Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

[edwest2]

Call a drug rehab center. Any drug rehab center. Get the facts.

Sure, legalize all the drugs you want.

I am for less people killing other people, but people will still kill people, especially people they know.

bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/relationship.cfm

I go to the bad parts of Detroit at least twice a month, and you know what? I see bored out of their minds, young black men with no job prospects living in neighborhoods that looked like they were bombed from the air. Where do they go? What do they do? There are no local jobs, and of what there are, it’s about hair styling or car washes or car repair, but there is a very small demand for more workers because the rest of the old places of business are closed, burned out or vandalized beyond any reason to repair.

1. Home invasions will not end because people will get high on legalized drugs, buy a gun and grab valuables because they need food and money to pay the bills if they’re lucky to live in a house or apartment. With no quick cash from illegal dope sales, the bored, hungry and “I don’t want to be homeless” people will do whatever it takes by all means necessary.
2. No hope with dope. I saw a newspaper article stating that illegal drug use is increasing because of the bad economy. So, a poor person of any color is going to spend some time every day getting high because she has a baby but no man. She might have a family but that family is going to suffer, and if the baby harms himself when she’s high, then Child Protective Services will take that child away.
3. The drug war is expensive? You’ll see how expensive treatment gets, and for the indigent, what? Nothing?
4. Poor + no drug money + hungry + a baby and no father. You think health care costs are high now, you’ll see all the war on drugs money shift to hospitals, clinics, shelters and for burial costs.

Make illegal drugs legal? You’ll see families, like I did, in hospitals with a son who has just been told by a doctor that his heart is in bad shape from now legal drug use and they will try to save him but the odds are not good. They will cry, light a candle, say a prayer, and odds are, they will be burying their son a few days later.

Peace,
Ed

 

[CopticChristian]

Call a drug rehab center. Any drug rehab center. Get the facts.

Sure, legalize all the drugs you want.

I am for less people killing other people, but people will still kill people, especially people they know.

bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/relationship.cfm

I go to the bad parts of Detroit at least twice a month, and you know what? I see bored out of their minds, young black men with no job prospects living in neighborhoods that looked like they were bombed from the air. Where do they go? What do they do? There are no local jobs, and of what there are, it’s about hair styling or car washes or car repair, but there is a very small demand for more workers because the rest of the old places of business are closed, burned out or vandalized beyond any reason to repair.

1. Home invasions will not end because people will get high on legalized drugs, buy a gun and grab valuables because they need food and money to pay the bills if they’re lucky to live in a house or apartment. With no quick cash from illegal dope sales, the bored, hungry and “I don’t want to be homeless” people will do whatever it takes by all means necessary.
2. No hope with dope. I saw a newspaper article stating that illegal drug use is increasing because of the bad economy. So, a poor person of any color is going to spend some time every day getting high because she has a baby but no man. She might have a family but that family is going to suffer, and if the baby harms himself when she’s high, then Child Protective Services will take that child away.
3. The drug war is expensive? You’ll see how expensive treatment gets, and for the indigent, what? Nothing?
4. Poor + no drug money + hungry + a baby and no father. You think health care costs are high now, you’ll see all the war on drugs money shift to hospitals, clinics, shelters and for burial costs.

Make illegal drugs legal? You’ll see families, like I did, in hospitals with a son who has just been told by a doctor that his heart is in bad shape from now legal drug use and they will try to save him but the odds are not good. They will cry, light a candle, say a prayer, and odds are, they will be burying their son a few days later.

Peace,
Ed

Ed,

Call what rehab center? If you call a 12 step rehab center you get told that addiction is a disease and you are forever going to have to go to meetings. Call these rehab centers below and you will get other than that. So what are the facts?

soberforever.net/varb.cfm?utm_expid=5865369-5&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogpile.com%2Finfo.dogpl.t5.2%2Fsearch%2Fweb%3Ffcoid%3D417%26fcop%3Dtopnav%26fpid%3D27%26q%3Dst%2Bjude%2Brehab%26ql%3D%26timestamp%3D1348780713921

Research on AddictionDrug Addiction is not a disease Dr. Hanson Research Corner Addiction Rehab Addiction in the USA

and

stgregoryctr.com/

Q. How is your program different?

A. St. Gregory Retreat Centers do not believe that an individual is powerless and addicted forever. (Research does not support this idea either.)

So when you call a rehab center what are the facts?

 

[Bill_7154]

Call a drug rehab center. Any drug rehab center. Get the facts.

I am a former drug counselor and support decriminalization of drugs. I have not seen prison solve people’s drug problems.

1. Home invasions will not end because people will get high on legalized drugs, buy a gun and grab valuables because they need food and money to pay the bills if they’re lucky to live in a house or apartment. With no quick cash from illegal dope sales, the bored, hungry and “I don’t want to be homeless” people will do whatever it takes by all means necessary.

They will lessen significantly. How many alcoholics and cigarette addicts do home invasions to pay the bills? To the extent that home invasions are done by drug addicts, that % of home invasions will disappear. Daily cost of cigarette addict or alcohol addict? 10 bucks? Probably can get by with less? Daily cost of crack addict or herion addict- in excess of $100. Make it legal and the price drops drastically. So now they would be in line around the cost of booze and cigs. And would do home invasions to the same extent that booze addicts and cig addicts do home invasions for cig or booze money or to pay the bills.

If people are doing home invasions for other reasons ending drug prohibtion will not change that. But what it will do is free up police time to investigate and catch home invaders.

I saw a newspaper article stating that illegal drug use is increasing because of the bad economy. So, a poor person of any color is going to spend some time every day getting high because she has a baby but no man. She might have a family but that family is going to suffer, and if the baby harms himself when she’s high, then Child Protective Services will take that child away…

There is certainly a lot of suffering in the world. And people get high because of their suffering. If the drug war were ended there would potentially be a TON of money avaiable to address those things that are now spent on the drug war which doesn’t reduce drug use and gets lots of poeple murdered.

1. The drug war is expensive? You’ll see how expensive treatment gets, and for the indigent, what? Nothing?..

Do drug addicts or the typical low level drug dealer (only the big time guys pay for their own lawyers, I’d guess less than 5%, most dealers are simply making enough to pay rent, they get public defenders and take pleas) now pay for their own legal defense and pay for the price of their incarceration? Those monies could be diverted to treatment.

1. Poor + no drug money + hungry + a baby and no father. You think health care costs are high now, you’ll see all the war on drugs money shift to hospitals, clinics, shelters and for burial costs.

I think it’s obvious the drug war is a failure. We are spending money on failure. And people are getting murdered and millions are suffering because of drugs. I think it’s time to try another approach. Do you think the drug war has been and is being effective?

Make illegal drugs legal? You’ll see families, like I did, in hospitals with a son who has just been told by a doctor that his heart is in bad shape from now legal drug use and they will try to save him but the odds are not good. They will cry, light a candle, say a prayer, and odds are, they will be burying their son a few days later.

This is already happening now Ed.

God Bless,
Bill

 

[edwest2]

Ed,

Call what rehab center? If you call a 12 step rehab center you get told that addiction is a disease and you are forever going to have to go to meetings. Call these rehab centers below and you will get other than that. So what are the facts?

soberforever.net/varb.cfm?utm_expid=5865369-5&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dogpile.com%2Finfo.dogpl.t5.2%2Fsearch%2Fweb%3Ffcoid%3D417%26fcop%3Dtopnav%26fpid%3D27%26q%3Dst%2Bjude%2Brehab%26ql%3D%26timestamp%3D1348780713921

and

stgregoryctr.com/

Q. How is your program different?

So when you call a rehab center what are the facts?

I am trying to point out that this is being portrayed as a single person issue. It’s not and never will be. Families are always affected. Again, this is not an isolated individual issue, it affects everybody the user knows. His school work will suffer, his mind and body will suffer, his behavior will suffer and he will suffer some level of impairment while driving.

Anyone who’s ever applied for a job knows the drill. They will hire you if you are alert, intelligent, have a strong work and ethic and don’t use drugs because companies don’t want future employees injured on the job because of it, or even late to work.

This is common sense. Legalizing current illegal drugs will not make those effects go away.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Bill_Martin]

I am trying to point out that this is being portrayed as a single person issue. It’s not and never will be. Families are always affected. Again, this is not an isolated individual issue, it affects everybody the user knows. His school work will suffer, his mind and body will suffer, his behavior will suffer and he will suffer some level of impairment while driving.

Anyone who’s ever applied for a job knows the drill. They will hire you if you are alert, intelligent, have a strong work and ethic and don’t use drugs because companies don’t want future employees injured on the job because of it, or even late to work.

This is common sense. Legalizing current illegal drugs will not make those effects go away.

Peace,
Ed

The same can be said for the abuse of any substance, most of which are legal such as alcohol, OTC medication, tobacco, etc. Unless all f that stuff is going to be banned as well, there is no reason to single out current illegal drugs. The government is not in charge of my body.

 

[Bill_7154]

I am trying to point out that this is being portrayed as a single person issue. It’s not and never will be. Families are always affected. Again, this is not an isolated individual issue, it affects everybody the user knows. His school work will suffer, his mind and body will suffer, his behavior will suffer and he will suffer some level of impairment while driving.

Anyone who’s ever applied for a job knows the drill. They will hire you if you are alert, intelligent, have a strong work and ethic and don’t use drugs because companies don’t want future employees injured on the job because of it, or even late to work.

This is common sense. Legalizing current illegal drugs will not make those effects go away.

Peace,
Ed

True, and it’s the same (and I think more common) with alcohol. My question is what LEAP’s question is, will ending the drug war lessen the negative impact on society and put us in a better postion to address the things your pointing out as issues. I think it will.

God Bless,
Bill

 

[edwest2]

The same can be said for the abuse of any substance, most of which are legal such as alcohol, OTC medication, tobacco, etc. Unless all f that stuff is going to be banned as well, there is no reason to single out current illegal drugs. The government is not in charge of my body.

We know your stance about government Bill.

THIS IS A CATHOLIC FORUM - not Jerry Springer. I wish some people would get that. Why bother with Catholics if Catholics, or any other group, bother you? Go talk to the lawmakers if you’re so right. Go ahead.

This is about money. I’d like people here to become aware of what the word astroturf means:

“to join an online discussion and pretend to be an independent member of the community. In reality, the “astroturfer” is a a surrogate for some stakeholder - company, political faction, individual, etc. - who has something to gain or lose.”

What’s at stake here?

1. Billions of dollars to “legal” growers, suppliers and distributors. We already have plenty of stores out there selling “growing” supplies so you can get a bigger harvest and bring in a bigger profit. Why should I waste my time going to a store when I can buy it from the guy who is growing it down the street, or grow it myself? He’s not going to charge me any stupid tax. So if the store is selling joints for $10.00 a pack (they have to pay for overhead and taxes), my buddy will sell me a pack for $8.00. No tax. And I trust my grower friend.
2. Billions of dollars to drug companies who will add more poison to the supply chain. Take money away from the mob? Are you kidding? They’re going to buy stock in all the drug companies as soon as their informants on Wall Street leak the news. That doesn’t make the mob any less evil.
3. Billions of dollars to the military to stop rioting, unrest and fighting in other countries because their illegal cash supply has dried up and more poor people will die in the process. But hey - oh well, right?

Peace,
Ed

 

[Bill_Martin]

We know your stance about government Bill.

THIS IS A CATHOLIC FORUM - not Jerry Springer. I wish some people would get that. Why bother with Catholics if Catholics, or any other group, bother you? Go talk to the lawmakers if you’re so right. Go ahead.

This is about money. I’d like people here to become aware of what the word astroturf means:

“to join an online discussion and pretend to be an independent member of the community. In reality, the “astroturfer” is a a surrogate for some stakeholder - company, political faction, individual, etc. - who has something to gain or lose.”

What’s at stake here?

1. Billions of dollars to “legal” growers, suppliers and distributors. We already have plenty of stores out there selling “growing” supplies so you can get a bigger harvest and bring in a bigger profit. Why should I waste my time going to a store when I can buy it from the guy who is growing it down the street, or grow it myself? He’s not going to charge me any stupid tax. So if the store is selling joints for $10.00 a pack (they have to pay for overhead and taxes), my buddy will sell me a pack for $8.00. No tax. And I trust my grower friend.
2. Billions of dollars to drug companies who will add more poison to the supply chain. Take money away from the mob? Are you kidding? They’re going to buy stock in all the drug companies as soon as their informants on Wall Street leak the news. That doesn’t make the mob any less evil.
3. Billions of dollars to the military to stop rioting, unrest and fighting in other countries because their illegal cash supply has dried up and more poor people will die in the process. But hey - oh well, right?

Peace,
Ed

None of those problems existed when Prohibition ended. Legal suppliers of alcohol ruined the criminals who made a heck of a living selling it during the ban.

 

[Bill_7154]

1. Billions of dollars to drug companies who will add more poison to the supply chain. Take money away from the mob? Are you kidding? They’re going to buy stock in all the drug companies as soon as their informants on Wall Street leak the news. That doesn’t make the mob any less evil.

Peace,
Ed

Ed,

What would you say separates the mob and the way they operate as a business from other businesses?

God Bless,
Bill (different Bill than you quoted)

 

[CopticChristian]

We know your stance about government Bill.

THIS IS A CATHOLIC FORUM - not Jerry Springer. I wish some people would get that. Why bother with Catholics if Catholics, or any other group, bother you? Go talk to the lawmakers if you’re so right. Go ahead.

This is about money. I’d like people here to become aware of what the word astroturf means:

“to join an online discussion and pretend to be an independent member of the community. In reality, the “astroturfer” is a a surrogate for some stakeholder - company, political faction, individual, etc. - who has something to gain or lose.”

What’s at stake here?

1) Billions of dollars to “legal” growers, suppliers and distributors. We already have plenty of stores out there selling “growing” supplies so you can get a bigger harvest and bring in a bigger profit. Why should I waste my time going to a store when I can buy it from the guy who is growing it down the street, or grow it myself? He’s not going to charge me any stupid tax. So if the store is selling joints for $10.00 a pack (they have to pay for overhead and taxes), my buddy will sell me a pack for $8.00. No tax. And I trust my grower friend.

1. Billions of dollars to drug companies who will add more poison to the supply chain. Take money away from the mob? Are you kidding? They’re going to buy stock in all the drug companies as soon as their informants on Wall Street leak the news. That doesn’t make the mob any less evil.
2. Billions of dollars to the military to stop rioting, unrest and fighting in other countries because their illegal cash supply has dried up and more poor people will die in the process. But hey - oh well, right?

Peace,
Ed

Ed,

I cannot recall anyone trying to promote home made Gin, Whiskey, etc…beer and wine possibly but they are not making a living at it and it is just for private consumption. The stores are making the money and taxes are getting gathered.

 

[edwest2]

Ed,

I cannot recall anyone trying to promote home made Gin, Whiskey, etc…beer and wine possibly but they are not making a living at it and it is just for private consumption. The stores are making the money and taxes are getting gathered.

I don’t believe that regarding marijuana. I’ve watched the grower shops spring up and I’ve seen the free promotional publications regarding their very bad for your health product.

Taxes, money, good. People’s health? So what? Who cares?

Peace,
Ed

 

[Bill_Martin]

I don’t believe that regarding marijuana. I’ve watched the grower shops spring up and I’ve seen the free promotional publications regarding their very bad for your health product.

Taxes, money, good. People’s health? So what? Who cares?

Peace,
Ed

What’s the difference between this and any other product that is bad for your health and why should the government ban this and not everything else?

 

[TimeEntrance]

I am trying to point out that this is being portrayed as a single person issue. It’s not and never will be. Families are always affected. Again, this is not an isolated individual issue, it affects everybody the user knows. His school work will suffer, his mind and body will suffer, his behavior will suffer and he will suffer some level of impairment while driving.

Anyone who’s ever applied for a job knows the drill. They will hire you if you are alert, intelligent, have a strong work and ethic and don’t use drugs because companies don’t want future employees injured on the job because of it, or even late to work.

This is common sense. Legalizing current illegal drugs will not make those effects go away.

Peace,
Ed

Ed, can I ask you some questions?

How is it that alcohol is illegal in a number of Muslim nations but the U.S. still has such a productive workforce relative to those nations? I mean… one of my grandfathers retired from Pabst Brewery in Milwaukee and use to work and operate a forklift while drinking on the job.

Speaking for Milwaukee I will say the vast amount of robberies and murders are committed by non-cocaine and “drug users” (marijuana excepted - because most people in Hip Hop culture or into the “gangsta rap” thing smoke weed) - and are committed by people that consume alcohol.

Why not make alcohol illegal except for religious purposes? The United States already does that with marijuana. I know it’s either Ethiopian Orthodox priests or Coptic Christian priests that are allowed to keep a certain amount of marijuana.

Outlaw alcohol for the typical American and MADD will be glad and all the pathologies related to alcohol will decline right?

Or maybe a sensible reason to legalize drugs like cocaine is simply that a cocaine user need not be arrested and incarcerated for using cocaine. No more than my grandfather that was an alcoholic, made a middle-class wage in the breweries, but let his family go hungry and impoverished because he drank up and gambled his paychecks.

And people in the suburbs have this idea drug addicts are running around crazed in the cities committing robberies and murders while thugs and gang members just deal drugs. For the most part this is nonsense though. Your typical crack addict for example, is to paranoid to be walking around the streets for long let alone robbing people. Are there some that do? Sure. But they are a very small minority. Your typical gang member is involved in whatever crime he or she thinks can earn quick money. Like home invasion maybe. For sure armed robberies. Robbing banks and stores or pedestrians or drivers is one of their popular “come ups.” So is dealing drugs.

 

[edwest2]

To my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

Do not believe the lie that adding poisonous, illegal drugs to your body is giving you any sort of freedom. Do not believe the lies about alcohol as well.

Our bodies are Temples of the Holy Spirit. If we seek to harm our bodies by our choice, is that a good? No, it is not. Medicines, although they may produce similar effects, are meant to cure or treat, not harm.

Do not believe those whose only goal is to convince you to satisfy your flesh. To make that your primary goal under the false “freedom” that they claim you will gain.

Does any parent want to see his child harm himself? Does God want us to harm ourselves? Say no to these people.

God bless,
Ed

 

[CopticChristian]

To my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

Do not believe the lie that adding poisonous, illegal drugs to your body is giving you any sort of freedom. Do not believe the lies about alcohol as well.

Our bodies are Temples of the Holy Spirit. If we seek to harm our bodies by our choice, is that a good? No, it is not. Medicines, although they may produce similar effects, are meant to cure or treat, not harm.

Do not believe those whose only goal is to convince you to satisfy your flesh. To make that your primary goal under the false “freedom” that they claim you will gain.

Does any parent want to see his child harm himself? Does God want us to harm ourselves? Say no to these people.

God bless,
Ed

Ed,

I second that. Call for the question…all those in favor say Aye…

 

[Bill_7154]

To my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

Do not believe the lie that adding poisonous, illegal drugs to your body is giving you any sort of freedom. Do not believe the lies about alcohol as well.

Our bodies are Temples of the Holy Spirit. If we seek to harm our bodies by our choice, is that a good? No, it is not. Medicines, although they may produce similar effects, are meant to cure or treat, not harm.

Do not believe those whose only goal is to convince you to satisfy your flesh. To make that your primary goal under the false “freedom” that they claim you will gain.

Does any parent want to see his child harm himself? Does God want us to harm ourselves? Say no to these people.

God bless,
Ed

Ed,

Lets be CLEAR. The topic of this thread, the intentions of this thread have absoultely NOTHING to do with ANYTHING you have said above.

It is about ending a failed war that has cost thousands and thousands of lives through murder and cost 2 trillion dollars and has not had an impact on reducing drug use at all.

And if you, or anyone else has gone to www.leap.cc and actually watched their video’s it would be CRYSTAL CLEAR that the intentions of this thread have ABSOULTLY NOTING to do with ANYTHING YOU STATE ABOVE.

Are you clear on this Ed? You avoided my last question when I asked you what you saw as thr primary difference in the business model of the mob compared to other businesses.

Are you going to duck responding to this post of mine as well?

I feel as though you doing these things, while engaging in debate with the other Bill is disingenuous.

God Bless,
Bill

 

[Bill_7154]

Ed,

I second that. Call for the question…all those in favor say Aye…

As the person who started this thread. I am in agreement with everything that Ed said.

However I find it curious, no I find it outright disingenuous that posters have continued to avoid addressing the arguments put forth by www.leap.cc LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBTION, that has NOTHING to do with drug use at all.

It shows where your minds are at, and how they are narrowly focusing on something that has nothing to do with the intention of this thread, nothing to do with the title of this thread.

Since no one has refuted anything that anyone at www.leap.cc has said I will take that to mean that no one CAN refute anything the say, and are therefore consenting that everything they assert is ABSOLUTELY TRUE when it comes to the war on drugs/ drug prohibtion.

God Bless,
Bill

 

[Bill_Martin]

To my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

Do not believe the lie that adding poisonous, illegal drugs to your body is giving you any sort of freedom. Do not believe the lies about alcohol as well.

Our bodies are Temples of the Holy Spirit. If we seek to harm our bodies by our choice, is that a good? No, it is not. Medicines, although they may produce similar effects, are meant to cure or treat, not harm.

Do not believe those whose only goal is to convince you to satisfy your flesh. To make that your primary goal under the false “freedom” that they claim you will gain.

Does any parent want to see his child harm himself? Does God want us to harm ourselves? Say no to these people.

God bless,
Ed

Nobody is saying that using drugs is a good idea. That is not the point of the thread at all.

 

[CopticChristian]

As the person who started this thread. I am in agreement with everything that Ed said.

However I find it curious, no I find it outright disingenuous that posters have continued to avoid addressing the arguments put forth by www.leap.cc LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBTION, that has NOTHING to do with drug use at all.

It shows where your minds are at, and how they are narrowly focusing on something that has nothing to do with the intention of this thread, nothing to do with the title of this thread.

Since no one has refuted anything that anyone at www.leap.cc has said I will take that to mean that no one CAN refute anything the say, and are therefore consenting that everything they assert is ABSOLUTELY TRUE when it comes to the war on drugs/ drug prohibtion.

God Bless,
Bill

Bill,

Here is the “why legalize drugs”…

We believe that drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply. Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

We believe that by eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families. We believe that in a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. And we believe that by placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose deaths.

 

[edwest2]

Bill,

Here is the “why legalize drugs”…

So, what does the average person do? Go to their doctor and ask for a prescription for cocaine or crack or heroin? And who will pay for the treatment of those that become addicted? And how will they work if they get fired for being habitually high on the job? People are going to make money off the sale of these drugs, create harm to the user, and then the same people will own the treatment centers so that the user can what? Stop buying product? But as far as Return On Investment - no worries. There will always be a new batch of brand new users and the cycle will just continue and continue and continue. And the money will keep rolling in on the supply end and the treatment end.

And for those who lose their kids to Child Protective Services because they get high all the time and are charged with child neglect and/or abuse? No problem. The kids will be put in buildings and the same people who make the drugs, and operate the treatment centers, will own those buildings too. And get paid by who?

So, how will the average “legal” drug user spend his day? Get up, go to work, come home, get high from 7 to 8 PM, watch a little TV and go to bed?

Bad enough that in Michigan, there are commercials and billboards that state: “If you drive drunk, you go to jail.” An acquaintance of mine was picked up by the police for driving drunk. He went to jail, paid a fine and had his driver’s license suspended.

michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123–284379–,00.html

Peace,
Ed