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gearhead
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It’s been often pointed out that God has a tendency to only “heal” ailments that either have a chance of false diagnosis or will sometimes get better on their own naturally.
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Reuben_J
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No, that is not my understanding of God’s healing. Healing by God is healing that is caused by and attributed to Him. The ailments include those both that can be healed by any medical process when such choice is preferred or diseases that are beyond treatment by scientific medical management for example terminal cancer case proved by all the necessary labatory /pathological investiagtions.
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gearhead
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If you say so, but cancer sometimes goes into remission for reasons we don’t fully understand. However, amputation never, ever spontaneously undoes itself. Not in humans, anyway. Coincidentally, God never heals a person by restoring an amputated limb.
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Reuben_J
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Hi Bill. Like you I am skeptical about people claiming to heal and I am not Protestant and never has been to any of their healing services.
My point is simply: God heals if we petition him through prayers. The healing more often than not is not physical but other areas of our lives that we may not aware of, like emotional or mental. Of course it up to God to decide how he heals or even not to.
No man heals; it is God who does the healing. The term **lay healer **is misleading as far as I am concerned. But I don’t throw outright the fact that God can choose if He wants to - to heal because of prayers of a believer even if he/she is not a priest or religous.
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Reuben_J
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Thanks. Ultimately, this is a matter of faith. I can understand your position on this if you don’t believe.
BTW, Amputated limb or organ can be restored by a good medical surgeon in certain condition.
I have never heard a limb after amputated grew another one in any case of healing.
I have seen though a young lady who suffered from an uncurable liver disease being healed through prayers. She is still alive now - got married after being healed and had children. She was diagnosed uncurable by the state medical director and pronounced had only two months to live. She was discharged from the hospital and then went to another specialist hospital but the the prognosis was the same. This conclusion came about after a thorough medical biopsy and pathological examination and investigation that included MRI, CT Scan and ultrasound. After she went home she went to a religous retreat (on a wheel chair) where she was prayed over. Something happened and to make a long story short she was healed. When she went back to the specialist hospital for confirmation and second opinion, the doctors there were mystified and said it was a miracle that she could be healed.
It could be a coincidence. The medical and pathology test could be a mistake but to me it was too much a coincidence. Why would it be when I believe that God can heal?
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Harpazo
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Personally, I think the whole notion of “lay healers” is delusion. I am reminded by these words:
Anyone looking for a “lay healer,” just don’t do it.
In Christ,
Andrew
If you look at the real healers, you’ll see that they are extremely humble and are far removed from society. They are also extremely uncommon. They’re not these people who have “healing ministries” and write books and host conferences and the like. They pray and fast and pray some more.
Anyone looking for a “lay healer,” just don’t do it.
In Christ,
Andrew
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Bill_Pick
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I just posted a new thread about so called faith heahing and al most all of them are investigation and all say they are a prophet of God and that is a lot of prophets in the last 500 years
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gearhead
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Indeed. It’s more than enough time to establish one fact with rock-solid certainty: God hates amputees.
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Bill_Pick
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No God does not hates amputees He love all people, and I just happen to be a amptees He toke a legg and left me a live,it was good with me,Iam very very happyIndeed. It’s more than enough time to establish one fact with rock-solid certainty: God hates amputees.
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gearhead
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I’m sorry to hear that. I didn’t intend to make this personal for you.
I do hold to my point, though: God doesn’t heal things unless there’s a chance they’ll be healed non-supernaturally. And he doesn’t raise people from the dead nearly as much as he did before embalming became routine.
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Bill_Pick
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There is one major theme which is predominant amongst Satan’s ministers—MONEY! If ANY minister preaches about money more than any other subject, he’s a false prophet.
If they did what they try to make you think they did …we can close out all hospital
If they did what they try to make you think they did …we can close out all hospital
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Bill_Pick
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No harm all is OK, The priest gave me the aninting of the sick and told my kids it did not look good,the next AM the kids call the hospital because they had not heard from the hospital and was thinking things had been ok so they rush to the hospital and I was tell ing the nurse I was looking for some thing to eat and I have been worhiping God since,it been all most 20 years and I,d had two daughter and a son get married, and No one is going to tell me we do not have a loving God
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Reuben_J
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Mysterious healings occur all the time. It can be due to body reacting naturally or unnaturally and heals the ailment, it can be coincidence or it can be caused by factors that we don’t know. We know how medical science heals when we subjected ourselves to its treatment regime and management but other than that more often than not it is a mystery.Indeed. It’s more than enough time to establish one fact with rock-solid certainty: God hates amputees.
Christian healing does not take the place of hospital. That is why the term **‘lay healer’ **is never in a Catholic book. It is God who heals and therefore is the Healer. When God heals it is for his glory, not the physical healing per se. When Jesus healed the blind man, it was done so that God’s glory can be seen. His glory specifically is that He ‘heals’, not the body because the body is temporal but the soul which is eternal. For what good it does if your body is well but your soul is sick?
Unfortunately many Christians, with good intention focus on physical healing. It is certainly true many prayers for physical healings are not granted simply because what the Christians urgently need is the healing of the souls.
Many years back I was shown a video on one of those Benny Hinn healing sessions. What struck me was not the people that fell helplessly on the floor but the watch that he wore on his hand. And I thought, ‘Gosh, that is one heck of a watch”. And I thought he could not possibility model his healing on Jesus because in all probability Jesus could not afford the watch. That much show what kind of lay healers that had grabbed most of the headlines today. They are simply doctors. Your guess is as good as mine on what kind of doctors they are. And now you don’t have to wonder how they could afford such watch – medical fees are always high.
God’s healing on the other hand focuses on the complete healing of the person so that he is well enough to be able to do what God wants and be well with him in heaven. If physical healing should occur, it so that the person experiences that God actually is present in his life and then for him to ponder on the implication and to take action according.
The young woman I told you who was healed of terminal liver disease caused by chronic Hepatitis B has become a good Christian who now has five children and serve the Lord actively in a personal capacity. If physical healing does not achieve this purpose, then it is granted in vain. And that what happen quite often when Christians come to be healed and not to seek the Healer (God).
More often than not it is the emotional and psychological healing that are often taking place. Some of these even leads to physical healing for it is a fact that when we are incompetently stressed it can leads to physical ailment. Take away the causes; you’d take away the ailments. But what make emotional and psychological sickness (phobia, anger, unforgiveness, rebelliousness, lust, etc) dangerous is that they can leads to sin. So in God love and mercy if a Christian comes to him in faith, he would heal them of the causes first.
So, God does NOT hate amputees. You lost a leg but you can be healthy in both body, mind and spirit and no healing is necessary.
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Reuben_J
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BTW, Roosevelt was a cripple but he was a great President.
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gearhead
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But these “mysterious healings” never include the spontaneous regeneration of lost limbs, do they?
Why does this line of reasoning apply to lost limbs but not to other forms of healing? What’s different about the conditions that God heals and the ones he doesn’t? It seems odd to me to argue that healing some things (e.g. liver disease) might help someone “serve the Lord”, but healing other things (e.g. lost limbs) never does.
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Bill_Pick
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Well that not all of my story A very godd friend was in the room with me at the time the priest come in and was here for the bless and watch the priest and was at the hosp. the next day did I say he was a Baptise
then he is now a Cathloic.
BTW Have you ever seen a blind man/woman healed by a faith healer,Jesus did .( I hope you can read this I have a problem with my hands)
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Bill_Pick
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Tom, Have you ever seen a faith healter heal a blind person or raise a person from the dead. Our Lord did…In my opinion all the so called fairh healder do is ask for money and buy gis house and cars. Morris Cerullo lives in a 12,000 million hose and drives a 50,000 car and its just him and his wife. Hate to talk about Benny Hinn
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Reuben_J
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The reason why I am not convinced by the ‘lay healer’ is because their lives, at least outwardly, simply are at odd with Jesus. I will not go as far as to say that they do it for the money but the overall picture would be consistent with what you say.
BTW, and you said it, healings are to be found in many ways and places in the Catholic Church. If we understand what needs healing correctly, then we see they happen in the Sacraments.
Baptism - we are healed of our sins.
Confession - we are healed everytime we confess our sins because when we receive the forgiveness of God, our sick spirit (due to sins) is being healed.
The Eucharist - our souls are being nourished. It is like a shot of vitamins and minerals to our body that make us healthy and therefore guards us against sicknesses.
I am not sure about your hands brother. I can include that in my prayer for you and may the peace of God be with you. He loves you as a father loves his child and you are God’s child. How wonderful is that. With a Father like that, you are in good hand (pun unintended). Think about Jesus. He died for us, even if you are the only person in this universe his death is for you and he would still die – for you. That is what his love is for you. He did not die in vain and therefore believe - that you are restored, made whole more than you can ever imagine. His peace and therefore his healing are not like what the world can give, it is unique and when you receive it, it is for you to experience. Rejoice, because you are a child of God. Rejoice, because he bless you and want to give you the best - the Holy Spirit, the fountain and source of life. He wants to give you life; life in abundance.
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guanophore
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You are unjustly judging all non-ordained persons involved in healing ministry. Your statements are bigoted.
I have never met a Catholic involved in healing ministry that is like this.
There are also many non-catholics in healing ministry that are not like this.
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Bill_Pick
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Lets talk abut some of the healing minstry, Morris Cerullo, lives in a 12,000 million dollar house with him and his wife and drives a 50,000 car…Benny Hinn drives a 70,000 car,Mike murock lives in a 1.5 million dollar house, its all about the money I was listing to Morris just a few days ago and he talk for 1 hour and he never one time talked about god , it was all about getting 100 people to send a 1,000 dollar to the church,and the next night it was Mike asking 1,000 people to send a 1,000 and he never said any think about God,in my opinion they are crooks and need to be put out of buss, all three are under investigation
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