LDS Marriage

[zaffiroborant]

The husband you describe is unrighteous. He made sacred covenants in the temple, but did not keep them. He will NOT be exalted and won’t get the kids. (This does not mean he and the kids won’t have contact in the afterlife.) She knows that unrighteous individuals will not be exalted because God will NOT be mocked. (Galatians 6:7)

As I stated before there is a process for remarriage.

Her fate is Eternal Life since she is a righteous woman. I hope this helps…

And still nothing about the scenario I describe with no abuse, and people who love each other fully.

 

[zaffiroborant]

When you say “layered system”, are you referring to the multiple heavens referred to in the Bible and LDS scripture?

The Catholic Church does not teach that there are “multiple heavens” and this is perfectly keeping with different rewards, individualized rewards not huge lump category of award winners.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

If the LDS teach one has to be married to be exulted how do they deal with Jesus’ resurrection to eternal glory? Was his not the first ‘exhultation’? He was exulted without being married and previous LDS here have said that once the resurrection occurs marriage will be impossible. It seems therefore then that Jesus will remain unmarried forever and yet is perfect. Seems that the Mormon is forced to admit marriages can take place after the resurrection in which case the possibility of exultation exists for all time. Also the Mormon is forced to acknowledge in Jesus that marriage is not necessary to be exulted.

 

[Horton]

If the LDS teach one has to be married to be exulted how do they deal with Jesus’ resurrection to eternal glory? Was his not the first ‘exhultation’? He was exulted without being married and previous LDS here have said that once the resurrection occurs marriage will be impossible. It seems therefore then that Jesus will remain unmarried forever and yet is perfect. Seems that the Mormon is forced to admit marriages can take place after the resurrection in which case the possibility of exultation exists for all time. Also the Mormon is forced to acknowledge in Jesus that marriage is not necessary to be exulted.

Exactly! According to their own teaching a man MUST be married to receive godhood. Jesus Christ was never married nor had children so according to their own belief Jesus Christ can NOT be exalted.

 

[Horton]

The children must also choose who to be sealed to.

In real life, this life, I know adult children who have chosen to be sealed to their step-parent, because of the mere fact the step-parent are active LDS and their own parent is not.

Ok - Now I have more questions about this sealing thing. So sealing can be undone, changed? If one leaves the LDS is all the sealing of that person just undone? Adult children can be unsealed to a non active LDS in order to be sealed to a more active step parent? What happens when those adult children get married and sealed to their spouse? Does that unseal the seal with their parent(s)?

If sealing can be changed, undone, unsealed, they what exactly is the point of sealing?

What does this look like in reality. Who is sealed to who when they get to whatever place they are going. If a man & woman marry and are sealed, and they have children sealed to them, what happens when those children grow up, get married and sealed to their spouse and have children sealed to them. And when those children grow up get married/sealed and have children. After the millennium who are these people all sealed to? How does this exactly play out?

Why hasn’t any LDS poster here even tried to answer these questions?

 

[jane_doe]

What happens when those adult children get married and sealed to their spouse? Does that unseal the seal with their parent(s)?

Sealings are chains: you are sealed to your parents (the previous gen.), your spouse (the current gen.), and your children (the next gen.).

 

[Truth_Faith13]

I agree that the scenarios given do make it seem like the LDS view of the afterlife is confusing. However from someone who is currently neither Catholic nor LDS, I can see issues on both sides.

What of a Catholic woman married to an abusive Catholic husband in a sacramental marriage and is refused an annulment? If she leaves and gains a civil divorce but then remarries, the CC view her has being in mortal sin and destined for Hell?

My husband is atheist so if I was to be LDS I can’t be sealed in this life but there is hope for the afterlife. However if I was to be Catholic, we will probably be separated anyway as he would be supposedly going to hell.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Sealings are chains: you are sealed to your parents (the previous gen.), your spouse (the current gen.), and your children (the next gen.).

So in an ideal LDS world where everyone is LDS, everyone is together in the celestial kingdom?

 

[RebeccaJ]

I agree that the scenarios given do make it seem like the LDS view of the afterlife is confusing. However from someone who is currently neither Catholic nor LDS, I can see issues on both sides.

What of a Catholic woman married to an abusive Catholic husband in a sacramental marriage and is refused an annulment? If she leaves and gains a civil divorce but then remarries, the CC view her has being in mortal sin and destined for Hell?

My husband is atheist so if I was to be LDS I can’t be sealed in this life but there is hope for the afterlife. However if I was to be Catholic, we will probably be separated anyway as he would be supposedly going to hell.

Why would she be refused an annulment?

No one here can judge your husband and it is not Church teaching that non-Catholics go to hell.

 

[jane_doe]

So in an ideal LDS world where everyone is LDS, everyone is together in the celestial kingdom?

Correct.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Why would she be refused an annulment?

No one here can judge your husband and it is not Church teaching that non-Catholics go to hell.

Don’t know, I’m assuming because a valid sacramental marriage can’t be dissolved without evidence that it’s not valid in the first place. I have seen stories of annulments being refused though

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Correct.

How does the children still being able to see a non LDS parent in the afterlife work? The missionaries mission leader mentioned being able to visit but what’s the point of the degrees of glory?

 

[jane_doe]

How does the children still being able to see a non LDS parent in the afterlife work? The missionaries mission leader mentioned being able to visit but what’s the point of the degrees of glory?

By “non-LDS parent” I’m gong it go with “non-LDS parent ever ever”. Yeah you can visit.

The missionaries mission leader mentioned being able to visit but what’s the point of the degrees of glory?

A person may always visit someone who walks a less Christ-like life (whether today or that afterlife). We can keep a sinner company in their abode. But ultimately an unrepentant sinner may not walk in the a more holy abode of God.

Did that make sense?

 

[Truth_Faith13]

By “non-LDS parent” I’m gong it go with “non-LDS parent ever ever”. Yeah you can visit.

A person may always visit someone who walks a less Christ-like life (whether today or that afterlife). We can keep a sinner company in their abode. But ultimately an unrepentant sinner may not walk in the a more holy abode of God.

Did that make sense?

Yes, thank-you!

 

[Horton]

Sealings are chains: you are sealed to your parents (the previous gen.), your spouse (the current gen.), and your children (the next gen.).

But the LDS teach EACH man is capable of gaining his OWN kingdom. So according to this the only kingdoms are those of the very first generation of men in the LDS as all their descendants are in those first LDS men’s kingdom?

A woman is sealed to her father and a man is sealed his father, they marry and are sealed to each other. Which previous generation do they belong to?

 

[Horton]

So in an ideal LDS world where everyone is LDS, everyone is together in the celestial kingdom?

Why would she be refused an annulment?

No one here can judge your husband and it is not Church teaching that non-Catholics go to hell.

How does the children still being able to see a non LDS parent in the afterlife work? The missionaries mission leader mentioned being able to visit but what’s the point of the degrees of glory?

By “non-LDS parent” I’m gong it go with “non-LDS parent ever ever”. Yeah you can visit.

A person may always visit someone who walks a less Christ-like life (whether today or that afterlife). We can keep a sinner company in their abode. But ultimately an unrepentant sinner may not walk in the a more holy abode of God.

Did that make sense?

Truth_Faith13 - Why in the world would you want to jump through all these hoops, play the games, assume, and generally rely on the LDS to tell you what you can & can’t do, when all you have to do as a Christian is accept all the graces God gives you freely, praise & worship Him, give your life over to God? God wants our love and attention even in his glorious kingdom. I love my family, those gone before and those still one earth. I pray I will see them in heaven, but more than anything I will see Jesus Christ, I will be with God and nothing is better than that.

Our earthly lives are only for this life, not our eternal life with God. Heaven is not going to anything about me or my earthly wants or “needs”. It will be about God and Him alone, the blessed Trinity. Nothing in my earthly life will matter, absolutely nothing, I will be in arms of our Lord. How in the world can we possibly ask for more when God has given us everything?

Trust God only, not a man made idea of God and their interpretation of God wants of us. Read the New Testament without the LDS filter, by that I mean read it alone and ask a Catholic source what it means if you struggle with parts of it. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in reading it with an open mind & heart. Call the your parish and ask if you can make an appointment with the priest or a deacon to discuss questions you may have. Ask if they can help you find a mentor or sponsor to talk to occasionally.

You mentioned you attended Catholic school. Were you baptized a Catholic?

 

[gazelam]

by that I mean read it alone and ask a Catholic source what it means if you struggle with parts of it. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in reading it with an open mind & heart. Call the your parish and ask if you can make an appointment with the priest or a deacon to discuss questions you may have. Ask if they can help you find a mentor or sponsor to talk to occasionally.

How is this not proselytizing?

 

[Horton]

How is this not proselytizing?

I’m giving the poster options in learning about the Catholic faith. My fear is she may be getting answers from LDS sources on Catholic theology and I’m asking her to use Catholic sources for questions on Catholicism. So no, it’s not proselytizing.

 

[Stephen168]

Our earthly lives are only for this life, not our eternal life with God. Heaven is not going to anything about me or my earthly wants or “needs”. It will be about God and Him alone, the blessed Trinity. Nothing in my earthly life will matter, absolutely nothing, I will be in arms of our Lord. How in the world can we possibly ask for more when God has given us everything?

Yes, that is the Gospel; the Good News; the Beatific Vision. And it is up to us individually, and God’s grace.

 

[LivingWaters7]

When you say “layered system”, are you referring to the multiple heavens referred to in the Bible and LDS scripture?

The Mormon idea of there being different levels of Heaven where only certain members of the Godhead visit certain levels/people is found nowhere in the Bible.

Catholics believe that there is one Heaven, however our experiences of Heaven are not all the same, and that God rewards us individually. For Catholics, being outside of the eternal presence of God, even one member of the Trinity, would not be Heaven at all.