Lawyers and soldiers

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how can a catholic in good standing with the church. justify killing people by being in the armed forces, and lawyeers who try to keep killers from justice? it seems to me, it goes against our commandments.
 
There is nothing in Catholic doctrine which would prohibit Catholics from joining the armed forces, or the legal profession, or the National Guard, or the police department.

Why would there be? Is not public defense a common good? Is not justice under the law a common good?

When joining the Army, one does not take an oath to kill. One takes an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States.
 
Note the NT stories of the centurions. They are not told to change their position.
 
Originally Posted by lavazza:

is iraq a just war? vietnam?
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The Iraqi War started as a pre-emptive strike supposedly to prevent Saddam from using or transfering Weapons of Mass Destruction. It gets complicated after that.
 
centurions, where not christians. jesus said to turn your check to your foe. not kill him. pray for him. and what about lawyers who keep crimals free, when breaking the law i.e, rapists. child molestors etc and they are catholic?
 
Originally Posted by JimG:

Ask the Kurds. And ask the Vietnamese boat people. Ask the millions who suffered under Ho Chi Minh and Saddam.
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Were these primary goals of the U.S. campaigns–that is, freeing these people from suffering? I agree that these people suffered, but was a primary reason of the U.S. for giong to war to free these people from suffering?
 
Originally Posted by lavazza:

centurions, where not christians. jesus said to turn your check to your foe. not kill him. pray for him. and what about lawyers who keep crimals free, when breaking the law i.e, rapists. child molestors etc and they are catholic?
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Matthew 8:5 speaks of the [great] Faith of the Centurion.

Cornelius, in Acts 10, is a centurion who is described as “very righteous,” and who is baptized by Peter.
 
i think you are using circular reasoning. where does jesus say to go to war?
 
Jesus never told soldiers to quit the army. And he praised the faith of the centurion.

John the Baptist advised soldiers to not bully anyone, and to be content with their pay. He didn’t say to leave the military.
 
Madaglan said:
Were these primary goals of the U.S. campaigns–that is, freeing these people from suffering? I agree that these people suffered, but was a primary reason of the U.S. for giong to war to free these people from suffering?
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For a more complete discussion of the reasons and methodologies of the Vietnam War, you might want to read this book. Historically, it’s probably too soon for a similar book on Iraq.
 
War with Iraq was quoted by **** Cheney as “An opportunity” on September 11… Also, most Iraqis were sypmathetic with the US after the towers fell, and supported the Bush administration until 2003, when the bombings started and the Iraqi invasion began… I really dislike being American and allowing this to happen… The USA has always been about touting its imperialism, to maintain power… It’s not liberating, it suffocating…
 
Wow, why can’t you guys just answer the guy’s question and debate the war elsewhere?

There are just wars. Killing in a just war is ok.

Re the lawyers, you might consider all defendants have the right to counsel. They have the right to have their side professionally presented in the best possible light. If someone I loved was accused of murder I would want the best lawyer I could find for them. That doesn’t sound sinful to me.
 
so when the lawyer goes to jesus and says i had to defend a child rapist of female rapist of killer, because of his rights, when they are quilty. jesus will say cool. no problem?
 
so we can pick and choose when we want to follow the commandments? thou shall not kill.
 
Laazza, are you insinuation that you know better of the moral circumstances of war and trials better than God?
 
lavazza said:
how can a catholic in good standing with the church. justify killing people by being in the armed forces, and lawyers who try to keep killers from justice? it seems to me, it goes against our commandments.
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What country do you live in? Do you enjoy freedoms there? Who do you think protects those freedoms??? I spent 8 yrs active duty defending America’s freedoms… I really resent people like you not appreciating that if we had no military, you would have no rights. Do you think it is our charm or our pretty faces that keeps people from invading our country? Do you think it is the negotiations of politicians??? I can tell you right now…it is fear that keeps people from invading. Fear that our military would retaliate.

As for lawyers… you are forgetting the premise of innocent until proven guilty… would you want to be accused of a crime if it were guilty until proven innocent???
 
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