumbsy to me…at first…but having this understanding helps me…I will slug through it.
 
VetA said:
duh, i go to the NO all the time and have never seen any of this, but if i did i wouldnt go back to that parish when that priest says mass
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Amen. But don’t you think the subject is misleading? It seems the OF Mass is being blamed, not the priest. I too don’t see anything wrong with the Mass itself.
 
ProVobis said:
That’s a good way of putting it. But remember a lot of people still have to know the Latin in order to make this work. English language changes meanings all the time, Church Latin doesn’t. The word “gay,” for example.
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Laypeople at a Mass celebrated in Latin don’t need to be Latinists. They just need a missal and a good grasp of the structure of the Mass.

When I started attending EF Masses, at first I was overly concerned with following along word-for-word with what the priest was saying; soon I learned that this isn’t the point of Mass. It’s laudable, of course, to follow along with the Mass, and I’m not saying that we should all be lost in private devotions instead of praying the words of the Mass. But it’s nice to know that the Mass doesn’t depend on me. Christ becomes present in the Eucharist whether I pray along with the entire Roman Canon or just allow myself to privately contemplate the mystery of the Incarnation. (That’s why I love the EF—liturgical silence is freedom.)
 
It is NOT the Novus Ordo (or “Ordinary Form”) which is the problem. It is that particular priest abusing the liturgy. A Novus Ordo mass carried out properly is extremely beautiful.

By the way, the Novus Ordo can be said in Latin. It can be said in any language.
 
hartleymartin said:
It is NOT the Novus Ordo (or “Ordinary Form”) which is the problem. It is that particular priest abusing the liturgy. A Novus Ordo mass carried out properly is extremely beautiful.

By the way, the Novus Ordo can be said in Latin. It can be said in any language.
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Exactly right; there is nothing wrong with the ordinary form of celebrating Mass…although the way this form is typically presented often leaves alot to be desired, I have to say. The case presented is but one of a jillion examples of contemporary liturgies that leave a bad taste in your mouth.

But, truth be told, I have had the same bad taste left in my mouth after poorly-celebrated Tridentine Masses, too. Reverence and solemnity depend as much upon the celebrant as the rubrics. Priests who are crazy to the left can be appalling, as can be priests who are deranged to the right. Both tend to shout lunacy from the pulpit; both tend to add their own things to the Mass to “improve” it; both tend to turn what ought to be a beautiful Eucharstic celebration into a circus.

In the face of a priest who is there in persona himself and not in persona Christi–be he “OF” or “EF”–what can one do? It’s not the missal’s fault, however, but the priest’s.
 
hartleymartin said:
By the way, the Novus Ordo can be said in Latin.
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True, and they don’t need special approval.
It can be said in any language.
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Only in those languages the Vatican and the bishops have approved. There are approximately 7000 languages spoken in the world; I don’t think there are texts for a thousand of them. Looking at it from a practical and fiscal standpoint, it costs money to translate and retranslate. They don’t owe us translations from the Latin.
 
Damase said:
Laypeople at a Mass celebrated in Latin don’t need to be Latinists. They just need a missal and a good grasp of the structure of the Mass.
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True for Mass in any language. One should be able to go to an Italian Mass or a Vietnamese Mass and be able to understand it as well. And I don’t think they’ll toss me out if I don’t exercise my vocal chords in responding.

But consider this. When we learned the Our Father or Creed in English as cradles, did we understand every word? Probably not. We just memorized it; the understanding came later. We can do the same in any other language too, I would think, if we had the motivation.
When I started attending EF Masses, at first I was overly concerned with following along word-for-word with what the priest was saying; soon I learned that this isn’t the point of Mass. It’s laudable, of course, to follow along with the Mass, and I’m not saying that we should all be lost in private devotions instead of praying the words of the Mass. But it’s nice to know that the Mass doesn’t depend on me. Christ becomes present in the Eucharist whether I pray along with the entire Roman Canon or just allow myself to privately contemplate the mystery of the Incarnation. (That’s why I love the EF—liturgical silence is freedom.)
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