LDS beliefs about Jesus Christ?

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So basically, when a Catholic says - Jesus is the Son of God - it doesn’t make it untrue just because a Catholic said it. We do hold certain Catholic teachings as authoritative - just not all of it.
This is the puzzle then isn’t it…someone claiming to have been a devout Catholic but then saying something like this. A committed Catholic, following the Apostolic Faith, doesn’t wander off into the desert of “just not all of it”.

Certainly, all of us do wander to some extent, but in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, we are Reconciled to God AND to the Church, which is the Body of Christ.

Proclaiming that this wandering has a Catholic foundation, as though it is the cause, is not Catholic, it is something other. The Catholic Church has never taught that wandering from the True Faith of the Apostles is anything but anathema.

But, that is the struggle of the human mind and body, rationalize what is not good in order that it will appear good to our own minds, and acceptable to others. So it is, the Body of Christ is injured, and the need for Reconciliation comes to the surface. It is not our own mind that is the concern, it is the Will of God.

Peace.
 
Yes, the Orthodox and Angelican claim this authority with the Catholic Church as I have said about the Orthodox being in schism does not end your apostal succession they still have valid sacrements and orders. The angelicans can be question on that matter but they still hold to the creeds. Even Arius was a preist of the catholic church so he was christian that started to teach a heresecy. and it is 2000 years of history not 1500. the Anser to your Question of who gets to decide is the Chruch Christ founded on the apostles and that would be the Catholic Church.
and I doubt that the orthodox not the Protestants ( at least those form the reformation) would argue on about the definition of a christian just about how to practice that faith.
1500 is what SteveVH used. I merely re-stated what he said.

Arianism is also founded on the Apostles.

The discussion is really moot. Really.

Because, in the whole scheme of things, it REALLY doesn’t matter if you call somebody Christian or not. It doesn’t change who they are. If you want to set the boundary of Christianity on the Trinity - that’s fine. Westboro Baptist Church falls in that category. So, you’re going to have to add another qualification to the definition of Christianity if you want to exclude them. Unless, of course, you believe WBC is Christian.

So yeah. There is no definitive authority on the definition of the word except for Merriam Webster that has been internationally recognized as having authority to define English words.

And like I said - the discussion serves no purpose except to form segregation like kids fighting over who gets to sit in what table in the school cafeteria.
 
1500 is what SteveVH used. I merely re-stated what he said.

Arianism is also founded on the Apostles.

The discussion is really moot. Really.

Because, in the whole scheme of things, it REALLY doesn’t matter if you call somebody Christian or not. It doesn’t change who they are. If you want to set the boundary of Christianity on the Trinity - that’s fine. Westboro Baptist Church falls in that category. So, you’re going to have to add another qualification to the definition of Christianity if you want to exclude them. Unless, of course, you believe WBC is Christian.

So yeah. There is no definitive authority on the definition of the word except for Merriam Webster that has been internationally recognized as having authority to define English words.

And like I said - the discussion serves no purpose except to form segregation like kids fighting over who gets to sit in what table in the school cafeteria.
:banghead::banghead::banghead: sometime I get the felling that I just do not communicate well. or that instead of bangin my head on the wall I’m talking to it.
 
I am having a hard time understanding the entirety of this post… so I’m going to attempt breaking it down into bite-sized pieces to see if I can process it better.
If Mormons consider themselves Christian, why then, are they not calling themselves Christians?
The name of the church is… The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How does that equate to “they’re not calling themselves Christians”?
Where is the proof that true Christianity as an institution did not come about until 1800 years after the event of Christ? This thinking in itself is reflective of a self- serving, cult of leadership within Mormonism
Nobody, not the LDS Church, or any other church in existence is claiming that Christianity as an institution only came about in the 1800’s.
Pinay, alot of links showing Mormon history of thought, practices, rituals, the experiences of those who grew up in generational Mormon families and the fall out from an ever changing religion…these are being removed from the internet.
Like what? Who is removing them from the Internet? I can assure you, the LDS Church does not control the internet.

Religion is ever changing - from the time of Moses, to the time of Jesus, to the time of the Apostles…and even within the Catholic Church.

LDS is no different. It is the product of an ever living God.

If religion cannot change with new knowledge then we would continue to insist that the sun revolves around the earth.
Because my state has a history of anti-Catholicism, I called the LDS in Salt Lake City, as there were no responses to my emails. They didn’t know anything about this book…When I returned to see the book two weeks later, it was taken out of the store. I read that it was considered a standard in Mormon beliefs. I read Smith’s Doctrines and Covenants…and Orson Pratt edition of the Pearl of Great Price, around 1852. One of them had these expressions of ‘pshaw’…or to the like after stating each conviction of Mormonism vs Christianity. It really spooked me out.

The apostolic Catholic Church has no writings like that…Christ came to die for all men. Christ is the source of our sanctity.
What book?

Would it be something like this book/pamphlet issued by Catholics.com?
 
Actually Mormons do say they are Christian. In fact, its a point they like to make a lot, especially in the face of opposition. An entire, influential book was written in the early 1990s by the BYU professors Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen Ricks, called Offenders for a Word, which is dedicated to showing that Mormons are Christian, and at least as recently as October 2007 and April 2008, Elder Jeffrey Holland, a Mormon Apostle, gave two separate General Conference addresses defending the LDS Church’s claim to the title Christian.

Interestingly, however, they have not always been so. The Mormon insistence on an inclusive definition of “Christian” is a very modern development. The classical Mormon view is that all Christian churches are only so-called; they are neither “Christian” nor even “churches” though they may be called so for convenience’ sake.
Soren… the name of the Church since the 1800’s is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is not a “modern name”.

The issue in the early 1800’s is that in the period of the Great Awakening, there was Catholic versus Christian - because the prevailing culture of that time was Protestants called themselves Christians to separate themselves from Catholics. Therefore, Joseph Smith tried to make the distinction that they are neither Catholic nor Christian in the Protestant usage of the word in the period of the 2nd Great Awakening.
 
Okay, about who gets to decide who is Christian, a Roman Catholic says they have 1500 years worth of history to give them the authority to call any group Christian or not. But then, so do the Orthodox, Anglicans, and yes, even Arians - all of whom have roots imbedded in the rock of Peter. So, who gets to decide then?
This is not a relevant objection, because the claim that Mormons are not Christian does not follow the secular reasoning of finding principles that we can all agree on. It is based on specific theological suppositions taken to be true, simply. And though these suppositions are generally common to the groups you just named, they do not need to be. For us, it only matters that Mormons are non-Christian by the standards set by Catholic Christianity. This means of course we are responsible for showing that Catholicism is true in order to sustain this critique.

For this to not reduce to a muddle, a distinction must be made between a internal and an external critique. To show you what I mean, I will use an example often leveled against Catholicism rather than against Mormonism. Non-Catholics, typically Protestants, often criticize the Catholic Church for worshiping Mary, and Catholics often respond, “No, we don’t worship Mary; you misunderstand us.” I am not fond of responding this way, and I actually have a bit more respect for this charge than a lot of my fellow Catholics do. This is because the person who is making the claim might actually understand Catholic practice, but still believe it to constitute worship. For a Protestant, prayer is an act of worship as such. Since they believe God has revealed prayer to have an intrinsically worshipful character, it does not matter to them whether Catholics deny that they worship Mary. If the dulia/latreia distinction is false, then Catholics worship Mary by praying to her, willy-nilly.

For this reason, the Protestant charge is coherent and respectable, as an external critique, which draws upon principles from outside a Catholic worldview. An internal critique would consist in examining Catholic teaching on prayer and finding a way to reduce Catholic prayer to Mary to an act of worship on its own terms. This is why, rather than assuming a person is ignorant who thinks we worship the saints, I prefer to find out what that person’s understanding of prayer within their own religion is. When it turns out to be something different from the Catholic notion, I give the Protestant credit for making a accusation consistent with his own theology - for there is nothing improper about external critique as such - and then turn the discussion to his denial of the dulia/latreia distinction, on which his criticism rests.

I will happily admit that the denial that Mormons are Christian is an external critique; it does not derive from within Mormon principles, but presupposes a specifically Catholic assumption about the nature of God revealed in his covenant name Yahweh. Thus, by saying Mormons are non-Christian, I immediately take responsibility to uphold the entire Catholic faith upon which I make that assertion.

You may be thinking, “Well then, isn’t this all just circular? You’ve assumed your own position as a basis for arguing against mine? So much for the logical distinctions you’ve been touting in your posts.” I respond that the reason for saying that Mormons are not Christian is not simply to make an argument, but rather to define what the real stakes of the argument are, namely, salvation itself. A person who joins the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is taking an action that separates him from the Catholic Church in a radical way that will come heavily to bear on that person’s salvation and ultimate justification in God’s sight.

The LDS Church has made a great investment in recent years in creating an illusion that the distance between themselves and the mainstream Churches is not so great. this serves to dissolve the relevance of the reasons people have presented for objecting to Mormonism, and which can stand in the way of getting converts and retaining members. They have been successful. And example can be seen in my wife’s experience of leaving Mormonism at age 20, following her discovery that Mormonism teaches a plurality of gods. Something that dawned on her, but not on any of her LDS friends, was the simple observation that to believe something like that and be wrong about it is a very grave matter for one’s soul. It was therefore incumbent on her to give serious thought and consideration to the impact that this teaching had on the realities of Christianity, prior to accepting it. By merely recognizing that something like that was a big deals - that a foundational difference in worldviews separates belief in one god from belief in many - she had thought already far more deeply about the subject than her family, her colleagues and teachers at seminary, and I daresay, many of the BYU professors whose scholarly defenses of Mormonism I have read.

When we say Mormons are non-Christian, we are not trying to conclude the argument by dismissing Mormonism out of hand. We are claiming that salvation is at stake here. As the first-century Christan text the Didache begins, “There are two ways, the way of life and the way of death, and great is the difference between them.” With stakes like that, it is foolish to pretend that the difference between the ways is not there.
 
First of all, let me tell you that I admire your willingness to participate on this forum, especially considering that all these questions and responses are, for the most part, directed at you. 👍

I do not believe that truth is dependant upon what ever we consider to be important. In other words, truth is not relative, but absolute. It is our obligation as God’s creatures to find that truth and accept it even if it goes against what we thought was important. Christ didn’t leave us with the words “Now you have heard me, go do what makes you comfortable”. No, he told us to pick our cross daily and follow him. A cross is not something we would choose on our own. It is painful, but we are asked to do it nevertheless. So what I am saying is that it matters very much what one chooses to believe and what one chooses to reject and it is not up to our personal preferances.

God bless.
This thread is interesting to me. I truly enjoy having to rethink through these things and looking at it from differing perspectives. If I may say so, you are my favorite person on this forum. I love the way you stand your ground without mincing words in a very well-thought-out logical manner. You don’t just throw things out there that are heresay. You actually study it and think about it in an intellectual manner. I relish your discussions with ParkerD and there are a lot of times that you have made me rethink things.

Yes, God’s truth is absolute. But man’s understanding of what that truth is, is not.

Line upon line, precept upon precept. Nobody alive on this planet outside of the Godhead knows the absolute truth. That would be an anti-thesis to Faith. Therefore, one chooses to believe what one receives as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit as truth.

I don’t subscribe to the thinking that - “My Holy Spirit is better than your Holy Spirit”. I simply put my trust in your word that the Holy Spirit that answers your prayers is the same Holy Spirit that answers mine.

Make sense?
 
Soren… the name of the Church since the 1800’s is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is not a “modern name”.
The issue in the early 1800’s is that in the period of the Great Awakening, there was Catholic versus Christian - because the prevailing culture of that time was Protestants called themselves Christians to separate themselves from Catholics. Therefore, Joseph Smith tried to make the distinction that they are neither Catholic nor Christian in the Protestant usage of the word in the period of the 2nd Great Awakening.
I am not sure what argument you think I am making if you respond like this. I am not talking about the Church’s formal name. I am talking about the very modern LDS attitude that “we are Christians too, and other churches should accept it.” That is what is novel and unprecedented in today’s Mormonism. It has arisen within my own lifetime, even in the last 25 or 30 years, and would have sounded utterly foreign to earlier generations. Prior to that, Mormons have traditionally understood why other religions claim they are non-Christian – and returned the compliment. And I’m not just talking about Bruce McConkie, but the entire LDS tradition before him, which he accurately represents, and which began to fall by the wayside only in the 1980s.

As for Protestant distinctions between “Catholic” and “Christian,” I disagree with that judgment, but I do not fault them for drawing that conclusion from their own theological principles. The principles, not the conclusions, are where the errors lies. Happily however, I can talk to Protestants about issues like that, because I do give them credit for their principles, understand where this accusation comes from, and don’t waste my time trying to convince them that the meaning is “Christian” should be attenuated so accommodate me.
 
pinay - you stated: (bold mine)
Anyway… according to Mirriam Webster (who, for a while there, I thought was the un-contested authority of American English words until I started playing words with friends and there are words there you can’t use), a Christian is one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

But there are many teachings of Jesus that Mormons reject. Therefore, by the definition you provided, Mormons are not Christians because they reject many of Christ’s teachings.

For example:
Matthew 22:20 - on there being no marriage in heaven
Matthew 1:20 - on Jesus’ being conceived by the HS vs being the literal son of God
Matthew 16:18 - on Jesus’ Church lasting for all time vs ceasing to exist until JS came to restore it
Matthew 26:28/Mark 14:24/Luke 22:20 - on that Jesus gave us the final covenant vs the BoM as another testatment or covenant

I agree, Christians are those who follow the teachings of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.👍

btw- what teachings of Christ DO Mormons follow?
 
This is not a relevant objection, because the claim that Mormons are not Christian does not follow the secular reasoning of finding principles that we can all agree on. It is based on specific theological suppositions taken to be true, simply. And though these suppositions are generally common to the groups you just named, they do not need to be. For us, it only matters that Mormons are non-Christian by the standards set by Catholic Christianity. This means of course we are responsible for showing that Catholicism is true in order to sustain this critique.

For this to not reduce to a muddle, a distinction must be made between a internal and an external critique. To show you what I mean, I will use an example often leveled against Catholicism rather than against Mormonism. Non-Catholics, typically Protestants, often criticize the Catholic Church for worshiping Mary, and Catholics often respond, “No, we don’t worship Mary; you misunderstand us.” I am not fond of responding this way, and I actually have a bit more respect for this charge than a lot of my fellow Catholics do. This is because the person who is making the claim might actually understand Catholic practice, but still believe it to constitute worship. For a Protestant, prayer is an act of worship as such. Since they believe God has revealed prayer to have an intrinsically worshipful character, it does not matter to them whether Catholics deny that they worship Mary. If the dulia/latreia distinction is false, then Catholics worship Mary by praying to her, willy-nilly.

For this reason, the Protestant charge is coherent and respectable, as an external critique, which draws upon principles from outside a Catholic worldview. An internal critique would consist in examining Catholic teaching on prayer and finding a way to reduce Catholic prayer to Mary to an act of worship on its own terms. This is why, rather than assuming a person is ignorant who thinks we worship the saints, I prefer to find out what that person’s understanding of prayer within their own religion is. When it turns out to be something different from the Catholic notion, I give the Protestant credit for making a accusation consistent with his own theology - for there is nothing improper about external critique as such - and then turn the discussion to his denial of the dulia/latreia distinction, on which his criticism rests.

I will happily admit that the denial that Mormons are Christian is an external critique; it does not derive from within Mormon principles, but presupposes a specifically Catholic assumption about the nature of God revealed in his covenant name Yahweh. Thus, by saying Mormons are non-Christian, I immediately take responsibility to uphold the entire Catholic faith upon which I make that assertion.

You may be thinking, “Well then, isn’t this all just circular? You’ve assumed your own position as a basis for arguing against mine? So much for the logical distinctions you’ve been touting in your posts.” I respond that the reason for saying that Mormons are not Christian is not simply to make an argument, but rather to define what the real stakes of the argument are, namely, salvation itself. A person who joins the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is taking an action that separates him from the Catholic Church in a radical way that will come heavily to bear on that person’s salvation and ultimate justification in God’s sight.

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I’m going to write in capital letters to indicate my complete excitement on this post…

NOW, THIS SOREN… THIS IS A-ONE… NO… HIGHER THAN A-ONE if there’s such a thing!

I agree with the main points in the post except for this one:
“The LDS Church has made a great investment in recent years in creating an illusion that the distance between themselves and the mainstream Churches is not so great.”

It is called Great Apostasy for a great reason…

That has not changed. What the Church is trying to do in recent years is to show the world that LDS people are not… I don’t even know what the term is… that different? As in - we live our lives just like everyone else does, we have problems just like everyone else does… we have hopes, dreams, etc. just like everyone else does. We have surfers, musicians, Harley riders, Senators, Governors, programmers, stay-at-home-mothers, Americans, Filipinos, etc. etc. just like everyone else does.

Hence, the “I’m a Mormon” campaign. It is not there to try to align our doctrines with mainstream Christianity. It is there to promote understanding between peoples. Our doctrine is what it is. It is a restoration. It is supposed to be different.

And just because you made mention of it… let me just put a quote on here that you will find on the first page of the Book of Mormon:
And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Yep. First page… okay 2nd page if you count the Title Page… 🙂
 
This thread is interesting to me. I truly enjoy having to rethink through these things and looking at it from differing perspectives. If I may say so, you are my favorite person on this forum. I love the way you stand your ground without mincing words in a very well-thought-out logical manner. You don’t just throw things out there that are heresay. You actually study it and think about it in an intellectual manner. I relish your discussions with ParkerD and there are a lot of times that you have made me rethink things.

Yes, God’s truth is absolute. But man’s understanding of what that truth is, is not.

Line upon line, precept upon precept. Nobody alive on this planet outside of the Godhead knows the absolute truth. That would be an anti-thesis to Faith. Therefore, one chooses to believe what one receives as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit as truth.

I don’t subscribe to the thinking that - “My Holy Spirit is better than your Holy Spirit”. I simply put my trust in your word that the Holy Spirit that answers your prayers is the same Holy Spirit that answers mine.

Make sense?
Thank you for your kind words, pinay. I hope that you have also read some of my posts that don’t live up to your evaluation (just to keep things in perspective). 🙂

Yes, I agree that no one knows the truth fully. But we can determine, from the words of Christ himself, where that truth lies and that we can be assured that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. As a Catholic, I believe that the Church to which this promise was made was the Catholic Church and therefore all who reject the teachings of this Church are also rejecting truth to one degree or another.

As for the Holy Spirit speaking to both of us, but telling us very different things, I just can’t buy it. The Holy Spirit is Truth itself. Now, you must admit that in most areas of theology and doctrine, the Catholic Church and the LDS Church are 180 degrees opposed.
Why would the Holy Spirit lead you in one direction and me in another, completely opposite direction? This is a contradiction of truth, not a fulfillment of truth. This same principal would apply to all Protestant religions as well. Each of them believes they are being led by the Holy Spirit, yet they each arrive at different beliefs.

Lets take the Eucharist, for example. Either Catholics are outright idolaters or they are not. We worship Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. This means that either we have been deceived or we are right and everyone who rejects the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist has walked away from this truth. We cannot both be right.

So I would say, rather than basing a “witness of the Holy Spirit” on my internal feelings, I must look at history, doctrines, reason, the words and promises of Christ… It is very possible that one may hear his own voice, his own desires, and convince himself that it is the voice of the Holy Spirit, when, in fact, it is not.
 
I am not sure what argument you think I am making if you respond like this. I am not talking about the Church’s formal name. I am talking about the very modern LDS attitude that “we are Christians too, and other churches should accept it.” That is what is novel and unprecedented in today’s Mormonism. It has arisen within my own lifetime, even in the last 25 or 30 years, and would have sounded utterly foreign to earlier generations. Prior to that, Mormons have traditionally understood why other religions claim they are non-Christian – and returned the compliment. And I’m not just talking about Bruce McConkie, but the entire LDS tradition before him, which he accurately represents, and which began to fall by the wayside only in the 1980s.

As for Protestant distinctions between “Catholic” and “Christian,” I disagree with that judgment, but I do not fault them for drawing that conclusion from their own theological principles. The principles, not the conclusions, are where the errors lies. Happily however, I can talk to Protestants about issues like that, because I do give them credit for their principles, understand where this accusation comes from, and don’t waste my time trying to convince them that the meaning is “Christian” should be attenuated so accommodate me.
Soren, I know you are not talking about the formal name - I was just trying to point out that early in the church’s history, Mormons have always had Jesus Christ as the head of the church - even making sure Jesus Christ’s name is on the official name of the Church, hence, claiming to be Christians. It is just a response to your statement that Mormons did not consider themselves Christians in the early days of the Church. I was just trying to put your understanding into some form of context.

Mormons until today understand why they are considered non-Christians - I think somebody (was it Kathleen or Rebecca?) posted Gordon B. Hinckley’s quote on it. Pres. Hinckley is a very recent prophet.

For a while there was media goopla when the Christian Coalition refused to allow the LDS to join them in prayer for the victims of 9/11. These types of rejection is what causes LDS to try to extend their hands out to be counted as Christians. But, outside of these types of conflicts, the LDS Church know who they are and what they stand for regardless of what everybody else think they are or are not. Exactly like what you explained as the difference between external and internal critique. I really love that post!
 
Thank you for your kind words, pinay. I hope that you have also read some of my posts that don’t live up to your evaluation (just to keep things in perspective). 🙂

Yes, I agree that no one knows the truth fully. But we can determine, from the words of Christ himself, where that truth lies and that we can be assured that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth. As a Catholic, I believe that the Church to which this promise was made was the Catholic Church and therefore all who reject the teachings of this Church are also rejecting truth to one degree or another.

As for the Holy Spirit speaking to both of us, but telling us very different things, I just can’t buy it. The Holy Spirit is Truth itself. Now, you must admit that in most areas of theology and doctrine, the Catholic Church and the LDS Church are 180 degrees opposed.
Why would the Holy Spirit lead you in one direction and me in another, completely opposite direction? This is a contradiction of truth, not a fulfillment of truth. This same principal would apply to all Protestant religions as well. Each of them believes they are being led by the Holy Spirit, yet they each arrive at different beliefs.

Lets take the Eucharist, for example. Either Catholics are outright idolaters or they are not. We worship Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. This means that either we have been deceived or we are right and everyone who rejects the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist has walked away from this truth. We cannot both be right.

So I would say, rather than basing a “witness of the Holy Spirit” on my internal feelings, I must look at history, doctrines, reason, the words and promises of Christ… It is very possible that one may hear his own voice, his own desires, and convince himself that it is the voice of the Holy Spirit, when, in fact, it is not.
Yes, yes, yes! I agree with all of this.

Except - in my experience, the Holy Spirit can only testify to you that which you are ready to receive.

To put it into a scenario…

Let’s say an Igorot living in the remote mountains of the Philippines who has never heard of Jesus Christ is still in his religious infancy. A Baptist missionary visits the tribe, teaches him about Jesus Christ. The igorot, opens himself up to the Spirit and asks the Spirit if what the Baptist missionary is telling him is true. Not to say that I’m the expert in Holy Spirit manifestations, but I am more inclined to believe, that the Holy Spirit will manifest to the Igorot the truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ enough for him to ask to be baptized Baptist. I really don’t think the Holy Spirit will tell him - no the Baptist Church is not the true Church, so no, don’t believe anything he says. When the time comes that the Igorot matures in his spirituality, then he may be ready for more learning…

Each person’s journey is different and unique. I don’t question what manifestations the Holy Spirit gives each person - I do not presume to know what the Holy Spirit sees in each and every one of us and what He believes is the best path for us to come closer to God. I only question the sincerity and the honesty that one puts in his prayers to appeal to the Holy Spirit for enlightenment.
 
The indoctrination is set in, it is like a thick fog that doesn’t allow any light.

I suspect pinay is only here to convert other Catholics who might be wavering in their Catholic Faith as she is. People open to the idea that the Holy Spirit leads people out of Catholicism, as though that is some form of “higher calling”.

The spirit of Mormonism is division, it is not one of Salvation.
 
First of all, let me tell you that I admire your willingness to participate on this forum, especially considering that all these questions and responses are, for the most part, directed at you. 👍
Call me jaded, but I think she likes the attention…it gives her a chance to step up to the microphone. Being very careful not to break any rules and get banned.
 
Soren,

Thanks for your clarification,…I am referring to the recent developments to now come with Mormonism coming up to the plate announcing they are the true Christian church…

There is a great lack of understanding of witness, documentation, anthropology, accountability within Mormonism…
 
Pinay,

I went out on this case, and just got home within this hour…have to care for animals and home…

I was worried about may be being too harsh with you…but I am beginning to see a very smart lady…and you are not as vulnerable as I once thought…

No, Mormonism has drawn from Rigdon and ‘The Manuscript’ as its source of thought.

Man made church for the glory of man, and the forthcoming hope for awe by the world for the new Roman Mormon Temple.

When the number of Mormon temples are placed everywhere in the world…their Christ will be made apparent…I don’t think so…alot of the money from ordinary Mormons go to building the temples.
 
Okay, I’ll address this one… fasten your seatbelts… because… I didn’t learn this as an LDS. I learned this as a Catholic.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 460:

No difference.
There is quite a difference, and if you were the well catechized Catholic you claim to be, you would be able to describe those differences.
And yes, I can describe those differences. And it is these differences that made me choose one over the other.
 
The doctrine of men becoming gods is exacty the same in Catholic and LDS.

The nature of God is different between Catholic and LDS. So yes, I do understand the differences.

Is that clearer now?
 
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