LDS: Jesus always God?

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In asking this question I mean no disrespect to our LDS brothers and sisters. I ask for your forgiveness in advance if I offend anyone. I am just interested in this point of LDS Christology. Here is the question:

When Jesus was born in Bethlehem was He fully God (or a god, whichever you prefer)? By this I mean was He equal in all ways to the Father? Lying in Mary’s arms did He possess infinite wisdom, power, glory, goodness, mercy, and justice, ever to be worshiped and adored, equal to “Heavenly Father” in all things, considering the totality of His person, fully human and fully divine? Was He to be worshiped lying in the manger?

Thank you &
Merry Christmas!
 
If no, is He now fully God (or a god, whichever you prefer), equal in all ways to the Father, and possessing infinite wisdom, power, glory, goodness, mercy, and justice, ever to be worshiped and adored, considering the totality of His person, fully human and fully divine?

If yes, when did He become so?

Thank you
 
I am not a mormon, but I know this about momonism.

First they do not believe in God as Christians do. In fact they usually call God “heavenly father” instead.

Mormons believe that God (hf) was originally a human male with a body of “flesh and bone” who worked his way up to Godhood.

They do not beleive in one God, but many. So Jesus to them is “a” God.

Any faithfull “worthy” temple married mormon can expect to be a “god” himself.

But we can’t catch up to HF due to “eternal progression”.
 
They believe ( I think) that Christ has the same soul as us, but His body was created by God the Father coming down and having sex with Mary instead of it being a virgin birth done by the power of the Holy Spirit. That and Christ was the first born spirit child of God the Father. So, to them Christ was able to become God but might not have been at his birth (I can’t say I don’t know how their process of becoming gods specifically takes place.
 
They believe ( I think) that Christ has the same soul as us, but His body was created by God the Father coming down and having sex with Mary instead of it being a virgin birth done by the power of the Holy Spirit. That and Christ was the first born spirit child of God the Father. So, to them Christ was able to become God but might not have been at his birth (I can’t say I don’t know how their process of becoming gods specifically takes place.
Neither do they. 🤷
 
I am not a mormon, but I know this about momonism.

First they do not believe in God as Christians do. In fact they usually call God “heavenly father” instead.

Mormons believe that God (hf) was originally a human male with a body of “flesh and bone” who worked his way up to Godhood.

They do not beleive in one God, but many. So Jesus to them is “a” God.

Any faithfull “worthy” temple married mormon can expect to be a “god” himself.

But we can’t catch up to HF due to "eternal progression".
So a bit like a religious MLM?
 
In asking this question I mean no disrespect to our LDS brothers and sisters. I ask for your forgiveness in advance if I offend anyone. I am just interested in this point of LDS Christology. Here is the question:

When Jesus was born in Bethlehem was He fully God (or a god, whichever you prefer)? By this I mean was He equal in all ways to the Father? Lying in Mary’s arms did He possess infinite wisdom, power, glory, goodness, mercy, and justice, ever to be worshiped and adored, equal to “Heavenly Father” in all things, considering the totality of His person, fully human and fully divine? Was He to be worshiped lying in the manger?

Thank you &
Merry Christmas!
Hi, Dcana,

Merry Christmas to you also, and great peace for the New Year.

Latter-day Saints use the expression, “God,” “God the Son”, or “the Son of God”, and not the other lower case version you had in parenthesis whenever referring to Jesus Christ as God.

Jesus being literally the Son of God, with power over death because He was the Son of God and thus possessed the power within Himself to resurrect Himself and to give up His own life through death when it was time through His own voluntary act, was God when He was born of Mary. His literal Father was God the Father, through Mary’s conception by the power of the Holy Ghost sanctifying her body to carry in her womb the Son of God, having conceived Him through miraculous divine means since she was a virgin and remained a virgin then and until after He was born.

Jesus had been God omnipotent in the pre-mortal world where He offered to come to this earth to be our Redeemer and Savior. He was omniscient and omnipotent and in full accord with Father in Heaven in all ways, during the time beginning when He was the “First Born” in the spirit and all the time after that, but came to earth as a baby with a veil over His memory and with the learning process a part of His life on earth. He “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.” He “waxed strong in spirit”. So that would mean He wasn’t “equal in all ways to His Father” in terms of omniscience as a baby or a toddler. But by the time He was twelve years old, He possessed greater wisdom and understanding than the most learned of the learned Jewish scholars. No question that He learned faster than any other person on earth has ever learned, by a huge magnitude of difference.

He was worshiped by the wise men who came to the place where He was at about age two, and both Anna and Simeon also showed that they knew He was the promised Messiah and the light of the world when they saw Him soon after He was born. If one of us had been there and were familiar with the Biblical prophecies about Him and about His birth, then no doubt we would have felt the same desire to worship Him as did the wise men. It was a totally righteous act to do so.

But that is not to say that Jesus possessed “infinite wisdom” at that point in His life on earth as a baby and a toddler. He “increased in wisdom” (Luke 2:52), so that means He experienced a learning process from the time He was a baby up through some time before age thirty when He began His actual public ministry, but learned faster and with perfectness in that learning as compared with any other person on earth, each of whose learning is very imperfect and much more gradual.

I hope this has answered your questions.
 
So can an LDS Elder become like Jesus but in another world?
Hi, TriumphGuy,

Perhaps you are familiar with John’s teaching in 1 John 3:2-3 which says:

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.”

Verse one also lets the reader know that “the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not” and speaks of “what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us”.

So the words “we shall be like him” are part of the teachings of the apostle John. Also, Jesus taught “be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48)

Latter-day Saints receive those teachings as being attainable through the atoning grace and power of Jesus Christ and through the mercy and love of God the Father. To become “like him” would mean to be a “joint-heir” with Him of “all things” just as Paul and John taught (Romans 8:17 and Revelation 3:21 and 21:7).
 
Perhaps modify the question to, do you believe Jesus was FULLY God.

“There was in Palestine a couple, Joseph and Mary. They lived in Nazareth. They had traveled, evidently, from Nazareth to Bethlehem in order to pay a tax that had been decreed by the Roman Emperor. That was the ostensible purpose. She, heavy with child, traveled all that distance on mule-back, guarded and protected as one about to give birth to a half-Deity. No other man in the history of this world of ours has ever had such an ancestry—God the Father on the one hand and Mary the Virgin on the other.” (from lds.org)
 
So Parker,

When you said “First Born” does the LDS church deny that Christ is co-eternal with God the Father?

Does the LDS Church believe that God the Father is Eternal to Eternal?

God Bless
 
Parker, that is not the teachings I read from Mormon sites in 2005.

Someone gave us a link to new Mormon teachings as of this fall, 2011…doesn’t that show you that these particular men who taught as such were in essence and objectively speaking, false prophets…

Why continue to put your faith and trust into such an organization??

Come home Parker to Christ’s Catholic Church…our teachings don’t change, but they are expounded on in every generation…I am thankful to see that the Mormons now see Mary as ever virgin…your faith constructs are coming closer and closer into mainline Christianity…and I hope some day, Mormons will likewise call themselves Christians like the rest of us.
 
I am not a mormon, but I know this about momonism.

First they do not believe in God as Christians do. In fact they usually call God “heavenly father” instead.

Mormons believe that God (hf) was originally a human male with a body of “flesh and bone” who worked his way up to Godhood.

They do not beleive in one God, but many. So Jesus to them is “a” God.

Any faithfull “worthy” temple married mormon can expect to be a “god” himself.

But we can’t catch up to HF due to “eternal progression”.
I just want to clarify…

This is not true. None of it.

It would be great if we let the LDS actually answer the question first to avoid confusion.
 
Pinay…you are one of those who do not know the history of Mormon thought. Watch out, because some parts are becoming more and more like Catholics in basic thought. You do not think we are nice people either.

Some day you may find yourself returning to the true Church instituted by Christ 2000 years ago.
 
Perhaps modify the question to, do you believe Jesus was FULLY God.

“There was in Palestine a couple, Joseph and Mary. They lived in Nazareth. They had traveled, evidently, from Nazareth to Bethlehem in order to pay a tax that had been decreed by the Roman Emperor. That was the ostensible purpose. She, heavy with child, traveled all that distance on mule-back, guarded and protected as one about to give birth to a half-Deity. No other man in the history of this world of ours has ever had such an ancestry—God the Father on the one hand and Mary the Virgin on the other.” (from lds.org)
No, he is not and never was half-deity.

Jesus Christ volunteered to become mortal as part of the Atonement. A mortal person is composed of 2 things - body and spirit. Jesus Christ’s Spirit was and ever will be God. But, he was strapped in a mortal body while here on earth with all the attributes and weaknesses of mortality.

Catholics believe this as well. If He was not fully mortal, then his birth, death, and resurrection would hold a different importance.
 
They believe ( I think) that Christ has the same soul as us, but His body was created by God the Father coming down and having sex with Mary instead of it being a virgin birth done by the power of the Holy Spirit. That and Christ was the first born spirit child of God the Father. So, to them Christ was able to become God but might not have been at his birth (I can’t say I don’t know how their process of becoming gods specifically takes place.
This is not true either. None of it.
 
A post just came up on another thread on Mormonism, providing another ongoing witness…shared by Miriam, post 107, on how a Mormon woman was taught and is now becoming a Catholic. Go back and verify thread…‘A Catholic Look at Mormonism’…

I read materials at the Deseret bookstore and follow up’s…very unusual thinking… and Mormonism is pulling the links…

People most inclined to believe in Mormonism – now – are people born outside of the USA because they are not aware of its traditional beliefs like Americans are.

I find covering up very dishonest…Paul DuPre and PeterJohn are excellent in providing verifiable teachings, beliefs and practices of Mormonism…up until the present time of the internet and open, online information, free to the public. There are many American Mormons leaving their religion because of the expose…and it is likewise causing the Mormon sophists to standardize their teachings now to keep their members.

This is a warning to people…best you check out Mormonism’s history before jumping in with both feet and believing everything they say.
 
So can an LDS Elder become like Jesus but in another world?
Not according to doctrine.

But, everyone is free to speculate what happens after Judement Day as God has not revealed much about that. Are we just going to sit in clouds with our harps and sing all day? Maybe, maybe not. Do we get to choose a kingdom and rule that? Maybe, maybe not. Nobody knows - neither LDS nor Catholics. All we know is that if we pass Judgement Day with flying colors, we get to live with God.
 
We look to the Gospel of Christ Himself, Pinay…Christ spoke to the Good Thief that he would be with Him in paradise…the Lord said there is no marrying in heaven…we are called to the banquet table…in God there is no need.

Our reward in this life is God Himself and having all our relationships in Christ restored. Let the living here on earth procreate the world as God intended.
 
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