LDS Marriage

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jane_doe said:
You’ve learned a lot! Good job!

In the next life, before Final Judgement.
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Thanks 🙂

So they are actually performed in the next Life (before final judgement) or by proxy from people in this life? I’m sure someone told me they only perform proxy sealings for those who were already married in this life?
 
zaffiroborant said:
I guess being LDS helps in that.
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In what way? Are you saying they changed the teaching? It has almost been 10years since I joined and 5 since I officially left though I was never really active in the first place
 
Truth_Faith13 said:
Women are not assigned men…at least I haven’t found any documented evidence for this or was ever taught it when I was LDS.
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It’s a teaching rooted in polygamy and the teachings of Brigham Young. The teaching being, that if a man is not worthy to become a god then his wives would be given to a worthy man.

Young viewed the OT accounts of righteous conquers taking, or being given, the wives of conquered leaders, as spoils of war, as the model for the millennium.

These teachings hung around for over 100 years, as doctrine, until relatively recently, and are now relegated to the Mormon opinion pile.
 
RebeccaJ said:
It’s a teaching rooted in polygamy and the teachings of Brigham Young. The teaching being, that if a man is not worthy to become a god then his wives would be given to a worthy man.
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In other words, if a man chooses not to honor his marriage covenants and not follow Christ (even with repentance and ample opportunity) then she has the to choose to opportunity to be with someone who does walk with Christ.

What’s so horrible about this? Where’s the supposed lack of agency?
 
jane_doe said:
In other words, if a man chooses not to honor his marriage covenants and not follow Christ (even with repentance and ample opportunity) then she has the to choose to opportunity to be with someone who does walk with Christ.

What’s so horrible about this? Where’s the supposed lack of agency?
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🤷 Women as chattel has never appealed to me.

It also highlights the problem that has already been discussed. That is, a couple happily married for years are indeed, not a forever family. There’s going to be a great (ginormous) shuffle of dissolved marriages, remarried people, and newly married.
 
RebeccaJ said:
🤷 Women as chattel has never appealed to me.
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Heh, to each person their own view. I see this as being very honoring of women, vs forcing them stay with someone who does not honor their marital covenants.
 
jane_doe said:
Heh, to each person their own view. I see this as being very honoring of women, vs forcing them stay with someone who does not honor their marital covenants.
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Ah, the conditional love of Mormons. So much for families are forever.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Ah, the conditional love of Mormons. So much for families are forever.
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It’s not just a matter of love, but more importantly a matter of someone breaking their vow with God unrepentantly and unyielding. Such is VERY serious, and it’s not just LDS who view it that way.
 
jane_doe said:
It’s not just a matter of love, but more importantly a matter of someone breaking their vow with God unrepentantly and unyielding. Such is VERY serious, and it’s not just LDS who view it that way.
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We were discussing your view of marital love and how a wife will easily and readily run to another man when her so-called love of her life, fails to become the god she hoped for. God has nothing to do with that.

If you are implying this is similar or the same to Catholic teaching, sorry, no. I am a Catholic convert whose husband did not convert. I believe the NT teaching that a person in such a marriage, the unbelieving spouse is sanctified by the believing spouse. My marriage has nothing to do with my eternal place in heaven, with God. I don’t need to run to another man, in order to be with God.

My eternal life is dependent on one Man alone, Jesus Christ. There is no other means, or man, to eternal life.
 
jane_doe said:
It’s not just a matter of love, but more importantly a matter of someone breaking their vow with God unrepentantly and unyielding. Such is VERY serious, and it’s not just LDS who view it that way.
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Christians don’t believe in marriage in heaven.
 
RebeccaJ said:
We were discussing your view of marital love and how a wife will easily and readily run to another man when her so-called love of her life, fails to become the god she hoped for.
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What the???
No. I was no discussing any of that, and don’t know where you’re getting any of this. If you wish to make that claim, please provide post numbers where I said any of that.
 
jane_doe said:
What the???
No. I was no discussing any of that, and don’t know where you’re getting any of this. If you wish to make that claim, please provide post numbers where I said any of that.
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jane_doe said:
Heh, to each person their own view. I see this as being very honoring of women, vs forcing them stay with someone who does not honor their marital covenants.
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jane_doe said:
It’s not just a matter of love, but more importantly a matter of someone breaking their vow with God unrepentantly and unyielding. Such is VERY serious, and it’s not just LDS who view it that way.
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Love, BTW, is the greatest commandment. So yes, it is just about love. I don’t need to leave thei love of my life in order to live with God in heaven. No on does.
 
RebeccaJ said:
We were discussing your view of marital love and how a wife will easily and readily run to another man when her so-called love of her life, fails to become the god she hoped for.
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None of the quotes you provided says any of this junk.

I’m talking about honoring one’s vows with God- a very serious thing in LDS eyes and other faiths. You’re talking about random stuff which sounds like pointless high school drama. Sorry, Rebecca, but I’m not 16 and don’t have any interest in such conversation.
 
jane_doe said:
None of the quotes you provided says any of this junk.

I’m talking about honoring one’s vows with God- a very serious thing in LDS eyes and other faiths. You’re talking about random stuff which sounds like pointless high school drama. Sorry, Rebecca, but I’m not 16 and don’t have any interest in such conversation.
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Gosh, it is the height of juvenile to believe a woman is dependent on a man for her eternal joy.

I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

A) the Mormon goal is godhood
B) When a man fails to achieve this goal, the wife, who he loves, and supposedly she loved him in return, runs to another man so she can achieve her goal.
 
jane_doe said:
No…
Anyway, I’m guessing that this is a old sore spot for you, so I’ll just let it be.
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True, I think it is very degrading of love, marriage and women, and have thought so since those YW lessons that sought to train me to be the perfect survile wife to the dorky boys playing basketball in the gym. 😃
 
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