Latin Mass banned in US Anglican Use Ordinariate

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Rich_C said:
For better or worse, I understand that ordinariat churches in our region are under a lot of pressure to give the OF a prominent place in their schedule of Masses.
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This is IMHO truly unfortunate. I will share that as an Eastern Catholic, I have followed the development of the AOs with great interest. Every indication was given, from Rome on down, that the purpose of the Ordinariates was to ensure the preservation and continuity of Anglican patrimony, but in Communion with Rome. Why would anyone feel that the Anglican Ordinariate churches should celebrate either the OF or the EF? Wouldn’t that make the faithful of the Anglican Ordinariates nothing more than converts to Latin Catholicism? Who is asserting this pressure? Surely not the Metropolitan Archbishop of Baltimore …
 
YoungTradCath said:
I still haven’t figured out where it says the EF is banned…
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FWIW, me neither. “Banned” implies that something inherent has been prohibited.

Unless I am woefully misinformed or have dreadfully misinterpreted Rome’s intent and that of the Ordinaries themselves, neither the OF or the EF are proper to the Anglican Ordinariate. That does not mean that their priests could not serve them with the permission of the local Latin hierarch, but that requirement alone is telling.
 
YoungTradCath said:
I still haven’t figured out where it says the EF is banned…
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I don’t think it was really banned. A tempest in a tea-pot, but when the whole ordinariate is not much bigger than a tea-pot, I guess it matters.
 
Rich_C said:
For better or worse, I understand that ordinariat churches in our region are under a lot of pressure to give the OF a prominent place in their schedule of Masses.

Even though that pressure doesn’t come from public policy like this one (statement from the ordinary banning the EF), the double-standard sends the wrong message. I hope things are more even-handed elsewhere.
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It is my impression that some of that comes from the Pastoral Provision where AU parishes were under the jurisdiction of the local Bishop rather than an Ordinariy. I suppose that some bishops are more supportive of things than others which is sad, but to be expected. With many parishes which came in through the Pastoral Provision making the move towards the Ordinariate they will not be under the local bishop but rather the ordinary. Perhaps we will see less of that?
 
Usbek_de_Perse said:
There was so much back and forth on this subject that “the powers that be” have “asked” that the lively blog, the Anglo-Catholic suspend its activities.

As an outsider to these matters (an Episcopalian) I have the impression that Bishop Steenson is out of his depth (he may have been out of his depth in the Episcopal diocese of Rio Grande as well). It has been less than a year since the US ordinariate was established. In the same time in 2011 we heard continuous reports of the activities and vitality of the UK ordinariate. We ain’t hearing much except dissension.
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I would suggest that the UK is the size of Rhode Island while the Msgr. is trying to deal with a very large territory and incorporate a structure in the Pastoral Provision which existed prior to this situation. I can’t imagine this being anything but difficult.

Peace,
 
jwinch2 said:
I would suggest that the UK is the size of Rhode Island while the Msgr. is trying to deal with a very large territory and incorporate a structure in the Pastoral Provision which existed prior to this situation. I can’t imagine this being anything but difficult.

Peace,
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I wonder just how many souls are still in the Episcopal Diocese of the Rio Grande? I was born in Hobbs NM and went to St Christopher’s church.

I have looked at the diocese website and I find a lot of churches missing, even the Pro cathedral of St Clements in El Paso which I think was the largest church in the Texas portion, have many of those churches gone to the Ordinarate? I don’t think St Clement’s has since it has been historically low church morning prayer 3 sundays of 4.
 
Contarini said:
Actually, a number of very Anglo-Catholic parishes (the sort most likely to join the Ordinariate) do use some Latin.

Edwin
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Yes, that has been my understanding and experience as well. Hence my earlier [post=9809818]reference[/post] to use of the Knox Missal. 😉
 
ByzCathCantor said:
This is IMHO truly unfortunate. I will share that as an Eastern Catholic, I have followed the development of the AOs with great interest. Every indication was given, from Rome on down, that the purpose of the Ordinariates was to ensure the preservation and continuity of Anglican patrimony, but in Communion with Rome. Why would anyone feel that the Anglican Ordinariate churches should celebrate either the OF or the EF? Wouldn’t that make the faithful of the Anglican Ordinariates nothing more than converts to Latin Catholicism? Who is asserting this pressure? Surely not the Metropolitan Archbishop of Baltimore …
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In regard to the Usus Antiquior, there are those Anglican (more specifically “Anglo-Catholic”) communities that have customarily used the Knox Missal for quite some time. Which means that the Usus Antiquior is not exactly alien. Now, in regard to the Novus Ordo, I have to agree. That’s what prompted my earlier [post=9811918]comment[/post].

I suppose the matter will not be settled, though, until there is a formal promulgation of an Anglican Use Missal (and by that I mean beyond the provisional one that is in current use) which, hopefully, will have a Latin version. 🙂
 
malphono said:
In regard to the Usus Antiquior, there are those Anglican (more specifically “Anglo-Catholic”) communities that have customarily used the Knox Missal for quite some time. Which means that the Usus Antiquior is not exactly alien. Now, in regard to the Novus Ordo, I have to agree. That’s what prompted my earlier [post=9811918]comment[/post].
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So the Knox Missal would represent the Anglican Use version of the Usus Antiquior, at least for the moment - correct?
 
SKWill said:
Or attempt to use Anglican Use/Ordinariate parishes merely as Mass venues while refusing to integrate into parish life: atonementparish.blogspot.com/2007/07/summorum-pontificum.html
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Very interesting, and disappointing article. Thanks for sharing it. The issues contained therein might explain some of the reasons why there are not currently more parishes, Anglican Use or otherwise, adopting the EF of the Mass. Until Traditionalists stop acting in this way, I see a ceiling coming not too far down the road in the availability of the EF of the Mass.

A discussion on those types of things can be found here in an article linked by the OP: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=712053
 
I’m glad he ended the article with:
On the other hand, perhaps our experience was unique and no other parishes will have these difficulties. Our Holy Father has granted this out of his pastoral love for the Church. We need to work and pray that it will produce the intended good fruits.
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Traditionalists could have a bunker mentality after 40 years. The best way to introduce a TLM into an existing mass schedule is to introduce Latin elements into an existing OF gradually, from what I’ve read. The Ordinariate is a unique situation ; it seems that parish tried a TLM, traditionalists were exclusive about it and made a fatal error, according to that article: their manners were poor.

The masses attendees which I go to would love to be more integrated into parish life, but not at the expense of rigour. They are organised by the Latin Mass Society, which attracts aficionados, so by its nature it may be on the periphery(?)

I guess the re-introduction of the TLM worldwide will not be friction free. I look forward to the day when the TLM may be a regular part of parish life and taken for granted, just like the old days and we can get on with doing it badly [sighs wistfully].
 
RogerDeCourcy said:
Traditionalists could have a bunker mentality after 40 years.
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Fair point.
The best way to introduce a TLM into an existing mass schedule is to introduce Latin elements into an existing OF gradually, from what I’ve read.
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Perhaps. I think most are pretty open to the Agnus Dei and the Kyrie being in Latin and Greek. Some of the others will likely take time and may or may not meet with resistance.
The Ordinariate is a unique situation ; it seems that parish tried a TLM, traditionalists were exclusive about it and made a fatal error, according to that article: their manners were poor.
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Agreed. Bunker mentality notwithstanding, people who are hoping for these types of things should consider trying to police themselves as much as possible so that they don’t poison a good situation.
The masses attendees which I go to would love to be more integrated into parish life, but not at the expense of rigour. They are organised by the Latin Mass Society, which attracts aficionados, so by its nature it may be on the periphery(?)
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Perhaps. Though I think it is a fair criticism by the pastor in the case noted above, and other cases which have been discussed. If one is not going to participate in the life of the parish, why would the pastor wish to have it?
I guess the re-introduction of the TLM worldwide will not be friction free. I look forward to the day when the TLM may be a regular part of parish life and taken for granted, just like the old days and we can get on with doing it badly [sighs wistfully].
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Agreed. That would be fine with me.
 
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