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DMC12
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St. Benedict rules are aimed to monks.
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Jeanne1184
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If one were to think that I didn’t have similar reactions to the truths I first came in contact with, you would be mistaken. My incredulous response: “How can that be?!” happened more than once. They simply made no sense to my worldly-taught and worldly-lived mind. But rather than toss it out as false, I chose to test it - and that made all the difference.
"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized:
In the first, it is ridiculed.
In the second, it is opposed.
In the third, it is regarded as self-evident."
“A laugh, to be joyous, must flow from a joyous heart, for without kindness, there can be no true joy.” Thomas Carlyle
"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized:
In the first, it is ridiculed.
In the second, it is opposed.
In the third, it is regarded as self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenauer
“A laugh, to be joyous, must flow from a joyous heart, for without kindness, there can be no true joy.” Thomas Carlyle
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thistle
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Nonsense!
Gen 21:6
6 Sarah then said,** "God has given me cause to laugh, and all who hear of it will laugh with me.**
**Psalm 126:2-3: **
2 Our mouths were filled with laughter; our tongues sang for joy. Then it was said among the nations, “The LORD had done great things for them.”
3 The LORD has done great things for us; Oh, how happy we were!
Job 8:21
21 Once more will he fill your mouth with laughter, and your lips with rejoicing.
Eccles 3:4
4 A time to weep, and** a time to laugh**; a time to mourn, and a time to dance.
Luke 6:21
21 Blessed are you who are now hungry, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who are now weeping, for you will laugh.
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CB_Catholic
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Are you saying you never laugh?
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Jeanne1184
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Laughter = ridicule. Quiet abiding Joy…Goodness of heart.
Laughing is used 1 time in the NT. Joy is used over 60 times. Joy is used over 100 times in the OT.
Prov. 14:13 - Even in laughter (H7814) the heart is sorrowful; and the end of that mirth is heaviness.
Ecc. 2:2 – I said of laughter, It is mad: and of mirth, What doeth it?
Laughter in the OT is almost always used as the primary definition in Strong’s as:
laughter, laughingstock, mocking, derision, ridicule, hollow, sport (one right before sport is ‘joyful’).
No one could have convinced me of the difference - I had to find the willingness to see for myself by watching my own behavior. But the insights only begin there.
An article on the web gave the history of origin of ‘laughter’ before Hebrew (Proto-Semitic). It seemed odd, at first, that ‘laughter and sex’ went together at one time. Others make a case for dual meaning in the OT today (H7832 word).
However, when I thought about the ‘let down’ that came after a strong bout of laughter, it made sense. There are probably other similarities…
Perhaps there is also a connection between laughter and yawning - in the way they are both contagious. A project for another day.
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Jeanne1184
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Not at all; although it’s seldom (‘never’ would require perfect vigilence). It isn’t as if laughter is gone and now there’s nothing. Joy is far better. Don’t know how else to say it.
“Don’t believe anything I say. Desire to know for yourself if what I say is true.” (AA) That’s the only way - experience.
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vames
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So are these normal human beings laughing because they “ridicule others” and lack goodness of heart?
ncregister.com/images/uploads/laughing-pope-francis.jpg
i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02629/pope-laugh_2629894b.jpg
tinygag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/baby-laugh.jpeg
sciencebuzz.org/sites/default/files/images/laughing%20boy.jpg
Maybe this answer can free you from scrupulosity:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=801299
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Jeanne1184
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Only they would know - if they are aware that a difference exists between laughter and Joy.So are these normal human beings laughing because they “ridicule others” and lack goodness of heart?
Edit: I initially only looked at the first two pics. Babies get to experience pure joy - we get to teach them how to ridicule and call it ‘harmless laughter’ later.
ncregister.com/images/uploads/laughing-pope-francis.jpg
i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02629/pope-laugh_2629894b.jpg
tinygag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/baby-laugh.jpeg
sciencebuzz.org/sites/default/files/images/laughing%20boy.jpg
Maybe this answer can free you from scrupulosity:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=801299
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DMC12
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you are confusing stuff, yes, i think we sometimes need something ridiculous to laugh about, but that does not means it has to be bad, sometimes we laguh at a ridiculous situation, or we make ourselves a ridicule to make others laugh, like clowns, and clowns do have a Patron Saint.
and speaking of him, if laughter was sinful do you think Clowns and comedians would have a Patron Saint?
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Lasting_faith
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I agree with you 110%. Life should not be miserable nor do we need to walk around sad and gloomy searching for sins we can condemn. Without laughter this world would be impossible to live in. It is all about the right time and place, as it is for all others things we may do, the right place, the right time. After all, there are more things we can do then we can not do. “When things get rough, crack a joke and do your best.”Why don’t those who think laughing is sinful, just start a Catholic Taliban community, where you can keep everyone miserable and reprimand anyone who violates misery with happiness and laughter ?
Idle chat and idle laughter were issues St Benedict was addressing in his Rule, which was for monks.
Again, reading the Rule of Life without proper instruction, ends up with some of the faulty ideas expressed in this thread.
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Avila123
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Very pithy and straight to it.
From my perspective, the ability to laugh is a gift from God and as with all gifts it is for us to decide whether to use it wisely, abuse it, bury it or reject it. God has used humor to make me laugh (usually at myself) so that I can take on a lesson gently and learn to be kind to myself. The picture in my signature block will explain why.
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thistle
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Laughter comes from joy.
If you say you prefer to be joyful but that does not involve laughter then honestly I think there is something wrong with that.
Laughter is a God given gift to all. Without it life would be pretty miserable.
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Jeanne1184
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Patron saint for clowns? I had to look it up and, sure 'nuf, St. Genesius. Interesting statue of him which looks like he’s holding an owl’s head. But also in the article on Wiki…it said he was a patron of the Catholic Magician’s Guild - in 300 AD there was a Catholic Magician’s Guild…rather disconcerting, that.
Online today:
“You don’t have to be Catholic to be a member of the Catholic Magicians’ Guild (though it helps…) but you have to be a magician interested in Gospel Magic, the art of using stage magic and sleight-of-hand to teach the Catechism to children and young adults.”
If you still prefer to laugh, okay. But if you ever want something better, perhaps trade it in for Joy.
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Lasting_faith
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Laughter and joy are connected. Joy equals laughter. Simple math. A child are experience joy and the kid start laughing. It does not mean that we should be giggling all the time but we can laugh if we hear a good joke, or watch a funny movie. It is then, of course, up to us what we THINK is fun. For someone it is one thing, for the other something else. We should not laugh at something tasteless, naturally, but I think we all know what is right, if not, we learn by time. In fact, even in The Bible there are some “funny” points. “If someone want you to carry his bag (free translation) one mile, carry it two miles”. Well, that is all well and fine and dandy but what if this person really wanted to walk only ONE mile? (This example is one of the few I have from what my mother did mention once.) So you see, we tend to search for fun things for a very good reason, we NEED to laugh. It is a primary function we are born with, not a sin and habit we pick up while walking thru this life. If someone fall and get hurt we DON’T laugh, but if someone [accidentally] put pepper in his or hers coffee instead of sugar, well, I think it is not a sin to laugh, and then by him or her a new cup of coffee. If someone is disabled or sick we DON’T laugh, but if someone, like my granny, happen to drop all the pot’s in the kitchen and one happen to fall on her head, with the handle pointing forward like a medieval helmet from some opera by Wagner, and is OK and not bleeding to much, we laugh, and then help to clean up the mess. As I have posted many times during this thread, it is ALL about TIME and PLACE, and we really should be able to see when it is OK or not to laugh, Catholic or not, Lutheran or not, and so on, time and place is the keyword in this puzzle, and the knowledge that it is not a sin to have fun and laugh. And this was it for this year, see you all next year, be careful, or, as my favorite DJ from thirty year ago, “Jody” use to end her program with, “if you can’t be good, be careful”. So, HAPPY NEW YEAR to all of you at CAF.
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vames
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Happy new year to you too, Lasting faith, it’s always so good to read your posts
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DMC12
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about the first part, probably it was the same back then, stage magic.Patron saint for clowns? I had to look it up and, sure 'nuf, St. Genesius. Interesting statue of him which looks like he’s holding an owl’s head. But also in the article on Wiki…it said he was a patron of the Catholic Magician’s Guild - in 300 AD there was a Catholic Magician’s Guild…rather disconcerting, that.
Online today:
“You don’t have to be Catholic to be a member of the Catholic Magicians’ Guild (though it helps…) but you have to be a magician interested in Gospel Magic, the art of using stage magic and sleight-of-hand to teach the Catechism to children and young adults.”
If you still prefer to laugh, okay. But if you ever want something better, perhaps trade it in for Joy.
no need to, they are no opposites, you can be joyful and laugh, even the joy would move you to laughter.
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