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To share God’s holiness and have eternal life, not become a god yourself and be worshipped as such by your own creation.
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Of course not (and admittedly I was rushing this AM and didn’t word that well). As you know, Christians believe in three facets of one being; as opposed to the Mormon belief of three distinct and separate “physical” entities as doctrinally maintained by the D&C (and I won’t even mention the living arrangements). Mormons have told me that they really only worship heavenly father, as opposed to all three (also that Christ and the Holy Spirit are not considered gods), but I’ve never researched the canon on that one. Either way, it’s not congruent with Christian belief.
As part of the Pearl of Great Price, the Book of Abraham is part of the four standard works; it is Mormon CANON. Mormons in here get upset when anybody gets data from a non-LDS source; and even from non-canonical MORMON sources, like the JoD. So, ya go to the LDS website (hardly a non-LDS source), refer to the four standard works (canonical) and find polytheistic dogma in two of them (PGP-BoA and D&C). Then, just to be sure, ya go to the Gospel Principles Manual (also on the LDS website) to be extra sure about what the church currently teaches regarding the polytheistic dogma in the canon. And, guess what? It teaches polytheism (actually henotheism).
Maybe individual Mormons have different interpretations of the material, but the church itself is quite clear about how it interprets and teaches the stuff.
Yes, Mormons are bound to that which is true; and that which is true (for Mormons) is defined by the four standard works of Mormon canon. Once you go outside of that, you go into apostasy and are no longer “in communion” with Salt Lake City.
Nobody is criticizing Mormons or Mormon beliefs; like anybody else, some Mormons are great folks and some are total jerks. What people object to is the manner in which Mormons try to camouflage core dogma and rush people to the baptismal font without full disclosure of doctrine that is not congruent with Christian belief. If somebody knows the whole deal and still wants to become a Mormon, that’s cool. However, a lot of that stuff is pretty far out there and failure to present the full set of beliefs prior to baptism, such as we do with RCIA, is not honest. All we try to do here is provide a “caveat emptor” and the fact that Mormons consider us “anti-Mormons” for doing that is revealing in itself.
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Sometime after my daughter converted to Mormonism, married in the temple and started producing children (bodies for the “spirit babies”), she told me that Mormons believe that Jesus is just “a” god. I remember that as if she said it yesterday because I nearly lost my breath with that one.
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LOL, gotta give you credit for persistence….
The Divine Nature is that which is infinitely perfect, and it proceeds from God, who is the infinitely perfect being. We can share in that nature, partake of it, but we cannot become the source of that nature. St. Thomas Aquinas explained it by saying something to the effect of a red hot iron gets red hot from being in the fire (i.e., it shares in the fire’s nature), but it cannot become the fire itself.
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Dude, you’re quoting from the JoD; even though they’re Mormon quotes from a Mormon document, you’re not allowed to do that – referring to that material is apparently “anti-Mormon.” Why Me posted the following announcement from Salt Lake City awhile back, it explains how some doctrine is more doctrinal than other doctrine:
“Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted.”
So, anything other than the four standard works is off limits, and anything contained in the four standard works is absolutely doctrine.
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RC_Matt
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In that case, there is no conflict between your interpretation and anything taught in the Catechism. The issue is that your interpretation is not the one held by the LDS.
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ronald_g_w
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Jesus (only beggoten in the flesh) was created the same as us and went on to recieve his imortal body just as we will
Why does JESUS CHRIST have an imortal body of FLESH & BONE that differs from His Father , no body parts or…
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why_me
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Because we possessed something that he has never possessed. However in Mormon teaching god once had a physical body and so within mormonism it is a mute point. But in catholicism there is a point. God cannot know what it means to have a body unless he has also had a body. That is the point.Huh? are you serious? because we have a body we are superior to God. How is it even possible for us to be superior to God? He is Our Maker, If it were not for God WE would not even exist, so how in the world can we be superior? You say you are Catholic, what Catholic believes that idiocy?
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why_me
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No, because someone has provided scripture where the plurality of gods is mentioned. Nothing more.
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why_me
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I think that this is true. It seems that the lds church is much hated. And yet, the message is actually rather pure: love god, obey his commandments, keep the body holy both inwardly and outwardly and love your fellow human being.
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why_me
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It does seem that satan is attempting to destroy our bodies. In lds theology, the evil one attempts to have us destroy our bodies both spiritually and physically. All because he is envious of our bodies and to subvert the work of god.
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why_me
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Just the opposite. The closer we get to Jesus the more threatened he is. :knight1:
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why_me
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You mean that there is actually meat and not milk in the lds website. Why shimmermetimbers, I would never believe it. :bigyikes:
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why_me
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The key to the King Follett sermon is this:
Readers should be reminded that the account of the talk was reconstructed from longhand notes taken by four brethren. It is also important to know that the Prophet’s enemies were within just a few months of bringing about his death. This reprint was taken from the Documentary History of the Church, volume 6, pages 302–17.
The sermon itself is incomplete since it is now comprised from long hand notes taken from four men who attended the sermon. Now I have to say that the lds do deserve credit for having this sermon on their website. But it is incomplete. Unfortunately, we do not have the sermon as spoken by Joseph Smith. JS was not much of a writer. He very rarely kept a journal but rather had others do the journal writing for him. This can create veribility problems. And if he did give a sermon he seems to have very rarely keep the record of it. Much depends on who was taking the notes in audience.
Readers should be reminded that the account of the talk was reconstructed from longhand notes taken by four brethren. It is also important to know that the Prophet’s enemies were within just a few months of bringing about his death. This reprint was taken from the Documentary History of the Church, volume 6, pages 302–17.
The sermon itself is incomplete since it is now comprised from long hand notes taken from four men who attended the sermon. Now I have to say that the lds do deserve credit for having this sermon on their website. But it is incomplete. Unfortunately, we do not have the sermon as spoken by Joseph Smith. JS was not much of a writer. He very rarely kept a journal but rather had others do the journal writing for him. This can create veribility problems. And if he did give a sermon he seems to have very rarely keep the record of it. Much depends on who was taking the notes in audience.
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ronald_g_w
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ronald_g_w
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So if I see it your way we have
- God the Father species A as He is God (no body parts or …)
2 Jesus Christ species B as He is man and God (immortal body)
3 man species C he is just man. (immortal body)
We are litteral spirit children of God, we are made in his immage, what immage is that ? this question make reason stare!
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ronald_g_w
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AMDGtoo
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- God is spirit. (John 4:24–KJV) “God is a Spirit”, so that would be species “A”
- Jesus Christ is both species A (God) and that of man (Luke 1:30-31–KJV)
- man is God’s creation, species “B” (see Genesis 1:27-KJV)
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