LDS and becoming gods

[lax16]

Again, see #18. I’m getting really tired of repeating myself.

*God is infinitely fair and just: everyone will have the opportunity to have a spouse. Those whom do not properly honor God and/or thier spouse will loose thier marriage. The particulars of how new spouses are found (for the never married or the to-be-remarried) is not revealed to us at this time. I personally don’t go into “100% speculation territory” on a public forum.
*

You are saying that it has not been revealed. That is your answer to what happens to never married Mormons when they die?

 

[jane_doe]

(Jane, a sincere question here, that you may or may not know the answer to. For those who are excommunicated from the LDS church or resign their membership. If they die w/o ever having been re-baptized, is a proxy baptism done for them? Thanks)

I’ve never thought about that. I’d imagine that the answer is “no” but don’t know for sure.

 

[jane_doe]

*God is infinitely fair and just: everyone will have the opportunity to have a spouse. Those whom do not properly honor God and/or thier spouse will loose thier marriage. The particulars of how new spouses are found (for the never married or the to-be-remarried) is not revealed to us at this time. I personally don’t go into “100% speculation territory” on a public forum.
*

You are saying that it has not been revealed. That is your answer to what happens to never married Mormons when they die?

No, I’m saying: God is infinitely fair and just: everyone will have the opportunity to have a spouse. The particulars of how new spouses are found is not revealed to us at this time.

 

[lax16]

No, I’m saying: God is infinitely fair and just: everyone will have the opportunity to have a spouse. The particulars of how new spouses are found is not revealed to us at this time.

Non-marrieds may have the opportunity to find a spouse, but will they make it to the celestial kingdom?

 

[lax16]

Is this something that can happen to all faithful MOrmons, or only men?

President Spencer W. Kimball:

“A few years ago a young couple who lived in northern Utah came to Salt Lake City for their marriage. They did not want to bother with a temple marriage, or perhaps they did not feel worthy. At any rate, they had a civil marriage. After the marriage they got into their automobile and drove north to their home for a wedding reception. On their way home they had an accident, and when the wreckage was cleared, there was a dead man and a dead young woman. They had been married only an hour or two. Their marriage was ended. They thought they loved each other. They wanted to live together forever, but they did not live the commandments that would make that possible. So death came in and closed that career. They may have been good young people; I don’t know. But they will be angels in heaven if they are. They will not be gods and goddesses and priests and priestesses because they did not fulfill the commandments and do the things that were required at their hands.

 

[jane_doe]

Non-marrieds may have the opportunity to find a spouse, but will they make it to the celestial kingdom?

Yes. EVERYone will have EVERY opportunity.

 

[lax16]

Yes. EVERYone will have EVERY opportunity.

Well, that is just not so.

Those who have the opportunity to receive the covenant of eternal marriage in a holy temple but choose to be married outside the temple may enter into the celestial kingdom or one of the other kingdoms. But they cannot be exalted and live eternally with their families. They will live as single people and ministering servants to those who chose to follow God’s plan. They will lose great blessings because “they think more of the world and its covenants, than they do of God and his covenants” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954–56], 2:65).

Yikes.
Maybe the never marrieds will fare better than the civilly married?

 

[jane_doe]

Well, that is just not so.

Those who have the opportunity to receive the covenant of eternal marriage in a holy temple but choose to be married outside the temple may enter into the celestial kingdom or one of the other kingdoms. But they cannot be exalted and live eternally with their families. They will live as single people and ministering servants to those who chose to follow God’s plan. They will lose great blessings because “they think more of the world and its covenants, than they do of God and his covenants” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954–56], 2:65).

Yikes.
Maybe the never marrieds will fare better than the civilly married?

Did he couple in the paragraph quoted have the opportunity to get married and sealed? Yes they did, it’s in the first sentence.

Also, this paragraph you’re quoting is not infallible.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

jane_doe, you are patient in responding to all these questions in the lion’s den. Well done.

 

[jane_doe]

jane_doe, you are patient in responding to all these questions in the lion’s den. Well done.

Thank you.

 

[lax16]

Did he couple in the paragraph quoted have the opportunity to get married and sealed? Yes they did, it’s in the first sentence.

So, if someone is a good person, not a wife/husband beater and gets married outside the temple by choice, they are doomed to serve others as a single person for all eternity?

btw - That would be official LDS teaching.

Also, this paragraph you’re quoting is not infallible.

Perhaps you are a convert and are not familiar with what young women and girls are taught?
This is from the LDS manual. Official and infallible, no?

 

[jane_doe]

So, if someone is a good person, not a wife/husband beater and gets married outside the temple by choice, they are doomed to serve others as a single person for all eternity?

Everyone will have the opportunity. If you reject the opportunity, that it your choice and God being infinitely just must accept that. Now, what counts as “rejection” is something God knows, and I’m not going to trying to legalistically define it.

btw - That would be official LDS teaching.

Incorrect.

Perhaps you are a convert and are not familiar with what young women and girls are taught?
This is from the LDS manual. Official and infallible, no?

It is not infallible. If you want to get into a discussion about what LDS consider infallible/official/semi-offical/etc, I recommend a new thread as that is removed from the OP here.

 

[NM505StKate]

I have two podcasts that have helped me learn about the LDS. One is “The Book of Mormon with David Michael” which is a never mo reading the Book of Mormon. The other is Naked Mormonism with Bryce. Both are very good with their history as well as just reading the Book of Mormon. Warning Naked Mormonism has an explicit tag.

 

[jane_doe]

I have two podcasts that have helped me learn about the LDS. One is “The Book of Mormon with David Michael” which is a never mo reading the Book of Mormon. The other is Naked Mormonism with Bryce. Both are very good with their history as well as just reading the Book of Mormon. Warning Naked Mormonism has an explicit tag.

Pardon me, but how do you say that “as well as just reading the Book of Mormon”? The Book of Mormon is not a history book, so that’s not really applicable. As to study of LDS theology, I would point to the primary source (the actual book) as being inherently more accurate than a secondary source. Similarly, I would not tell anyone fresh studying Catholicism to read “Catholicism for Dummies” as being just-as-good as reading the Bible or CCC.

 

[andrewstx]

What happens to those that no fault of there own are unable, or find it impossible to marry in this plane? I am refering to those that belonged to religious communities, as well as people with SSA?

Will they be cast into the "outer darkness

 

[jane_doe]

What happens to those that no fault of there own are unable, or find it impossible to marry in this plane? I am refering to those that belonged to religious communities, as well as people with SSA?

Will they be cast into the "outer darkness

Nope. See post #18

 

[lax16]

Everyone will have the opportunity. If you reject the opportunity, that it your choice and God being infinitely just must accept that. Now, what counts as “rejection” is something God knows, and I’m not going to trying to legalistically define it.

If one rejects being married and sealed in the Mormon temple, they are doomed to an eternity of serving married members. Got it.

Incorrect.

So your official LDS manuals do not teach official church teachings?

It is not infallible. If you want to get into a discussion about what LDS consider infallible/official/semi-offical/etc, I recommend a new thread as that is removed from the OP here.

A new thread is not necessary. Mormons say:

*Infallible means “incapable of erring.”1
While Catholic’s
believe that the Pope is infallible in matters of doctrine, and
while some Protestants believe that the Bible is “infallible,”
Latter-day Saints do not believe that Prophets—neither past
nor present—are infallible. President Charles W. Penrose of
the First Presidency, for example, once wrote: “We do not
believe in the infallibility of man. When God reveals anything
it is truth, and truth is infallible. No President has claimed
infallibility.”2
*

I’m curious. The teachings in your manuals come from what/where/who?
Did God say it? Was it revealed to a person in authority? Is it truth?

 

[lax16]

What happens to those that no fault of there own are unable, or find it impossible to marry in this plane? I am refering to those that belonged to religious communities, as well as people with SSA?

Will they be cast into the "outer darkness

See post #47.

 

[Horton]

What happens to those that no fault of there own are unable, or find it impossible to marry in this plane? I am refering to those that belonged to religious communities, as well as people with SSA?

Will they be cast into the "outer darkness

My understanding of LDS thought & teaching on this. Those who are found unworthy to marry while on earth will be married off in LDS heaven. Those who reject the heavenly marriage will be servants of the worthy. I imagine there will be plenty of “unworthy” women in this role as someone will have to look after all the “spirit babies” father god & mother goddess are so busy making.

As for those who are not married in this life either by choice, religious vocation, or not SSA, I guess it doesn’t matter. In the eyes of the LDS it is a wrong choice to not be married, especially for women as they can not obtain heaven on their own.

What happens when one is in a mixed marriage here on earth? As both spouses need to be LDS to be “sealed” how does this work? As children need to be sealed to a father, what if the father isn’t LDS? Do the children get assigned to a new “father” in heaven? Are they then made to be servants of the worthy? As a previous poster said, this sealing business can get messy.

 

[jane_doe]

If one rejects being married and sealed in the Mormon temple, they are doomed to an eternity of serving married members. Got it.

So your official LDS manuals do not teach official church teachings?

A new thread is not necessary. Mormons say:

*Infallible means “incapable of erring.”1
While Catholic’s
believe that the Pope is infallible in matters of doctrine, and
while some Protestants believe that the Bible is “infallible,”
Latter-day Saints do not believe that Prophets—neither past
nor present—are infallible. President Charles W. Penrose of
the First Presidency, for example, once wrote: “We do not
believe in the infallibility of man. When God reveals anything
it is truth, and truth is infallible. No President has claimed
infallibility.”2
*

I’m curious. The teachings in your manuals come from what/where/who?
Did God say it? Was it revealed to a person in authority? Is it truth?

Re temple marriage: what counts as “rejection” is for God to declare, as He is the Judge. It is not our place to judge.

Re manuals: manuals are written by man and not viewed as infalliabe.