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majick275
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why does the LDS church attract so many people with fringe beliefs? soviet russia was EVIL!!! those who wish it were back do so for bad reasons.
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why_me
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Did you forget that liberation theology with its embrace of Marxism came from catholic priests and bishops in latin america?
Why does catholicism attract such fringe people??
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AMDGtoo
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Did you forget that Pope John Paul II was not for liberation theology? And that the individual opinions of bishops need to be in communion with the Pope to be considered what the Catholic Church teaches?
Liberation theology isn’t the issure.
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RC_Matt
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That’s correct, as opposed to the BoM, D&C and PGP, and therein lies that which “makes all the difference.” Mendaciously contorting meanings of selected passages from the Bible to support a belief system that is totally contradictory to that which it was and is intended to document is absurd.
Yup, and I could write my own BoM (The Book of Matt) and idiotically find a “Bible bite” here and there to support that too.
You’re right, it didn’t come out of the air. You keep saying this; and each time I have to resist the temptation agree with you, but to qualify my agreement with a comment related to haberdashery.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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Yes everyone is free to interpret Scripture as they see it. Unfortunately, those that do here to their own interpretations run the risk of falling into heresies and mistaken interpretations. that is why We have the Church As our guide post to back up what we read in scripture. It is not to say that we are not smart enough to see the meaning ourselves, but that we can be lead into error without a map to that shows the correct way. And If the map you are following was made by someone that did not survey the land correctly that map will lead you to the wrong place Example would be LDS with J smith. the JW’s etc…
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ronald_g_w
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JESUS CHRIST did not establish the “Catholic Church” He established The Church of JESUS CHRIST founded upon Apostles and Prophets of which you have none.
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ronald_g_w
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To some degree we can be perfect in what we do each day if we honestly do our best for that given day as this is all that is required of us, becoming perfect like our Heavenly Father is a process that could go way into the eternities. What ever degree of perfection we attain in this life will definatly go a long way in assisting us in the eternities and speed up the process.True, but the lds did take perfection to the extreme in the 1970’s. Now, it is more relaxed. Perfection does not necessarily mean that we all must be perfect as Christ was perfect.
But it can mean that each day we can improve ourselves and work toward holiness or sainthood and a close relationship with christ or if mormon, work toward a closer relationship with heavenly father with christ at the center of life.
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AMDGtoo
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Sorry, Matthew 16:18 disagrees with that (and so does history, reason, common sense…)
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ronald_g_w
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And you have to do it in the time frame it took JS with the level of education he had, including new propheses, taking a period of 1000 years, 100 + new names, 18 diffrent prophets with their own style of writing, it must validate the Bible, and it must all link amongst other things
While you are doing this you can not look over your note to pick up your previous days thoughts but must simply continue where you left off.
Be my guest.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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Yes may the force be with you.
As STAR WARS AND THE FORCE is closer to the truth of God than the LDS.
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ronald_g_w
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Sorry to you: But your answer screems against history, all reason and common sense… Yes JESUS CHRIST did appoint Peter as his preciding Apostle making him his mouth piece there on earth, His Prophet, for: “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the prophets.” Where are the Apostles and Prophets in the Catholic Church. They ended with the death of the Apostles some 2000 years ago. We need them no more?, because the church was established, I then ask why was it necessary to fill Judas’s shoes if the progression of the apostles was not necessary ??? For a moment humour me and ask yourself this question? If the Apostles were not martered and they went the way of the world naturally would they have stopped calling new Apostles as and when one passed on?To day more than ever in the history of mankind we need God to speak to us through his Prophets.
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Jerusha
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The closer one gets to Jesus, the easier one can see the tricks of the deceiver.
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AMDGtoo
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Actually, according to one of the LDS seminary instructors, Grant Palmer in his book An Insider’s Guide to Mormon Beginnings. the KJV Bible was borrowed from the town’s library over a long period of time by “JS and company” during the time JS wrote the BOM. And we know that JS’s “partner in crime” also was pretty knowledgeable about Prostestant scripture. Then we come to the 1840’s (on or about King Follett Speech time) where we know that JS had in his possession of a large Cabbalist (Jewish occult–hardly Christian) library (because of a friendship with a particular European practitioner of the Cabbala.
Scholars have long known that there is no archeological evidence of the cities JS claimed to have existed, and some indicate that the topography actually agrees with the typography around upper New York state.
Still I think I might agree that RC_Matt might have a bit of trouble. That is unless, he takes a tactic from the Mormons and not only keeps folks from using their reasoning abilities, (while “hiding” anything that might give the people a clue that there is more to be seen) and convincing them to “open up to a spirit” while not allowing them to “discern the spirits” like the Bible says.
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RobHom
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Oh, really…and your source and basis for that statement would be?
This source says you are quite wrong…
landreform.org/boff2.htm
Yes, there were “Catholics” involved…gee, imagine that…on a Continent with as many Catholics as there are there…
But if you take the time to read the article… you will find that “Protestants” were equally involved…and very much so.Why does "protestantism attract such fringe people?Why does catholicism attract such fringe people??
The Catholic Church has never embraced “Liberation Theology” or “Marxism”…and to imply that is just…well, sad and wrong. Perhaps you would like to bone up on the subject? Here is a rather concise set of notes courtesy of then “Cardinal Ratzinger” on the subject: christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm and newadvent.org/library/docs_df84lt.htm
Perhaps actually understanding the dynamics of the subject might help…before one leaps off the high cliff of self wrought conclusions…
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Jerusha
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Remember that Fascists regard social justice as being a Communist (Marxist) invention, rather than as an essential aspect of Christianity.
If I remember it right, part of Marx’s theory was derived from an idealized perception of how American Indians lived precontact.
Perhaps this would help some understand some of that hakesher.org/Frankovic26.htm Not what I went looking for-- but–
If I remember it right, part of Marx’s theory was derived from an idealized perception of how American Indians lived precontact.
Perhaps this would help some understand some of that hakesher.org/Frankovic26.htm Not what I went looking for-- but–
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RobHom
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Thanks for the good laugh!!!
Truth is…they had an ideology that many did not embrace, and were extremely fearful of. Stalin, Berea, and his cohorts slaughtered more than 20,000,000 people over the course of the communist regime… The only people that “embraced it” were those in power and those that benefited from whatever social benefits they garnered. Here is a little bit of history thats interesting: johndclare.net/Russ14.htm
The USSR had a 100% false economy built on a worthless currency…and was a completely “socialistic” state that owned the businesses and controlled all costs and wages. They had stores with nothing in them…unless you were at the top of the heap and had $$ to shop in special stores… Hey, whats not to like??
Yes, they embraced a capitalist economy after the “fall of communism”…but they are in a learning curve, and they haven’t quite figured it out. Their mentality hasn’t adapted to the change, and the Nationalistic xenophobes like Putin rear their head every once in a while…and they haven’t gotten a grip on the concept of “law and order”…
If it was such a great system… why did some many fight even to the point of losing their lives to escape? Why have so many come to the US?
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RC_Matt
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Dude, the origin of the book of Mormon is not the topic of this tread; and I don’t think you really want to go there or you might hear some material that is not (LDS) faith promoting. You are, of course, welcome to start a thread on that topic if you so desire.
Based on our exchange earlier, I was under the impression you came here to learn something as opposed to doing the “cyber missionary” thing. If you want to do missionary work, this is the wrong (way wrong) place for it. If you want to learn something about basic Christianity or Catholicism, and ask civil questions, they will be answered civilly and you might learn something. Nobody says you have to agree with anything we profess as Christians. Keep in mind that this is a Catholic board and if you’ve come here to proselytize you’re just wasting your time and ours.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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the belief in the multiplicity of gods. that god was once a man. that god has a wife as is producing little spirit babies to be born here on earth. that Satan and Jesus are brothers. shall I go on.
then you can not how can you say that you believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church and say that you are also Mormon when they do not believe this
remember J smith stated that the church went into apostasy it that is true then the catholic church is an apostate and the credo is not valid for catholic . one is true and one is false the only other oppstion is they are both false , but both can not be true
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RebeccaJ
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You are only succeeding because you keep your heretical ideas to yourself. You seem to have convinced yourself that all the Catholics in the world are not as enlightened as yourself. And by your comments, you believe the same about Mormons.
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majick275
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which chick comics are you getting your history from?Did you forget that liberation theology with its embrace of Marxism came from catholic priests and bishops in latin america?
Why does catholicism attract such fringe people??
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