Latin Mass cancelled after row over woman server

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I’m sorry to learn that yesterday’s traditional High Mass at Cardiff Cathedral was called off at the last minute because the Dean insisted that a woman server be present in the sanctuary.
The Latin Mass Society cancelled the service because female altar servers are not part of the tradition of the pre-1970 Mass. Opponents of the Pope’s reintroduction of the old Mass must be delighted – what an ingenious way of throwing a spanner in the works!
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Fr Tim Finigan broke the news on his excellent blog, commenting that the Vatican is going to have to sort this one out.
Personally, I’m sorry that the LMS didn’t go ahead notwithstanding the presence of the woman altar server. It’s true that the classical form of Mass makes no provision for this innovation, introduced by Pope John Paul II – but by stretching a point the society would have denied liberals the delicious pleasure of seeing the event cancelled.
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Perhaps some of our British brethren can say why the English bishops are so opposed to the TLM?

For, make no mistake about it, this is not about including woman in the traditional Latin Mass: it is about excluding traditionalists from the cathedrals of England and Wales, where they are not wanted.
 
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Perhaps some of our British brethren can say why the English bishops are so opposed to the TLM?

For, make no mistake about it, this is not about including woman in the traditional Latin Mass: it is about excluding traditionalists from the cathedrals of England and Wales, where they are not wanted.
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This is awful. It’s obviously just a way to antagonize the traditional mass people. No traditional Catholic woman would be willing to be an altar server, let alone demand it.
 
As female altar servers are legit, IF a female wanted to serve as an acolyte for a TLM mass this should be allowed, however, a priest or bishop should not insist upon it.
 
Our English Bishops are rather liberal. It is unfortunate.

The amount of resistance our Latin Mass group has had getting a traditional Mass is outrageous.

This situation does not suprise me one little bit. Nonsensical modern novelties.

Let us pray that God’s will may be done in this situation.

JD
 
Yerusalyim said:
As female altar servers are legit, IF a female wanted to serve as an acolyte for a TLM mass this should be allowed, however, a priest or bishop should not insist upon it.
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It is my understanding that the TLM is celebrated according to the norms of the TLM. No women/girl servers. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
 
The Church made NO DISTINCTION between TLM or NO when it allowed female altar servers.
 
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The Church made NO DISTINCTION between TLM or NO when it allowed female altar servers.
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But the TLM does not use them. It has its own set of rules.

I’m not knowledgeable on these details (hence my request for documentation).

I go to a TLM and I also go to the N.O. Mass without prejudice either way.

But the use of female servers is by permission rather than by requirement, I would think it entirely contrary to the spirit of generosity counseled in the Motu Proprio to require something for the TLM that is not required for the Novus Ordo.
 
It is the permission of the Bishop that allows female Altar servers…so even if the rubrics for the TLM forbid it, the indult of the bishop SHOULD be sufficient to nullify that requirement. As I understand it, this is one area that a commission will look at.
 
Good point mercygate. There are parishes near me that offer only the ordinary form, but also only permit males to be altar servers.
 
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It is the permission of the Bishop that allows female Altar servers…so even if the rubrics for the TLM forbid it, the indult of the bishop SHOULD be sufficient to nullify that requirement. As I understand it, this is one area that a commission will look at.
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I can’t say that I am burning to know the outcome but if you are going to be on top of this, please put up a post when there is some resolution.

Isn’t the whole IDEA of the TLM to BE the TLM of 1962. No female servers in '62! But I’ll wait to see how this goes.
 
yeah it doesn’t seem like any traditionalist women out there would be interested in being a server… maybe they should find a traditional priest to have the traditional mass, and avoid these things altogether?
 
While it is true that there is no distinction in the rules for TLM or NO, it must be reminded that its up to the Priest who can decide whether to have female altar servers. If a Priest doesn’t want them, there is nothing legitimate that the Bishop can do. That is from the Vatican.
 
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Could you amply your response of “no?”
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Because canonically the choice of using or not using female altar servers belongs to the priest celebrating the Mass, nobody else. The bishop may grant permission for females to be altar servers in his diocese but he cannot impose it on any priest.
 
Yerusalyim said:
It is the permission of the Bishop that allows female Altar servers…so even if the rubrics for the TLM forbid it, the indult of the bishop SHOULD be sufficient to nullify that requirement. As I understand it, this is one area that a commission will look at.
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The bishop may allow it, but the Vatican has ruled that the priest is under no obligation to use them. The individual priest may legitmatly opt not to use females.

catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/DocumentContents/Index/2/SubIndex/11/DocumentIndex/556

If the bishop himself cannot require altar girls, how can the Dean (who has less authority)?
 
As Brendan noted, it is actually the permission of the pastor, not the bishop, just like the TLM itself.

Also, female servers are only to be used when male altar servers are unavailable, just as lay ministers of communion are only used when there are not enough clerics.
 
The bishop may allow it, but the Vatican has ruled that the priest is under no obligation to use them. The individual priest may legitmatly opt not to use females.
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I made no comment about a priest being “obligated”…my comment was that if the Bishop allows it the priest can use female altar servers, even at the TLM.
 
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