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Ahimsa
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King Follet Sermon is one of the best sermons of the 19th-century. Good job, Mr. Smith!
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AMDGtoo
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Just a clarification, are you speaking of the “feeling”? If so, don’t you know that “feelings” can deceive? Also, if that is what you are speaking about, perhaps you should know that just “feelings” are not our criteria. Faith coupled with reason is, so we aren’t even speaking in a way we can understand each other.
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ronald_g_w
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I also know LDS that I am ashamed to call LDS, but we still LOVE them, whowever that is not the point. There is not a single LDS doctrine that you can prove without any dought that it does not come from God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Therefore you have absolutly no right to claim that LDS are not Christian and follow pagan ideas (do not put limitations on the gospel of Jesus Christ as it is bigger than us all)
What defines a Christian?
He who professes that Jesus is the Christ
He who strives with all his might to live by every word of Christ
He who strives not to defile the temple of God
He who seeks out the widow etc etc etc
Therefore LDS are as much Christian as any other
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Please explain how you understand “know them by their fruits”
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Catholic_Dude
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Um, did you read the very first post of this thread? :juggle:
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ronald_g_w
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You cannot disprove the truth of the first post whether it is sound doctrine from the Father or not, therefore you have to give those of us who believe this to be fact the benifit of the dought and thus accept that we are Christian
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1holycatholic
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LDS do not have have valid baptism and accordingly are not Christian.
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why_me
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I guess we all have to wait and see what christ says about it. I think that many people (such as many catholics on this board) will get a surprise upon death.
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twopekinguys
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So is that why you claim to be both Catholic and mormon? Trying to cover yourself either way?I guess we all have to wait and see what christ says about it. I think that many people (such as many catholics on this board) will get a surprise upon death.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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Jesus is the Truth.
If the “Spirit” leading LDS is not true, then it is not the Spirit of Jesus.
So my answer is the Spirit of Truth.
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CHESTERTONRULES
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Do they lie?
Do they commit adultery with multiple women, including the wives of other men?
Do they fabricate stories about false relics in order to build their reputation?
Do they slander Christianity?
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AMDGtoo
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Not really. God has already founded His Church (way back in history–not in 1830) and promised to be with it until the end of time. I know I’m not saying that LDS can’t be saved, I’m just saying that the LDS are not Christian in that they hold pagan beliefs–polytheism, God only “organized” the universe (but didn’t create it), the necessity of “secret handshakes and all” in order to be saved a la the pagan Gnostics. And I believe polygamy was the usual practice among the pagan nations back in ancient times and the LDS not only practiced that until the 20th century, but still have the practice enshrined in their books and expect to practice it again in death. Christian? Don’t think so. Jesus uplifted women–He did not beat them down. And He certainly did not leave men to their “trouser devils”.I think that many people (such as many catholics on this board) will get a surprise upon death.
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ronald_g_w
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I Know of no lie only the fabricated ones by those who feel threatened.
No one has the full story and were not there so no one is in any real possion to make judgement, so I would be slow to shout adultery, to be sealed to one, does not constitute adultery
Why did those who claim this not go to the facsimile that is in open display long ago and make their claim?
I know of no slander, what I do know is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored in its fulness by he who was called and set appart to do so.
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ronald_g_w
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Who then has valid baptism ??
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CHESTERTONRULES
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AMDGtoo
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To CHESTERTONRULES question about the practice of adultery, you wrote:
Darn “trouser devil” had JS busy with a number of women and the relationships weren’t just “spiritual”. (It can all be verified.) However, I think Brigham Young far outstrips JS. (A news report the other year reported that he had around fifty women in his harem.)
May I suggest that you read Todd Compton’s book, In Sacred Loneliness. (Don’t worry, Todd Compton is LDS so you shouldn’t be accused of reading “anti” literature.) However, you can probably get a lot of information using LDS genealogy sites concerning Joseph Smith Jr. and then doing some historical research about those women that were “sealed” to him–many were just young teens and some were other men’s wives while he was married to Emma. (In fact, she caught him in the act with the servant girl and that’s why JS wrote in the Doctrines and Covenants that unless she accepts it, “Emma will be destroyed”.
Darn “trouser devil” had JS busy with a number of women and the relationships weren’t just “spiritual”. (It can all be verified.) However, I think Brigham Young far outstrips JS. (A news report the other year reported that he had around fifty women in his harem.)
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StevieD
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I don’t know whether this has been mentioned earlier in this thread but the King Follett Discourse directly contradicts the Book of Mormon. In the BoM it is asserted that, “…God is not a partial God neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity” (Moroni 8:18) and again that “For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles” (Mormon 9:9-10).
Mormons are then left with only 2 possibilities: 1 is that the BoM contains untruths and therefore it and its source is untrustworthy OR 2 that Joseph Smith lied in the KF Discourse. In either case, his claim to be a prophet is destroyed. It is also interesting that modern linguistic experts assert that the BoM was not written by many different ancient hands but by 3 people, Solomon Spaulding, Sidney Rigdon and Oliver Cowdrey.
Mormons are then left with only 2 possibilities: 1 is that the BoM contains untruths and therefore it and its source is untrustworthy OR 2 that Joseph Smith lied in the KF Discourse. In either case, his claim to be a prophet is destroyed. It is also interesting that modern linguistic experts assert that the BoM was not written by many different ancient hands but by 3 people, Solomon Spaulding, Sidney Rigdon and Oliver Cowdrey.
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1holycatholic
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Anyone with the proper matter, form and intent.
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nancy_dalrymple
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WOW! is right, while reading it all I could think off was boy the devil is sure speaking to him,
Just a short note that if you think that is bad look up in the book of mormon doctrines and covenants section 132 mabe you can get it on line.It will realy tell you what a wacko Smith was
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hamspam
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This tells me that LDS is not very different from other cults like scientology that tell people that they too can become like God. Wow…sounds like a character in Genesis that slithered around a bit…you know, Satan!
I guess people are still falling for this lie.
There is one God and it is not me…and it certainly isn’t Smith either!
Let us pray that no more people fall prey to this lie that capitalizes on our sinful pride.
I guess people are still falling for this lie.
There is one God and it is not me…and it certainly isn’t Smith either!
Let us pray that no more people fall prey to this lie that capitalizes on our sinful pride.
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