LDS: Is this video accurate for your theology?

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St. Irene was a direct disciple of St. Jean. St. Jean was preatty close to Jesus.
None of the mormon doctrine was tought to him by St. Jean. What St.irene said was absolutely in sintony with what Christians believes.
Just a little tip regarding the English language, “Jean” and “Irene” are both feminine names in English. I’m guessing the people you are referring to are the ones we call St. John and St. Irenaeus. St. Irenaeus of Lyons was a disciple of St. Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of St. John the Apostle. Also maybe you are confusing St. Irenaeus of Lyons with St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was indeed a direct disciple of John.

I suppose these early Fathers would be the ones the LDS believe committed the Great Apostasy.
 
Ah; I had no idea that it was derogatory. I’ve heard lots of Catholics self-identify as “Roman” – especially in Spanish. * “Catolico, Apostolico, Romano.”
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Acts says the word “Christian” was first used in Antioch, but isn’t specific about who used it, so you may be right … does your tradition say that this was by the Christians?
Hmmmm…you got me confused? What do you mean…" but isn’t specific about who used it, "???

The Church at Antioch was founded by Peter…“Christian” was used to refer to to the followers of the Way (Acts 9:2). Members of the CC were referred to as Christians…following the usage of the word by the Christians at Antioch.
 
Just a little tip regarding the English language, “Jean” and “Irene” are both feminine names in English. I’m guessing the people you are referring to are the ones we call St. John and St. Irenaeus. St. Irenaeus of Lyons was a disciple of St. Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of St. John the Apostle. Also maybe you are confusing St. Irenaeus of Lyons with St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was indeed a direct disciple of John.

I suppose these early Fathers would be the ones the LDS believe committed the Great Apostasy.
Thank you for your English and historical corrections:thumbsup:
 
I really would like the LDS people feel that when they state something about their doctrine to a Christian that knows christianity , to him is the worse blasphemy ever using the name of Jesus Christ.
For them is not like that, of course, I think they will be shocked realizing it, but they should start to accept it.
People on their organization perfectly know it, that the message can be either laghed at, or beeing perceived as deeply insulting, so they carefully took in or out the message certain things to be political acceptable. But even like that the message of a Lord that was a man, that was a good thing for the man to wanting to become like God (that is the base of all Christians sins) helped by the devil in doing this, is sufficient for being insulted.
If they had spread the speech of few of their prophets officially…
And saying the Father of Christianity commited the Great Apostasy… how can people hearing it don’t react? It is much worse saying The Fathers of the Church commited the great apostasy then for me faulse incriminating a LDS for murder. It is not true, but for the advantage of my own way of being and perceiving things I say that is true? And bringing my testimony of this murder and basing it on just because I know that it is true, because I have something inside, burning or that make me feel good and in peace? We are talking about a theme that can led to soul murder that is for eternity and so for such thing is much more important that phisical murder, for the believer of course.

And commiting such insult with no base at all and saying that this no base of facts is their faith so if somebody don’t respect their insults is for us being unrespectful of their faith and beliefs.

The reason why many of the dialogues with mormons end up strongly is for this reason. They just don’t realize what they are saying against Christianity. And then, after all of this we have to silently accept for respect of them, that they declare themselves to be Christians because they know Jesus is the Saviour.

Satan knows this too but knowing this doesn’t make him a Christian.
 
truth save,

If you feel inclined to write about beliefs of Latter-day Saints, please be aware that you either have been told incorrect things about those beliefs by others such as your wife, or you have not understood them, so it would seem well to find out what it is you are writing about, correctly, before writing about it incorrectly. There are many ways you can do that, but it would need to be by finding reliable sources.

Be aware also that the Book of Mormon forewarns of those in our day who, having been members and left and become antagonistic, would broadcast their incorrect depictions of beliefs to deceive others. It seems not to be a very self-honest thing to do, but it was foreseen in the Book of Mormon and we are seeing it happen as this thread beginning shows.
 
truth save,

If you feel inclined to write about beliefs of Latter-day Saints, please be aware that you either have been told incorrect things about those beliefs by others such as your wife, or you have not understood them, so it would seem well to find out what it is you are writing about, correctly, before writing about it incorrectly. There are many ways you can do that, but it would need to be by finding reliable sources.

Be aware also that the Book of Mormon forewarns of those in our day who, having been members and left and become antagonistic, would broadcast their incorrect depictions of beliefs to deceive others. It seems not to be a very self-honest thing to do, but it was foreseen in the Book of Mormon and we are seeing it happen as this thread beginning shows.
**PLEASE TELL ME AND US THE INCORRECT THINGS I STATED.
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These are the point I deeply feel insulted as a Christian:

1- Apostasy of the early Fathers (faulse or true)?

2- The Plane of Salvation based on a necessary disobbedience of Adam and Eva (Faulse or true?)

3- The human nature of our Lord (was a man like us) (faulse or true?)

4- He lives in Kolob or nearby (faulse or true?)

5- Temple marriage open the door of the Celestial Kindom (faulse or true?)

6- Jesus is the brother of Satan (faulse or true?)

7- through righteus work and temple work and persevering in mormon teaching (till the end) human with their spouse will become gods (faulse or true?)

These are just from official doctrine.

The other things since are not official but nevertheless disgusting in their conception I would not even say or repet.

If none of the above is faulse why you have written what you have written? For creating confusion or not to close the door to a probable proselitism of some reader?

I repeat again what I say if it is not clear:

If I cannot react strongly with somebody appropriating the Holy names I have my faith in and seeing them doing whatever they want with them, glorifying in himns a faulse prophets whose fantasies went against every Father of Christianity, every Saint of Christianity Ortodox or Catholic, and for an unknown reason prefering him to them,
sorry I react strongly. I don’t insult them, even though I feel deeply insulted by the freedom they take in doing what they are doing.


You take the freedom of blaspemy ok and nevertheless I don’t insult you, I just react strongly, I don’t even tell you not to do it any more, I tell you just that for me is blasphemy, after all the freedom you and your organization take, at least leave me the freedom of feeling insulted and the sorrow of listening to these blasphemy.
Just leave me with these things.
You have your right in insulting and blasphemy I am in favour of you to keep on doing it as a Christian. I am in favour of freedoom of expression.

Or you want take this freedom out of me or the other like me. The freedom even to suffer from what you say?
 
The LDS church…teachings…Heavenly Father came to earth and had sex with his spirit daughter the Blessed Virgin Mary to produce Jesus.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
Oh my goodness!!!

You mentioned that during your membership with the LDS that this was taught proudly, how did the average LDS member reconcile this. How did they make it “okay” to accept it?

If I really believed that God the Father committed the horrendous sins of Adultery and Incest, I would NOT worship Him.

Is this the main issue that triggered you to become a Catholic?
 
Dear my LDS friends and those who practice Mormonism,

I came across this youtube video that speaks about your theology on God, Jesus, salvation, and the afterlife.

youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E

I ask you please to ignore the obviously bias talk in the video, and just focus on what they say objectively. Obviously this was made to discredit your beliefs (and in some blunt words, too!) but I don’t want you to focus on that.

Let’s say this video was made without the anti-Mormon sentiment, and was made with an objective, non-biased, educational intent. Would it still reflect what LDS believe are true?

Peace.

P.S.: On a slightly unrelated note, I heard that “Mormon” is a slightly derogatory term, and you guys prefer to be called “Latter Day Saints.” Out of sheer curiosity, why does “Mormon” have a stigma attached to it?
Scott, I strongly urge you to never learn your theology from a Cartoon.

To give you some perspective, Should I believe the teachings in these Chick Tracts ?
Are RCC Christian?
Is there Another Christ?
Why Is Mary Crying?

These are just a sample of their great doctrinal material on the RCC. I looked them over and they seemed to be accurate in their quotations, lining up with what I was taught as a young catholic. I ask you please to ignore the obviously bias talk in the Chick presentation, and just focus on what they say objectively.
 
These are the points I deeply feel insulted as a Christian:

1- Apostasy of the early Fathers (false or true)?

2- The Plan of Salvation based on a necessary disobbedience of Adam and Eve (False or true?)

3- The human nature of our Lord (was a man like us) (false or true?)

4- He lives in Kolob or nearby (false or true?)

5- Temple marriage open the door of the Celestial Kindom (false or true?)

6- Jesus is the brother of Satan (false or true?)

7- through righteous work and temple work and preserving in mormon teaching (till the end) human with their spouse will become gods (false or true?)
I too feel insulted by these as well. It is difficult to hear these insults to our God and even more difficult for me to understand how one could come to believe in them. I do not think that any LDS members intend to offend us when they say these things.

Just last night a relative and I were discussing Latter-day Saint teachings and how there is zero scientific evidence for their teachings, specifically what the book of Mormon claims happened in the Americas. For example: Native Americans’ DNA show that they have no Jewish Ancestry.There is scientific proof that the Book of Mormon is false, specifically insects / animals claimed to be in the Americas prior to their proven first arrival in the New World. And there is so much scientific (Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano and the Tilma of Juan Diego) and historical evidence (the Early Church Fathers from the 1st Century on in addition to artifacts and ruins) proving the Catholic Church holds the Truth. I don’t know if LDS members ignore the extensive research and evidence or if they truly don’t know it exists or if they are not permitted to read anything not produced by the LDS Church?

Thankfully all humans have the capacity to come to the knowledge of Truth. I pray that everyone will consider what they believe, what has been handed down to them, contemplate it, pray about it, study it and test it’s trustworthiness.
 
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ParkerD:
Be aware also that the Book of Mormon forewarns of those in our day who, having been members and left and become antagonistic, would broadcast their incorrect depictions of beliefs to deceive others. It seems not to be a very self-honest thing to do, but it was foreseen in the Book of Mormon and we are seeing it happen as this thread beginning shows.
…maybe in the Book of Mormon are talking about LDS…
ask yourself, maybe I am wrong, and if I am wrong you or any other LDS believer please correct me,
in this book there is no real offence to Christianity, neither it conteins or is the source of your doctrine.
In this book is not written about mariage exaltation or eternal mariage nor that the Lord was a human like us, neither anything about the baptism for the deaths, nor the most offensive things ever written on Our Mary, nor a word on Kolob, nor that Jesus was Satan brother, neither the plane of salvation, nor the human will become gods that will populate other planets, nor temple cerimonies, nor secret “sacred” rituals, nor confusion like Adam was the Archange Michael.

To me it seems what you have said could address more to you LDS then to Christians.

If you think about your doctrine is not even a development of what is written in the Book of Mormon.

The Book of Mormon is much closer to Christianity then LDS mormons are.
 
The Pearl of Great Price states that God showed Abraham a star, which he called Kolob, far off in the heavens, and said that His dwelling place was somewhere near to that star.

I can’t understand for the life of me why that statement would be remotely offensive to Catholics. Other than Ed Decker told you that you should find it offensive.

What’s so upsetting about that? Is it just upsetting that Mormons think that they know something that didn’t come through the Catholic Church? Is pride implicated? What’s the big hysterical deal about Kolob? Why would such a factoid need to be in the Book of Mormon? I say factoid, because it’s not really a “doctrine” … except for the implication that God is real, has a real physical habitation. Like CS Lewis said, Heaven is a place, but hell is a state of mind.
 
The Pearl of Great Price states that God showed Abraham a star, which he called Kolob, far off in the heavens, and said that His dwelling place was somewhere near to that star.

I can’t understand for the life of me why that statement would be remotely offensive to Catholics. Other than Ed Decker told you that you should find it offensive.

What’s so upsetting about that? Is it just upsetting that Mormons think that they know something that didn’t come through the Catholic Church? Is pride implicated? What’s the big hysterical deal about Kolob? Why would such a factoid need to be in the Book of Mormon? I say factoid, because it’s not really a “doctrine” … except for the implication that God is real, has a real physical habitation. Like CS Lewis said, Heaven is a place, but hell is a state of mind.
I know for you it is not offensive. For this reason a stated this out. And another person here too. We don’t think, or better we are sure that when you say it you think is not offensive. First of all since for you is not you think is not for the others: for example cannibalism is not bad for who pratiques it.

How can I explain why this with the other points are deeply insultant?

You have to see who is God for Christians. The Lord is so, but so higher then any capacity of grasping or rationalaizing his nature that is like he doesn’t have nature but is the core of all nature but is not all nature at the same time. Since He is behond conception He is behond time and space. He doesn’t have any need, He is the need of everything else, He is absolute purity and goodness, and I can go on.
The concept of God for you is extremely lowering is Holy being. It is like for you LDS would be is the same if you go from celestial to telestial or outter darkness. Even in the first case is a degradation of state.
Degradating the sate of the Lord is deeply offensive for something like me. And I am sure for other Christians too.
So immagine when I hear He has a body of flesh and bones like us and that He lives nearby a star or a planet.
Leave it alone what Bringham Young said about it and the Virgin Mary (not official doctrine but nevertheless came from the mout of one of your prophet). This scene is even unconceivable for a Christian and I can say one of the worse blasphemy you could ever pronounce involving The Absolute Purity of our Holy Father and then the human purity of our Holy Mary.

You have a very accessible access of holyness and purity and it is me that I cannot understand why you cannot understand it is offensive.

And for this reason for me is much much more insulting hearing something like that then an insult to my mother. She is human, she could have even sometimes, hope not, go correctly with a form of insult. An insult is something that degrade your state with a clear faulsity. So immagine what is for me the degradation of our Lord. I know you don’t feel it inside. But there is something that even though you don’t feel you have to accept being real for the other. For eterosexual is very difficult to feel what can feel an omosexual and vice versa.

For the other concepts: Jesus the brother of Satan.
Jesus proceed directly from the Father and He is Holy in nature. Being Holy in nature is again to have an accessible example like being etherosexual. You are this way and you don’t become omosexual for choice, you must have something inside. (to be clear with the omosexuals: no discremination it is just an example. You are just sinners like the rest of us, just commiting a different kind of sin, the Lord has to forgive me, you and the other sinners no matter what kind of sin you commit is a sin)

Exaltation in mariage: this completely reduce the impact of the coming of Jesus Christ, and if you see and perceive Jesus like I do you feel deeply insulted.

And so on with the other concepts.

For you trying to explain why I and somebody like me feel deeply insulted is an hard task that implies having a different heart. Like the example I have given you.
If you try to reduce my feeling to your feeling** you cannot understand since what you believe made you differnt like what I believe made me differnt. It is of the outmost importance of what you believe since what you believe changes you in a way or another.** For this reason Jesus said if you believe in me you will be saved and the Will of My Father is you to believe in Who He has sent.
It is not a question of being polite, well mannered people. Good people to the eyes of other men.
Remember that what is good for the man may not be that good for the Lord and vice-versa.

Then of course if from your point of view you that you consider yourselves already saints and if you are married in a progression to be gods, and righteus since you are obbedient and follow your rules… of course then in this prospective you think it is pride.

Have you ever thought can be your pride?

PS: another point insulting is the fact that a mormon say he can bound the Lord. Or to say it more diplomatically that if he does all things as he should Lord has to recompensate him, he bound the Lord since the Lord is bounded form His word.
But did you understand His word? So why Jesus had so many things to say to the Pharesiens? They were like the cream of mormon. You have to pay your dime, they pay even more, you have to go in a mission they go in two mission, you have to fast once a month they fast three times. It is perfectly this concept that Jesus was denouncing on them. And who doesn’t understand doesn’t know who were the pharisiens.

Just accept mormon doctrine can be deeply insulting for a Christian.
 
Cowboy Pete

I repeat myself again and again (I know sometimes is too long and we skip parts)

If I cannot react strongly with somebody appropriating the Holy names I have my faith in and seeing them doing whatever they want with them, glorifying in himns a faulse prophets whose fantasies went against every Father of Christianity, every Saint of Christianity Ortodox or Catholic, and for an unknown reason prefering him to them,
sorry I react strongly. I don’t insult them, even though I feel deeply insulted by the freedom they take in doing what they are doing.

You take the freedom of blaspemy ok and nevertheless I don’t insult you, I just react strongly, I don’t even tell you not to do it any more, I tell you just that for me is blasphemy, after all the freedom you and your organization take, at least leave me the freedom of feeling insulted and the sorrow of listening to these blasphemy.
Just leave me with these things.
You have your right in insulting and blasphemy I am in favour of you to keep on doing it as a Christian. I am in favour of freedoom of expression.

Or you want take this freedom out of me or the other like me. The freedom even to suffer from what you say?

 
He would be nice if Parker D after the statment he made, would answer to my #45 and #49,
or another LDS member that can be held as reliable source.
 
**PLEASE TELL ME AND US THE INCORRECT THINGS I STATED.
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These are the point I deeply feel insulted as a Christian:

1- Apostasy of the early Fathers (faulse or true)?

2- The Plane of Salvation based on a necessary disobbedience of Adam and Eva (Faulse or true?)

3- The human nature of our Lord (was a man like us) (faulse or true?)

4- He lives in Kolob or nearby (faulse or true?)

5- Temple marriage open the door of the Celestial Kindom (faulse or true?)

6- Jesus is the brother of Satan (faulse or true?)

7- through righteus work and temple work and persevering in mormon teaching (till the end) human with their spouse will become gods (faulse or true?)

These are just from official doctrine.

… I am in favour of freedoom of expression.

Or you want take this freedom out of me or the other like me. The freedom even to suffer from what you say?
Truth save,

I certainly don’t want you to “suffer from what * say”, so if you’re going to do that, then don’t read anything I have posted in the past, and don’t read this response to your questions.
  1. The “great apostasy” was not caused by the ECF, no. I think they were doing their best with the conditions they found themselves in, except for any who marginalized those among them who didn’t think like they did or agree with them on every point of doctrine, and any who didn’t recognize and defer to the apostle John as the leading authority in the church on earth at the point in time when he was the last living apostle, and any who tried to bring back the law of sacrifice among their practices when Paul had written so convincingly and strongly against doing that.
  2. God knew Eve’s “nature” and Adam’s resoluteness, and if they had been perfect and their posterity had been perfect, then there would have been no Fall of Adam and Eve or of anyone, so from that standpoint it wasn’t “necessary”, but they accepted the atoning grace of Jesus Christ after they had eaten the forbidden fruit and then later they were taught about Jesus Christ; and we should accept the atoning grace of Jesus Christ also, and repent of our sins like Adam and Eve repented of their sins.
  3. No, He wasn’t a “man like us”–of course not.
  4. False.
  5. Christ opens the door to the Celestial Kingdom. Temple marriage is for those who want eternal marriage and are willing to keep eternal covenants with God and desire the kind of “seed” promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
  6. I don’t think that is a true statement, but some do and I don’t argue over their opinion.
  7. It is true that the Bible teaches repeatedly that the opportunity offered by Jesus Christ through living His gospel and through keeping covenants and being faithful, is to be like Christ and be a joint heir with Him, and that He is God. So, the basic answer to this question is “true” within the context of the Bible teachings about this which Latter-day Saints accept and believe, and which are repeated over and over again in the New Testament.*
 
…maybe in the Book of Mormon are talking about LDS…
ask yourself, maybe I am wrong, and if I am wrong you or any other LDS believer please correct me,
in this book there is no real offence to Christianity, neither it conteins or is the source of your doctrine.
In this book is not written about mariage exaltation or eternal mariage nor that the Lord was a human like us, neither anything about the baptism for the deaths, nor the most offensive things ever written on Our Mary, nor a word on Kolob, nor that Jesus was Satan brother, neither the plane of salvation, nor the human will become gods that will populate other planets, nor temple cerimonies, nor secret “sacred” rituals, nor confusion like Adam was the Archange Michael.

To me it seems what you have said could address more to you LDS then to Christians.

If you think about your doctrine is not even a development of what is written in the Book of Mormon.

The Book of Mormon is much closer to Christianity then LDS mormons are.
Truth save,

Adam and Eve were taught about eternal marriage and covenant making, and Abraham knew that doctrine as did Jesus Christ who taught it plainly as well. The Book of Mormon does teach it in 2 Nephi 2.

“the Lord was human like us” is not a true statement, and not what Latter-day Saints believe about Jesus Christ or about Heavenly Father.

“Baptism for the dead” is taught by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15, and is taught by Jesus Christ through His teaching that every man must be “born of water” to enter the kingdom of heaven and that the dead shall hear His voice, and Peter’s teaching that they shall be “judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit”. (1 Peter 4:6)

The speculation by Orson Pratt or anyone else concerning Mary’s conception was their own uninspired opinion, and I have no doubt he has learned differently where he is now, since he is long since in the spirit world. His speculation has never been taught except by speculative teachers who don’t accept the concept of authoritative, binding doctrine through the united voice of all the living apostles together, and his speculation should not be taught or believed as far as I’m concerned.
Mary conceived and bore the Savior as a pure virgin, just as the Bible and the Book of Mormon teach.

Doctrine and Covenants 132 is accepted as true doctrine, including that those who are exalted will have the opportunities of having spirit children during the eternities to come, and of being involved in creation of worlds. This is entering into the “joy of thy Lord” that is “being ruler over many things”.

Temple ceremonies are taught briefly in the Old Testament, and are alluded to on the Mount of Transfiguration. They are sacred, so of course they would not be openly shared with the world, just as Moses and Peter, James and John didn’t share everything they knew or learned, and had been commanded not to share certain sacred things.

Adam being Michael the Archangel makes sense to me, and is consistent with Daniel 7 and with Revelation 12, but you certainly don’t need to feel like it’s something you have to believe or even worry about at all.

Peace to you. Thanks for having written something positive about the Book of Mormon.👍
 
Parker D,

the first answer to your proposition of not reading if I feel insulting reveals you didn’t understand I wanted to make clear for mormon that their message is insulting and blaspheme for Christians. Apparently you didn’t understand. It is like saying if you walk naked you don’t commit any crime since other people can easily look elsewhere. Effective but just justification and no consideration of respect of the other.

Answer to your answer:

1- this was clear because the only thing you need to justify your doctrine is the reality of a great apostasy not when o who started. So it is flou, it just happened.
So if you don’t insult the Early Father you insult evrybody after the great apostasy Saints included. Does it change a lot as an insult?

2- Your saying to may understanding is like climbing on a wall of ice. Very slipery. What does it means. For you anyway it was good so they could accept Christ?
Christ came as a consequence not was something desired and needed if they didn’t disobey. It is like saying it is extremely good to be defigurated so you can go to THE plastic surgeon!

3- OK the lord of a human not like us but a human like who? guess a more updated version, better at the base. This rest a deep blasphemy. You either didn’t reed what I have written or didn’t understand, that is impossible to understandthe trascended nature of our Lord. Please read again what I have written.

4- This is strange. There is even an himn about Kolob was you say it is faulse? because nobody tought to you yet?

5- So a mormon can enter to the Celestial kindom without being married Please answer straightly to this?

6- If you don’t think it is true goes to your honour but your doctrine teaches it.

7- you didn’t answer to this.

You forgot to unswer to my #49

I only understand that the only reason you want to appear different then what you are (socially good but Christian blaspematory doctrine) is for proselitism.
You want to get people in your organization with the use of the book of mormon. The book of mormon is not blasphematory, but is not the bible, so the first step is proposing to a person accepting a book different from the bible that say nothing more really.
Once they have accepted can be another book they begin be prepared to other things, the door is open, is like with drugs or committing a crime, once you start you are more willing to "improve " in this path.
So after the milk is passed, since the milk is similar at what the poor guy is used to be , you start little by little to present some meat: some blasphemy.
Once the poor guy start to accept the small blasphemy the door start to open more widely for the bigger ones up to the point that he think it is good because itfeels good. Like using drugs. If it makes you feel good means it is good. Then you are addicted, you feel good and you keep on doing it since it is so good. Of course it is worse for the soul for we Christians since for us drugs kill our body blasphemy kill our soul.

And then my last question:
Why you want to be recognized as christians by people belonging to Christianity and theiryou faulse churches.
To do proselitism? So that when you are recognized is the first step the first glass of milk and then you repeat your trick to bring as many people as you can to your salvation that correspond to the total ruin of their soul from a Christian doctrine standpoint of view?
 
I know for you it is not offensive…
That’s not the issue at all. I asked you to explain why *you *find the idea of Kolob offensive, and in your long post, you have not even begun to answer my question.

Yes, I could address the other points, but why waste the time if you’re not going to be reasonable? The inclusion of Kolob on your list, and your refusal to explain why that’s offensive, suggests to me that you’ve merely ported over a list of Mr. Decker’s objections. And it’s his job to get offended at other people’s religions. That’s how he makes his money. He gets offended at your religion, too, and makes money from writing at that.

So please explain why the actual LDS teachings about Kolob are offensive. Not what Ed Decker said that we believe about Kolob. Just the idea that God has a particular physical place, throne, which could be referenced in Abraham’s time by saying that it was “near” some star named Kolob.

You said that the list of doctrines makes you feel physically sick. So I ask you, what makes you so upset about that info about Kolob?

Address that and then I’ll move to another point. But if you don’t, I don’t think I should lose my time.

You say that Kolob is “blasphemy”? I don’t understand why… Have you really thought this through?
 
Just out of curiosity, CowboyPete, if God occupies physical space and (presumably) sits on a throne somewhere near a star (or planet; the accounts conflict) named Kolob, do you think God also (somehow) is able to transcend both space and time? If so, how does that work? Does God leave any and all space-time matrices in order to transcend or is he able to transcend within a particular material cosmos (such as ours)? If the former, what happens to his body? If the latter, how is he able to transcend both space and time while simultaneously occupying a particular space on a particular planet while simultanoulsy being material (i.e., comprised of subatomic particles and energy)? If he does not transcend and is rooted in space and is always made of matter, how then can God still be God? This latter kind of God seems an awful lot like Zeus, just a powerful, immortal dude able to throw bad weather around.
 
The video is accurate as to what was taught when I was LDS (1975 - 1986) with one exception:

The video says that the LDS teach that Joseph Smith did more for humanity than anyone INCLUDING JESUS CHRIST.

What the LDS really taught was that Joseph Smith did more for humanity than anyone EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST.

The LDS church has recently attempted to distance itself from many of these teachings, especially the one that says that Heavenly Father came to earth and had sex with his spirit daughter the Blessed Virgin Mary to produce Jesus. But when I was LDS, this was freely and proudly taught.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
Back in the mid to late 1960’s and in my teens, in Sunday school I was taught that the black people originated from Cain being punished by God to killing his brother Abel. God placed a mark on all of Cain’s descendants by making their skin a dark color.
 
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