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1holycatholic
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You couldn’t be more wrong.
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Jerusha
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Let us hold to accepted definitions. This one is consistent through many online dictionaries. People can have minor differences on common beliefs, people can hold differences of belief private, people may be mis-taught, and not be heretics.
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1holycatholic
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Heresy:
Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”
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Catholic_Dude
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The LDS webpage published that Sermon in the official LDS magazine. The magazine makes it clear the scribes accurately recorded Smith’s message.
What is simply amazing here is the double standard in play. On one hand you don’t want to say those teachings are false and that JS was wrong, on the other hand you don’t want that Sermon to be accurately transcribed because of what it reveals.
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Jerusha
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And if, according to my understanding, it was transcribed independently by two listeners, and the transcription we have is a combination of those two, we must accept it as what he said.
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RebeccaJ
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1holycatholic
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Since Gnostics and Mormons are not Christian you don’t have a point.
What exactly is a “Mormon rite Catholic occultist”???
Are you ashamed of your Mormonism?
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RebeccaJ
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They may not be baptized, but the heresy they hold to emerged from those who were, thus, gnosticism is a heresy.
There is a difference between heresy and heretic. Mormonism has ideas that have been condemned as heresies, the followers of Mormonism are following heresy, but the individuals themselves are not heretics.
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RebeccaJ
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Personal error in understanding does not make one a heretic. It makes one human, ie, no one expects that you got baptized in March and are a Catholic theology expert by August.
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Jerusha
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Where’s the video recording?
Would definitely be more trustworthy. But even that could be faked, if the audio didn’t match the lip movements, or the videographer was too far away. Everything is debatable, but why wste the time on some things.
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RebeccaJ
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If there were a video, certain Mormons would just claim it were faked by Catholics.
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Jerusha
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LOL I just self-edited a reply to that one!!!
Those folks think they are just poor victims persecuted on every side. :crying: So many enemies. :crying:
Those folks think they are just poor victims persecuted on every side. :crying: So many enemies. :crying:
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RebeccaJ
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Tsuzuki, Someone who has misunderstood a doctrine or dogma is not a heretic. I am sure you have heard more than one Catholic say that conversion is a life long process. This is not a Catholic buzzword, it is one way to communicate that we are working at becoming holy.
If you are truly looking at becoming closer to God, ie, becoming holy, then look to the examples of our Saints. Becoming holy requires no magic or Mormon gnostic beliefs, absolutely none. More like, these things are holding you back.
Have you read the writings of any of the Saints who were mystics? Have you tried the ancient prayer centering practice of lectio divina?
If you are truly looking at becoming closer to God, ie, becoming holy, then look to the examples of our Saints. Becoming holy requires no magic or Mormon gnostic beliefs, absolutely none. More like, these things are holding you back.
Have you read the writings of any of the Saints who were mystics? Have you tried the ancient prayer centering practice of lectio divina?
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Nordar
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Not so!, more of the absurd nonsense.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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your right they are blasphemy
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Catholic_Dude
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Here is what the official LDS magazine says:
Longhand notes of the discourse were made by Willard Richards, Wilford Woodruff, Thomas Bullock, and William Clayton. This reprint was taken from the *Documentary History of the Church, *vol. 6, pages 302–17. That volume notes: “This was not a stenographic report, but a carefully and skillfully prepared one made by these men who were trained in reporting and taking notes. Evidently, there are some imperfections in the report and some thoughts expressed by the Prophet which were not fully rounded out and made complete. …”
BWAHAHAHA! I can just see it now, a bunch of Jesuits dress up and reenact the Nauvoo pageant.
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nebula
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I think you are mistaken to equate intolerance for an idea with personal hatred. Of course Catholics in general will have intolerance for the ideas of Mormonism because by Catholic standards they are heresy. Mormons show intolerance for Catholic ideas by calling the creeds an abomination and assuming that every Christian baptism out there is invalid and must be redone, even if that means baptizing the dead relatives of members of other churches. That’s because Mormons believe that their 'fullness of the gospel" really is better, truer than what Catholics have to offer, just as Catholics believe that their church is the one with the real authority. It’s impossible not to have some kind of clash with exclusive truth claims on both sides.
What I think Mormons need to keep in mind is that compared to normative Christiantiy their beliefs are truly heterodox, and they should spend some time reflecting on that difference and why it exists. In my experience, many Mormons are so eager to be regarded as everyday Christians that they take immediate offense to any suggestion otherwise without thinking about why that suggestion is made at all and instead focus on superficials ("‘Jesus Christ’ is in the name of our church, after all!")
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isaiah_9v6
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Hey, I know were I heard that humans can become Gods before. It’s in the Bible…Some Serpent talking to Eve. Here is the quote from Genesis 3:1-6 (king James Version, only translation Lds considers valid )…
[1] Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Yee shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
There Can be Only one I AM, Alpha and Omega not many.
May the Peace of Christ be with all of you.
[1] Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Yee shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
There Can be Only one I AM, Alpha and Omega not many.
May the Peace of Christ be with all of you.
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why_me
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JS took as his base the text in II Corninthians where Paul is boasting. JS took it a step further. However, boasting in itself is not a sin. When put in context, JS knew that his life was in danger and of course it was. He was dead soon after the sermon and this sermon or boast was said for his enemies.
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why_me
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No one is wriggling. I claimed that the King Follett sermon was revolutionary and a bold statement. It brought christianity into new directions. Harold Bloom claimed that it was the best sermon in american religious history. And I agree. JS gave the sermon. But I have shown that the sermon was an account of what was said and not an actual word by word statement.
As you know the anglicans are constantly changing their doctrine to fit into the mainstream of PC thought.
As you know the anglicans are constantly changing their doctrine to fit into the mainstream of PC thought.
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