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adamhovey1988
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According to Joseph Smith there is a “plurality of gods” (see King Follett discourse). Now, if you revere him as a prophet, should you not trust what he says as being of God?
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lax16
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LDS teach that the Celestial Kingdom is only available to married/sealed Mormons, right?Not that I’m aware of. It’s a fundamental LDS tennet that there is much of God’s magnificence yet to be revealed
(And there also nice men who have not married in this life too)
So, single women cannot reach the Celestial Kingdom according to Mormon belief.
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jane_doe
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How is this revelant to the current discussion? I’d like to keep things focused on the OP.According to Joseph Smith there is a “plurality of gods” (see King Follett discourse). Now, if you revere him as a prophet, should you not trust what he says as being of God?
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jane_doe
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Why are you so focused on single women, when there are single men and women?LDS teach that the Celestial Kingdom is only available to married/sealed Mormons, right?
So, single women cannot reach the Celestial Kingdom according to Mormon belief.
I addressed rest of you question several times already this thread.
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lax16
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You said:Why are you so focused on single women, when there are single men and women?
I addressed rest of you question several times already this thread.
Everyone one whom is worthy will have the opportunity to have a spouse. By “worthy” I’m referring to those whom can honor such a divine commitment, because obviously some people can’t and would rather love sin (such as a wife beater).
- women cannot be wife beaters, therefore I am focusing on them since you mentioned that some men are not worthy because they love sin
- I know several “worthy” LDS women who are single. They don’t love sin. I don’t know any single, Mormon men so that’s also why I am asking.
- no, you said there is no LDS teaching regarding single women. The celestial kingdom is for marrieds only. That’s an official teaching. Even though you are avoiding saying it for some reason.
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zaffiroborant
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Father Damien being sealed to a wife he never met let alone married (and may not have even existed) shows how off the mark the whole LDS sealing thing is.This is where the mormons do the posthumous “sealings” of people to spouses, like St. Fr. Damien of Florida, St. Pope JPII, etc.
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zaffiroborant
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I want the LDS church to follow it’s own rules and discipline members who do not follow the rules. You have a member number, it is what your bishop uses to tell the church at large whether or not you are worthy to enter the temple. The same number can be used (through very little programing) to deny you entrance to the temple if you fail to follow the rules. But instead of disciplining members for not following the “publicly declared rules” they remove access so no one knows when a member submits FALSE information.If people are being stupid and doing dealings they aren’t supposed to… what do you want me to say? Yes, people can be royally stupid sometimes.
The LDS church would have absolutely no problem with holocaust victim’s families if they tracked the member number of people submitting names. Then when a members was found to be in violation of church policy their temple recommend was pulled and they were referred for “local” discipline. That the church never ever disciplined a single member in spite of their extensive records on individual members shows they had no intention of making even a minimal effort of enforcement. The LDS church is all words and absolutely NO action in this matter.
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Horton
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I don’t believe I quoted your question but if I did, I’m sorry. I’m Catholic and a convert but not from the LDS Church. As I said my understanding is regarding single women, not sure about the rest.Is this the answer to my questions?
What about Mormon women that are not married but are very nice people? What happens to them?
What about the Mormon couples I know that the husband was abusive after a temple marriage? What happens to the women in those situations?
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RebeccaJ
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The Mormon church teaches about a Heavenly Mother who is the goddess-wife of their Heavenly Father. They teach that the purpose of this life is a test, to sift out those who will become gods/goddesses and those who won’t.Is this something that can happen to all faithful MOrmons, or only men?
That being said, Mormonism is a patriarchal society and women are subordinate to men. The next life, the goddesses will be subordinate to their god-husbands. This was once taught much more explicitly, including in their temple ceremonies, but has been toned down in the last 25 years or so.
Individual Mormons are all over the map in regards to what each professes to believe on this subject. From accepting what Brigham Young taught, that exalted god-men will have multiple goddess-wives, to the Mormon revised teaching of recent years where the belief follows Gordon B. Hinkley who taught it is not known what exaltation will entail.
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RebeccaJ
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There will be divorce and marriage during a period of time Mormons call the millennium. Brigham Young taught that unrighteous men would lose their wives and children to other men. (The FLDS practice this principle in this life.) Young taught single women would be assigned a marriage in the next life. Men and women who reject marriage become servants of those who are exalted, ths involves the Mormon teaching on angels.Is this the answer to my questions?
What about Mormon women that are not married but are very nice people? What happens to them?
What about the Mormon couples I know that the husband was abusive after a temple marriage? What happens to the women in those situations?
More modern teachings are toned down. Now, it is taught that single men and women will have the opportunity to date and select a spouse during the millennium. The teaching remains regarding singles who reject marriage and are in the celestial kingdom…they will be servants to the gods.
But, I think the Mormon sealing is very messy. Children who don’t want to be sealed to parents and spouses who don’t want o be sealed to each other. Step parents. Step children. Unmarried, or married many times, with children from many different spouses or lovers. Children raised by non-biological parents. Now we have gay couples adopting children, which the Mormon church rejects in this life.
I think the easiest answer is “I don’t know”, otherwise, all this real life relationship stuff gets in the way of the Mormon idealized “families are forever” slogan.
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Marie5890
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Very well articulated, including the historical teachings.There will be divorce and marriage during a period of time Mormons call the millennium. Brigham Young taught that unrighteous men would lose their wives and children to other men. (The FLDS practice this principle in this life.) Young taught single women would be assigned a marriage in the next life. Men and women who reject marriage become servants of those who are exalted, ths involves the Mormon teaching on angels.
More modern teachings are toned down. Now, it is taught that single men and women will have the opportunity to date and select a spouse during the millennium. The teaching remains regarding singles who reject marriage and are in the celestial kingdom…they will be servants to the gods.
But, I think the Mormon sealing is very messy. Children who don’t want to be sealed to parents and spouses who don’t want o be sealed to each other. Step parents. Step children. Unmarried, or married many times, with children from many different spouses or lovers. Children raised by non-biological parents. Now we have gay couples adopting children, which the Mormon church rejects in this life.
I think the easiest answer is “I don’t know”, otherwise, all this real life relationship stuff gets in the way of the Mormon idealized “families are forever” slogan.
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jane_doe
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Again, I already addressed this: see #18.You said:
Everyone one whom is worthy will have the opportunity to have a spouse. By “worthy” I’m referring to those whom can honor such a divine commitment, because obviously some people can’t and would rather love sin (such as a wife beater).
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3) no, you said there is no LDS teaching regarding single women. The celestial kingdom is for marrieds only. That’s an official teaching. Even though you are avoiding saying it for some reason.
Well, as a person who knows husband beaters as well as wife beaters, and good single men as well as good single women, I prefer to take the gender-neutral approach here.
- women cannot be wife beaters, therefore I am focusing on them since you mentioned that some men are not worthy because they love sin
- I know several “worthy” LDS women who are single. They don’t love sin. I don’t know any single, Mormon men so that’s also why I am asking.
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lax16
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You can take the gender-neutral approach. Just answer “what happens to single LDS” after they die?Again, I already addressed this: see #18.
Well, as a person who knows husband beaters as well as wife beaters, and good single men as well as good single women, I prefer to take the gender-neutral approach here.
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jane_doe
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Again, see #18. I’m getting really tired of repeating myself.You can take the gender-neutral approach. Just answer “what happens to single LDS” after they die?
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RebeccaJ
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Seems you value patience extended to yourself but not extending the same to others?Again, see #18. I’m getting really tired of repeating myself.
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jane_doe
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If there is something about post #18 Lax does not understand/wants clarification, he can ask about it (sorry I got your gender wrong Lax). Follow up questions are fine.Seems you value patience extended to yourself but not extending the same to others?
But to repeatedly ignore the posted answer and not ask follow up questions, it’s about the 4th time around that I start to get annoyed.
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RebeccaJ
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No one is forcing you to participate.If there is something about post #18 Lax does not understand/wants clarification, he can ask about it (sorry I got your gender wrong Lax). Follow up questions are fine.
But to repeatedly ignore the posted answer and not ask follow up questions, it’s about the 4th time around that I start to get annoyed.
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Horton
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It seems there is some contradictory information on this.Answering this from the LDS perspective –
For starters, it is important to stess that no one “becomes” God, as in no one replaces God. God will always be our God. Rather, we have the potential to become like God, in the way that every child has the potential to become like thier parent. Here’s a really good site on the matter lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng
Now, who is this advailable to? Every individual whom accepts God’s True Gospel, male or female, whether that acceptance comes in this life or the next. It is not a male-only thing, in fact no male alone can recieve exhalation, neither can a woman alone recieve exhalation. Why? Because the man is not without the woman, nor the woman without the man (1 Corinthians 11:11). Exhalation is for married couple (whether that marriage comes in this life or the next).
utlm.org/onlineresources/mormonshopetobecomegods.htm
Several of the paragraphs state explicitly that men “become” gods, not just god-like.
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IgnatianPhilo
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If non Mormons could become gods what would be the point of becoming Mormon?
I think in Mormonism those of us who are “good” but not Mormon are allowed to serve faithful Mormons for eternity in the next life. Looking forward to that.
I think in Mormonism those of us who are “good” but not Mormon are allowed to serve faithful Mormons for eternity in the next life. Looking forward to that.
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Marie5890
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(Jane, a sincere question here, that you may or may not know the answer to. For those who are excommunicated from the LDS church or resign their membership. If they die w/o ever having been re-baptized, is a proxy baptism done for them? Thanks)
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