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As the Leadership Conference of Women Religious prepared to respond to the Vatican’s doctrinal assessment and its calls for the organisation’s reform, opening speakers at the LCWR assembly in St Louis have emphasised the enormity of the task and the need for prayerful reflection, reports the Catholic News Service.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/cathnews/RSS/~4/gHsHY5Ygz20

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The article states, "to ensure LCWR’s fidelity to Catholic teaching in areas that include " but I have not heard in what ways have the nuns not been faithful in ACTION. I’ve heard about speakers that did not have the Catholic teachings in mind but has any nun engaged in distributing contraception, literature, false teachings of the faith?

Talk and thought is cheap but worth is measured by what one has or is doing. What are the nuns doing?
 
JourneyForTruth said:
The article states, "to ensure LCWR’s fidelity to Catholic teaching in areas that include " but I have not heard in what ways have the nuns not been faithful in ACTION. I’ve heard about speakers that did not have the Catholic teachings in mind but has any nun engaged in distributing contraception, literature, false teachings of the faith?

Talk and thought is cheap but worth is measured by what one has or is doing. What are the nuns doing?
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Actually here’s a thread started by CAF News Bot that is probably okay to use. It’s not too hard to find this stuff, actually.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=394227&highlight=abortion+clinic+escort

The CDF is not kidding about this. I believe them.

And actually, I believe this thread is not about our opinions framed as “nuns vs. CDF” so much as it’s about the conference itself and how it might be different than previous LCWR conferences.
 
The irrepressible Father “Z” has some interesting observations on the LCWR conference:

LCWR Assembly Begins. What their keynote speaker brings to the Nuns. VIDEO

LCWR Assembly Update: How did keynote speaker Hubbard do?

The St Louis Review had this to say:

LCWR keynote speaker’s remarks on evolution, cocreation cause concern

Barbara Marx Hubbard told those attending the Leadership Conference of Women Religious Aug. 8 that the meaning of using power for good came to her after reading “The Phenomenon of Man,” a book written by 20th century French philosopher and Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

In that book, she learned how Teilhard discovered God in evolution and the entire evolutionary process as being inspired from within. Over time, Hubbard said, “I found myself shifting from my role as the procreator towards the role of cocreator.”

Humanity is at a critical tipping point, where we face either extinction or evolution, said Hubbard, who spoke to some 900 women religious attending the Aug. 7-11 assembly. At the start of her talk, Hubbard was escorted into the hotel ballroom and led to the stage, surrounded by women religious who swayed as they held brightly colored scarves and sounded a set of chimes.

Women religious, Hubbard told the group, are the “best seedbed for evolving the world and the Church for the 21st century.”

However, much of what Hubbard — a believer in the new age movement of conscious evolution — spoke about raised concerns for a priest who is an expert on the new age movement.

Father Mitch Pacwa, SJ, author of “Catholics and the New Age” and contributor to a Vatican document on the new age movement, said there is a flaw in thinking that we as humans become cocreators within the
universe.

He said: “The word ‘create’ means to make something out of nothing. This is a power that belongs to God alone. And we cannot evolve into having the divine power to make something out of nothing. What we creatures do is reshape the material that God has created.”

It’s this kind of problematic philosophy that has led the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to announce a major reform of the LCWR. The announcement was made at the end of a four-year doctrinal assessment and included an eight-page report, detailing the need to remedy significant doctrinal problems associated with the group’s activities and programs.

(read the rest at the link above)

I think these sisters are in desperate need of serious intercessory prayer.
 
markomalley said:
The irrepressible Father “Z” has some interesting observations on the LCWR conference:

LCWR Assembly Begins. What their keynote speaker brings to the Nuns. VIDEO

LCWR Assembly Update: How did keynote speaker Hubbard do?

The St Louis Review had this to say:

LCWR keynote speaker’s remarks on evolution, cocreation cause concern

Barbara Marx Hubbard told those attending the Leadership Conference of Women Religious Aug. 8 that the meaning of using power for good came to her after reading “The Phenomenon of Man,” a book written by 20th century French philosopher and Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

In that book, she learned how Teilhard discovered God in evolution and the entire evolutionary process as being inspired from within. Over time, Hubbard said, “I found myself shifting from my role as the procreator towards the role of cocreator.”

Humanity is at a critical tipping point, where we face either extinction or evolution, said Hubbard, who spoke to some 900 women religious attending the Aug. 7-11 assembly. At the start of her talk, Hubbard was escorted into the hotel ballroom and led to the stage, surrounded by women religious who swayed as they held brightly colored scarves and sounded a set of chimes.

Women religious, Hubbard told the group, are the “best seedbed for evolving the world and the Church for the 21st century.”

However, much of what Hubbard — a believer in the new age movement of conscious evolution — spoke about raised concerns for a priest who is an expert on the new age movement.

Father Mitch Pacwa, SJ, author of “Catholics and the New Age” and contributor to a Vatican document on the new age movement, said there is a flaw in thinking that we as humans become cocreators within the
universe.

He said: “The word ‘create’ means to make something out of nothing. This is a power that belongs to God alone. And we cannot evolve into having the divine power to make something out of nothing. What we creatures do is reshape the material that God has created.”

It’s this kind of problematic philosophy that has led the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to announce a major reform of the LCWR. The announcement was made at the end of a four-year doctrinal assessment and included an eight-page report, detailing the need to remedy significant doctrinal problems associated with the group’s activities and programs.

(read the rest at the link above)

I think these sisters are in desperate need of serious intercessory prayer.
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If you adopt Fr. Pacwa’s ridiculously narrow definition of “create” then you will obviously reach the conclusion that the term “co-create” is mistaken, or worse, heterodox.

Here is how Hubbard described what she meant by “co-create”:

From: som.org/3library/interviews/hubbard.htm

Thresholds: Would you describe what you mean by co-creation?

Hubbard: I mean there is a major shift in the relationship between humans and God, from the passive creature child to the active participant in the process of creation. We are the “co” and the Creator is the “creator.” We are the first generation to be conscious of evolution, and responsible for guiding our evolution on a planetary scale. Conscious evolution occurs on three levels. The first level is a deeper intuitive knowing of the pattern – attunement, guidance to the process of creation, both personally and for our species. The second way is through science and technology. We’re learning how nature works. We can build new life forms. We can clone embryos. We can build new worlds in space. We can change bodies. We can create new organisms. This is literally physical co-creation. It has now happened. The third way is socially. We must become co-creators because we’re affecting our social environment by everything we do – how many babies we have, what kind of cars we drive, how we handle our waste. We have become co-creators with nature and nature’s God in handling our social as well as our physical environment.
Co-creation occurs because we are created in the image of God and now is the time when the Godlike powers are being given to the human race. If we misuse those powers we will go through an Armageddon-type scenario because self-centered humanity cannot inherit these full powers of creation. They are too destructive. All throughout history there have been individuals who have shifted from the separated self to the unified self, but now, because of the power, there has to be a much larger number of people making that shift rapidly. And that’s why I call it the Age of Co-creation.

Mind you, I do not like the New Age mumbo-jumbo BS that Hubbard espouses. However, if we’re going to criticize the LCWR for inviting her to speak at their conference, we should at least be aware of the facts. I don’t see anything in her words that approaches the heterodoxy that Pacwa derived from her use of the term “co-create”: in other words, Pacwa condemned her without doing his homework. That’s just lazy.
 
If the Vatican can yank “Coredemptrix” from adoption as part of the “Final Dogma” [stemming from phony Dutch seer Ida Peerdeman condemned since Pius XII] as confusing, Jesuit Fr. Mitch Pacwa can unleash on the use of the confusing “co-Creator” from the notorious New Ager who says she is not a New Ager, the co-Creator who says she is only “co-” and not Creator, Barbara Marx Hubbard.

Check out a fellow Hebrew’s slotting of Hubbard as a New Ager here at Israeli researcher Hannah Newman’s comprehensive study, “The Rainbow Swastika.” Just because Hubbard walked a semantic tightrope doesn’t sanitize her life work and revolting intent. Her inspiring mentor, Fr. de Chardin, danced the same dance. Lambasted as a bad poet, Teilhard de Chardin hid behind the theologian label. His theology being suspect, and receiving much Vatican scrutiny, he danced over to the poet identity. Neither hot nor cold…
philologos.org/__eb-trs/naD.htm

May the Blessed Virgin Mary, pierced with a sword of sorrow that the thoughts of all may be revealed, expose all thoughts; cleansing them in the fire of love which is her Son, Jesus Christ’s divine Sacred Heart. May the Most High God enlighten the eyes of our hearts and deliver us from the Evil One and preserve us in Christ’s peace and abundant life. AMEN

Get the pink-orange scarf message? The sisters nailed the color. It’s the Ascended Masters system, which includes the “Cosmic Christ.” The pink-orange color heralds the “new age” per this site. Check out all the phony Judeo-Christian-y stuff like “St. Michael” entangled with Djwal Khul, Russian Theosophist Madame Blavatsky’s channeled demon, another error of Russian origin. One may note that the Theosophist NGO at the U.N., Lucis Trust, formerly “Lucifer Publishing,” suggested disarmament for peace; and suggested use of weapons only on meddlesome entities, with the example they gave as the Vatican. C’mon. Wake up.

iammaster144.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-planetary-rays-and-the-ascended-masters/
 
(Not my headline :))

seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2018893884.html

{Condensed, but this is the heart of it. Not sure what she means by “equal.” That could mean a lot of different things.)

American nuns described as dissenters in a Vatican report that ordered an overhaul of their group said Friday they will talk with church leaders about potential changes but will not compromise on the sisters’ mission.

Sister Pat Farrell, president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, called the Vatican assessment of the organization a “misrepresentation.” But she said the more than 900 women who attended the group’s national assembly this week decided they would for now stay open to discussion with three bishops the Vatican appointed to oversee them.

“The officers will proceed with these discussions as long as possible but will reconsider if LCWR is forced to compromise the integrity of its mission,” Farrell said at a news conference, where she declined to discuss specifics.

Farrell acknowledged the nuns’ plan going forward was vague, but noted the process would stretch over five years and had only just started. The board is expected to meet this weekend with Seattle Archbishop Peter Sartain, who will be in charge of the overhaul.

“Dialogue on doctrine is not going to be our starting point,” Farrell said. “Our starting point will be about our own life and about our understanding of religious life, and the (Vatican) document’s, in our view, misrepresentation of that, and we’ll see how it unfolds from there.”

The Vatican orthodoxy watchdog, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, undertook the assessment in 2008, following years of complaints from theological conservatives that the American nuns’ group had become secular and political while abandoning traditional faith.

“I think what we want is to finally, at some end stage of the process, to be recognized and understood as equal in the church, that our form of religious life can be respected and affirmed,” Farrell said Friday.

In a speech Friday morning, she said the sisters have been asking themselves whether the Vatican assessment was an “expression of concern or an attempt to control?”
 
They’ll continue the talks. The LCWR is acting as if it’s a separate church in ecumenical dialogue with the Catholic Church.

But, it’s not. It’s a group of religious sisters and nuns who have taken VOWS, one of those being OBEDIENCE. We must pray for them, and remember that many congregations are being misrepresented by the LCWR!

Some communities are NOT going along with the actions of the LCWR, one of those being the Daughters of Mary Mother of Healing Love, who agree with the investigation and support the findings, and are being completely misrepresented by the LCWR.
 
Can someone explain to me why they are having talks with them. To me, Rome has spoken…the end.
 
the nuns of Pelosi. They are old and disgruntled and have NOT spoken out enough about abortion and contraception. The chuch has went through much worse and these liberal nun groups are dying. Literally. In 10 years, we’ll look back and laugh.
 
Just asking, did they take vows of obedience to God or to the Catholic Church.
 
How does one know just exactly which orders belong to the LCWR ? Is there an actual list you can refer to that shows who their members are ? :confused:
 
The LCWR forgot who formed them: The Vatican.

They are disobedient nuns. They need to either reform themselves to authentic teachings or get booted out of the Church. These are the only two options.:cool:
 
“Roma locuta est. Causa finita est” - Rome has spoken. Case closed.
 
This reminds me of “and by their fruits you shall know them” and man are these nuns showing their true nature. In my opinion I think they are doing this out of desperation, they know the curtain is closing and they have realized that no one remains young forever. The 60s are over and the Spirit of God are with those who have remained obedient the one true faith. Vatican II called for orders to return to the way their founders had envisioned their order, I highly doubt that disobedience and “dialogue” on doctrinal matters was one of them.
 
Alan55 said:
if we’re going to criticize the LCWR for inviting her to speak at their conference, we should at least be aware of the facts. I don’t see anything in her words that approaches the heterodoxy that Pacwa derived from her use of the term “co-create”: in other words, Pacwa condemned her without doing his homework. That’s just lazy.
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Oh really? He didn’t do his homework? How about this homework:

Hubbard: I mean there is a major shift in the relationship between humans and God, from the passive creature child to the active participant in the process of creation. We are the “co” and the Creator is the “creator.” We are the first generation to be conscious of evolution, and responsible for guiding our evolution on a planetary scale. Conscious evolution occurs on three levels. The first level is a deeper intuitive knowing of the pattern – attunement, guidance to the process of creation, both personally and for our species. The second way is through science and technology. We’re learning how nature works. We can build new life forms. We can clone embryos. We can build new worlds in space. We can change bodies. We can create new organisms. This is literally physical co-creation. It has now happened. The third way is socially. We must become co-creators because we’re affecting our social environment by everything we do – how many babies we have, what kind of cars we drive, how we handle our waste. We have become co-creators with nature and nature’s God in handling our social as well as our physical environment.
Co-creation occurs because we are created in the image of God and now is the time when the Godlike powers are being given to the human race.
Yes, she is not Catholic, but Fr. Mitch Pacwa is. In Catholic thought, human cloning is a grave violation of God’s unique power to create. And we are never to appropriate to ourselves “Godlike powers.”

She mentions misuing these “powers” as a hypothetical, but they are already being misused. She’s not too current.
 
I have read the full press release from the LCWR regarding their response to the CDF.

My general response is to shake my head, grab them by the figurative shoulders and scream “You just don’t get it, do you?”

However, two paragraphs made me sit up and take notice that perhaps the LCWR is working for some good things in this world.
The members passed a resolution calling on Congress to pass the Dream Act and
comprehensive immigration reform that includes the reunification of families and a path to
citizenship for undocumented immigrants living in the United States. In addition, the
resolution opposes the passage and call for the repeal of restrictive state laws that create a climate of fear in immigrant communities. They passed a second resolution that committed them to work for the abolition of human trafficking, calling it a form of modern day slavery.
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The assembly once again provided participants an opportunity to reflect on injustice and to
effect change. “Human Trafficking: Stolen People, Stolen Hope,” a panel presentation
developed by LCWR members from Region 10, offered participants an opportunity to learn
more about human trafficking and those working to abolish the scourge and heal the
wounds. Panelists Kimberly Ritter of Nix Conference and Meeting Management, Katie
Rhoads, MSW of Healing Action Network and Sister Kathleen Coll, SSJ convener of the
Human Trafficking Group of the Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility (ICCR)
shared the stories of their work and called the assembly to action.
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👍

I commend the work that they do and any change they can effect in this country in the two areas of immigration reform and human trafficking.

I predict that there may be a good helping of “throwing out the baby with the bathwater” in the near future, because it is abundantly clear that doctrinally, the Magisterium of Nuns needs to be brought to heel and either obey the Church or get out.
 
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