Gottle of Geer:
“Bringing down the Church” … bother with. ##
In this case looks are not deceiving.
Whatever is wrong with the Church is always somebody else’s fault. Blame the sheep, blame the Protestants, the press, the abortion industry, the society, Democrats, Republicans, liberals, the actual victims of her brutality, but just don’t blame the Church. After all, she is infallible although her people are admittedly sinners, right?
What this means then, is that the bishops can behave appallingly - and get off scot-free, … irresponsible.
Yes, but you seem to be forgetting that the vast majority of priests have not, in fact molested anyone. Our statistics show that your chances of not being molested are, in fact, compatible with molestation rates in Protestant denominations and better than society at large. :yup:
Those who wish to take down the whole Church because of a few “incidents” don’t realize that the individual person is not nearly as important as the Church as a whole. Really they should recognize this and just eat it. Take one for the team.
If it’s OK for priests to deny burial to those living in sin who are judged not to be contrite, let’s have the same standard applied to the rulers of the Church as well. … Pious words don’t cut it.
Now, now, now. We appointed a commission to look into this situation, and find that the priest did, in fact, follow the rules. Therefore the priest was not at fault for doing anything wrong. He was simply following infallible laws that said in this case the woman was non-repentent and should not have a funeral. :tsktsk:
Failure to repent and to reform makes a hollow mockery of the Church’s teaching on social justice and human rights. Catholics have a right to be molested, a right to Masses invalidated by the use of invalid matter, a right to be lied to - but no right whatever to bring their persecutors to justice.
What? The Church has not changed for nearly 2000 years, when revelation ended with the death of the last apostle. She cannot change just because a few sinful priests abuse their positions of trust and spiritual authority. If you would rather shut down a diocese to line the pockets of a few greedy opportunists, then you are punishing thousands of innocent victims, and what do you have to say about that?
And “persecution” is the word - for what is it but persecution when the scales of justice are weighted against the laity by the law of the Church ? This is nothing less than abominable - and that needs to be said as clearly as it possibly can be. It isn’t the state we should be afraid of, but churchmen who are (in the strictest sense of the word) irresponsible.
The Church must have laws to protect herself. How could she survive 2000 years if she were not prepared to do combat with the state when necessary? The state certainly should be what we are afraid of, as this case in point illustrates the state is no friend of the Church. The Church has been God’s Church for 2000 years and her laws are given by God through the Holy Spirit, the Holy Father, and the teaching magisterium of the Church. Changing Church laws is crazy talk. :whacky: Next you liberals will insist the Church allows married lesbians to become priests. :banghead:
“But Christ did not found a democracy” - neither did he found a totalitarian state or a criminal combine. He seems to have been rather critical of religious hypocrisy, if Matthew 23 is any guide.
Again, you keep insinuating that the Church did something wrong when in fact only her leaders did something wrong. Besides, didn’t Rome apologize to the victims already? Why can’t we get over what is past and lead our Church into the future?
Plus, you bring to light Matthew 23, which doesn’t seem to support your claim. Verse 3 states, “Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.” Clearly Jesus is talking about cafeteria Catholics because cafeteria Catholic do not practice by virtue of the fact that they are not obedient to the Church. Jesus clearly does find it hypocritical that marginal Catholics go around claiming to be Catholic and preaching in the Church’s name, but do not even agree 100% with her teachings.
If this is nauseating to read, it was nauseating to write. The slipperiness of the Church when she has to face those she has harmed, is nauseating. ##
Yes, slippery. That’s about what this topic makes me think of. When cafeteria Catholics and Protestants criticize the infallible teachings of the Holy Catholic Church it is rather disheartening, because who knows who might hear them and believe their lies? It makes me want to puke.
Alan
