LDS: King Follett Sermon - WOW! WOW! WOW!

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Tsuzuki said:
I renounce every part of Mormonism that is inherently incompatible with Catholicism. What exactly that is I reserve a lifetime to decide.
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Tsuzuki's Profile "lucifer in tenebris lucet" Latest Activity August 10:
In my own words
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, though I am also a student of most of the world’s religions, including Catholicism, Gnosticism, Judaism, Taoism, Buddhism, and pretty much anything else you could mention. I also follow a philosophy known as “paradigm piracy”, where beliefs themselves are seen as tools.

I am also a practitioner of chaos magic, which is an “empty-handed” (without props or tools) form of magic that draws on as many sources as the practitioner cares to choose from. The emphasis in chaos magic is on technique and what gets results. In many respects, chaos magic is the practical application of the philosophy of paradigm piracy.

I am currently attending school as a psychology major. And I am active in Japanese anime/manga fandom.
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Tsuzuki said:
I renounce every part of Mormonism that is inherently incompatible with Catholicism. What exactly that is I reserve a lifetime to decide.
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Perhaps you missed where I said I read MADB now and then. I saw over there where you said that you would drop Catholicism if it came to a point where the LDS would take disciplinary action against you.

Here you say essentially the same thing, only, you would renounce Mormonism first.

Have you tipped the scales? Or suspending belief long enough to say what you think people want to hear?
 
Catholic_Dude said:
HOLY COW! He is not the only one…there are actually BOOKS on this mixing Mormonism with witchcraft and other religions!!!

And that link says he is from SACRAMENTo, of all places!

I’m disturbed by the reference to ‘lucifer’ in his signature, the mods should remove that.
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The book “Early Mormonism and the Magic World View”, by D. Michael Quinn is not accepted by mainstream Mormons. D. Michael Quinn is one of the most knowledgeable scholars on Mormon history. He was a professor at BYU, but resigned, and excommunicated from the Mormon church for not keeping his historical findings and scholarship to himself. (he was one of the September Six)

This book isn’t a “how to”, it is a historical look at the influences of American folk magic on early 19th century Mormonism. Particularly, on Joseph Smith. It is well documented that he was into occult practices, from scrying stones to talismans over his door in Nauvoo, IL and in his pocket, to the symbolism on the outside of the Nauvoo temple (also incorporated on the outside of the well known LDS temple in SlC).

Mormons CAN’T condemn the sort of things that Tsuzuki is into as their own founder, Joseph Smith, was the ultimate “paradigm pirate”, who created a religion that is a mish mash of everything his “magpie mind” (I like that term) came into contact with.

2 reviews of this book, here and here (from the Maxwell Institute at BYU)
 
The Russian Orthodox Church wishes to keep their monopoly in Russia. Most other churches come under harsh criticism, especially if they have a missionary program, by the Orthodox church.
 
reff said:
Ok but what about the Star Kolob, you were never taught that in Sunday School? I first learned that in seminary, that God lives on a Planet named Kolob. You’re right, it was in the Book of Abraham in the PoGP. I can testify that the two biggest things that lead me away from the Mormon faith was this teaching about God being an exhaulted man and that there are multiple gods, and the biggest was the secret temple ceremonies. Those two lead me to the Catholic Faith where I am happier and feel comfortable.
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The Mormon faith all comes down to the book of mormon. If the book of mormon is true, then the rest does not matter. If false, then the rest makes very little difference.

The temple ceremonies are not secret. When lds members go through the temple they learn the ceremony. Then, it is no longer a secret. However, since mormons hold the ceremony as holy, they believe that the ceremony should not be repeated to non-members or to people who have not gone to the temple.

God as an exalted man should make god much closer to us since that would mean that he has been there and done that. And he would have greater understanding of the human experience. Not at all bad when I think about it.
 
why_me said:
The Mormon faith all comes down to the book of mormon. If the book of mormon is true, then the rest does not matter. If false, then the rest makes very little difference.
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The book of mormon is irrelevant. Joseph Smith started a new, previously unknown polytheistic religion. Smith’s religion incorporates popular fads from that time.

Since polytheism is impossible, Mormonism is false.
 
why_me said:
The Mormon faith all comes down to the book of mormon. If the book of mormon is true, then the rest does not matter. If false, then the rest makes very little difference.

The temple ceremonies are not secret. When lds members go through the temple they learn the ceremony. Then, it is no longer a secret. However, since mormons hold the ceremony as holy, they believe that the ceremony should not be repeated to non-members or to people who have not gone to the temple.

God as an exalted man should make god much closer to us since that would mean that he has been there and done that. And he would have greater understanding of the human experience. Not at all bad when I think about it.
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The temple ceremonies are on-line:

concernedchristians.org/nocomparison_temple7.php

There are some recent changes which have been made that aren’t reflected at the above link, but they aren’t significant.

Jesus has been here and done that. He is God. God is One. That means God has been here and done that. Your whole line of reasoning is crazy for someone who claims to be a Catholic. And once again if God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, He doesn’t need to have come here and done that. God comes here in the person of Jesus for our benefit, not His benefit.
 
BartBurk said:
The temple ceremonies are on-line:

concernedchristians.org/nocomparison_temple7.php

There are some recent changes which have been made that aren’t reflected at the above link, but they aren’t significant.

Jesus has been here and done that. He is God. God is One. That means God has been here and done that. Your whole line of reasoning is crazy for someone who claims to be a Catholic. And once again if God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, He doesn’t need to have come here and done that. God comes here in the person of Jesus for our benefit, not His benefit.
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When has “Why Me” ever claimed to be Catholic? :confused:
 
1holycatholic said:
When has “Why Me” ever claimed to be Catholic? :confused:
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He claims to be Catholic with a Mormon wife and children. He claims he attends mass every week. I think he may also claim to have been baptized Mormon at one time, but I’m not sure about that.
 
why_me said:
God as an exalted man should make god much closer to us since that would mean that he has been there and done that. And he would have greater understanding of the human experience. Not at all bad when I think about it.
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Do you believe that God is our creator?
 
The only problem is that “the evidence available” is very limited, given the effort the LDS church makes to suppress any contrary evidence. And harrass those who seek to make any contrary evidence public.

LDS has a reputation for preying on the uneducated and emotionally unstable and those who simply do not have access to any contrary evidence.
 
He may be seeking to compartmentalize his conflicting beliefs without the psychological consequences.

He is nothing more than a chameleon and a chartalan. Remember slamanders.
 
why_me said:
God as an exalted man should make god much closer to us since that would mean that he has been there and done that. And he would have greater understanding of the human experience. Not at all bad when I think about it.
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God created us. He doesn’t need to understand us. It is more than obvious that it is we who don’t understand Him.
 
So did the moderators take off T’s “mormon rite” or did he do it himself?

If so, what made you decide to take it off of your signature line T?

in Christ
Steph
 
Jerusha said:
He may be seeking to compartmentalize his conflicting beliefs without the psychological consequences.

He is nothing more than a chameleon and a chartalan. Remember slamanders.
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Interesting correlation, that. Every self-proclaimed “chaos magician” I have known has exhibited genuinely sociopathic traits. JS fits right in there.
 
:newidea: Nothing new, there. Except I think BY was worse.
ibkc said:
Interesting correlation, that. Every self-proclaimed “chaos magician” I have known has exhibited genuinely sociopathic traits. JS fits right in there.
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why_me said:
God as an exalted man should make god much closer to us since that would mean that he has been there and done that. And he would have greater understanding of the human experience. Not at all bad when I think about it.
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Have you ever stopped and thought this through?

Every person’s experience is different. If your god lived at one time on another planet, you can’t even begin to assume what that god’s life was like. Did he live a life of luxury? Was there such a thing on that planet? Did he live in poverty? Did he ever go hungry or was he always fed? Did he go through life healthy and live to 90 years (is that earth years or god’s planet years?) or was he mentally retarded with multiple health problems and died at age 4? Did he give birth? Did he have a large family or was he infertile. Did he marry at all? Did he worry over stock market crashes? Did he have a kingdom on the Nile river? Did he milk cows and farm and worry over rain and healthy calves? Did bullies pick on him at school or was he voted most popular? Did he go to school? Did he receive loving nurture or endless torture?

What, experiences, exactly did your god have that made it possible that he has “been there done that” in relationship to every single experience that every single person who has ever been born would have?

Sounds to me like your god is you.
 
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