Laura Ingalls Wilder's name pulled from library award over 'stereotypical

[Cruciferi]

Genetics?

 

[Raxus]

I was referring to your statement here

Aaahhh. Human trafficking isn’t legal in Western civilizations, as far as I am aware. In the Middle East it certainly is, however.

 

[Raxus]

Did you miss the war in the Balkans?

No, do you?

 

[dvdjs]

No, do you?

So, you realize that your comment about the West is in error.

 

[Raxus]

So, you realize that your comment about the West is in error.

I don’t think it is. Can you please clearly state what it is about the Balkan Wars that you think makes my comment erroneous?

 

[dvdjs]

Can you please clearly state what it is about the Balkan Wars that you think makes my comment erroneous?

OTOH, we have continued to see ethnic genocides despite the cries of “never again!” after the Holocaust.

That is also true, though not in any of the Western nations. I blame that on a lack of Western values based on a Judeo-Christian worldview, honestly.

Bosnian genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Findings of genocide post WWII against persons from countries solidly in the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

 

[Raxus]

@dvdjs

Ah. My understanding of all that is that only one of the battles was technically considered a genocide by the countries doing the prosecuting (the rest being war-crimes of various natures), and also that the killing was motivated primarily by a military junta that existed for something like 3 years under the command of a military figure. (The Wikipedia page you linked has some info on this, looks like.) I don’t think one can conflate a short-lived military dictatorship with a civilised Western country based on Judeo-Christian values, and so I think my comment still stands.

Thoughts?

 

[dvdjs]

Thoughts?

These acts were adjudicated to be acts of genocide, and were undertaken people form a nations steeped in Judaeo-Christian values. I think taht your comment has fallen notwithstanding your effort to prop it up with special pleading.

 

[Raxus]

These acts were adjudicated to be acts of genocide

One of them was, according to the Wikipedia article you quoted.

and were undertaken people form a nations steeped in Judaeo-Christian values.

No, they were undertaken by a military junta that had existed for around 3 years, again according to what you cited.

I think taht your comment has fallen notwithstanding your effort to prop it up with special pleading.

I think your tone is strangely confrontational, but I am confident in my assessment based on the evidence.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Yes—the Bosnian genocide, for instance.
I was thinking about the genocodes in Rwanda and Uganda.

The whole world saw the Jewish Holocaust , and were pretty much united in the idea of “never again “, but the sad truth is, that in our broken and sinful world, there’s really no such thing as “never again”.

 

[dvdjs]

Yes—the Bosnian genocide, for instance.

Yes. …

 

[dvdjs]

I think your tone is strangely confrontational, but I am confident in my assessment based on the evidence.

I think that your assessment of my tone is incorrect. i am certain that comments on tone violate forum guidelines.

If you are willing to dismiss these people are somehow outliers who are not part of their nation’s Judaeo-Christian tradition, why not Pol Pot and his countries Buddhist tradition. Why not Mao and his country’s Confucian tradition. The idea that the Judaeo-Christian tradition affords some insulation genocide or democide has little evidence to support it. It relies on a selected time frame and requires explaining away counter evidence.

 

[Raxus]

I think that your assessment of my tone is incorrect.

Fair enough, I have no reason to believe you.

i am certain that comments on tone violate forum guidelines.

It was just an observation. I’ll hope you believe me when I say it wasn’t a personal attack, but do what you think is best.

If you are willing to dismiss these people are somehow outliers who are not part of their nation’s Judaeo-Christian tradition,

…I’ve never heard of a military junta that was based on Judeo-Christian principles, have you?

why not Pol Pot and his countries Buddhist tradition. Why not Mao and his country’s Confucian tradition.

Would you not argue that those two people and their ideologies were drastically, if not diametrically opposed to the traditions of the countries that they essentially overthrew?

The idea that the Judaeo-Christian tradition affords some insulation genocide or democide has little evidence to support it.

I disagree, based solely on the numbers and the fact that your examples are not, in fact, Judeo-Christian at all.

It relies on a selected time frame and requires explaining away counter evidence.

If the explanations are good ones that disprove the counter-evidence, what’s the problem? And, is time-frame not important to you?

 

[dvdjs]

t was just an observation.

See forum FAQ:

Please avoid:
Name-calling
Ad hominem attacks
Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content
Knee-jerk contradiction

If the explanations are good ones that disprove the counter-evidence

Fiar enough. The problem, is that the explanations are not good but a case of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.

 

[Raxus]

See forum FAQ:

Noted, thank you.

The problem, is that the explanations are not good but a case of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.

I don’t think they are, though. A military junta less than three years old is not a Judeo-Christian society by its very definition. It’s a separation from one, if the country from which the military came was a Judeo-Christian one in the first place.

If the junta had kept those values, they wouldn’t have needed to separate at all. Dig? It’s apples and oranges, not a Scotsman fallacy.

 

[dvdjs]

If the junta had kept those values, they wouldn’t have needed to separate at all

Please recall:

OTOH, we have continued to see ethnic genocides despite the cries of “never again!” after the Holocaust.

That is also true, though not in any of the Western nations. I blame that on a lack of Western values based on a Judeo-Christian worldview, honestly.

Your comment was about Western nations and the values there.

Serbia is a Western nation with Western values.
The fact that those perpetrating the genocide had evidently abandoned those values is true, even tautological. But they are still truly of a Western nation and the values there Western and Judaeo-Christian.

 

[Raxus]

Your comment was about Western nations and the values there.

Serbia is a Western nation with Western values.
The fact that those perpetrating the genocide had evidently abandoned those values is true, even tautological. But they are still truly of a Western nation and the values there Western and Judaeo-Christian.

I suspect we might be splitting hairs a little bit, but I can accept that my statement is technically incorrect in the geographical sense. I’m not sure it disproves the larger point that I was trying to make about Judeo-Christian values being a bulwark against such things though. I think the scarcity of Western nations “housing” such crises proves that point.

 

[dvdjs]

I’m not sure it disproves the larger point that I was trying to make about Judeo-Christian values being a bulwark against such things though.

I like to hope that it is, just as I like to hope that similar values in other religious systems also serve as a bulwark. The evidence is that none are perfect bulwarks. I think, moreover, that it is very difficult to make a sound argument that one is better in this regard than another.

 

[Raxus]

I like to hope that it is, just as I like to hope that similar values in other religious systems also serve as a bulwark. The evidence is that none are perfect bulwarks.

Perfection is certainly something we’ll never find here on earth.

I think, moreover, that it is very difficult to make a sound argument that one is better in this regard than another.

I’d disagree, though I’d need time to look at instances of things like recent genocide and current legal slavery in order to know for sure. I deeply suspect that one will find more of these in countries and locations that are not based on Western, Judeo-Christian values. I certainly think that those kinds of societies are demonstrably better than others in most regards.

 

[Ridgerunner]

especially to the girls. i pictured myself on the prairie with her and since i grew up in Kansas i would daydream about what life was like back then. i always felt i was born in the wrong point in history - instead of 1952, i should have been born 80 years earlier!

Take no offense, but I’m sure glad I wasn’t born 80 years earlier. I would almost certainly not have survived childhood. Had what was then called “Scarlatina” with a temp that spiked at 107. But for penicillin, I’m fairly confident I would not have made it.