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jediliz
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If Mormons were really Christians they would NEVER make an exception for RAPE or Incest Or “severe deformity”. All children are a blessing, regardless of the circumstances of their conception.
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Loginus
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Umm it can happen to the majority of woman esp. if a group of women are in close contact for a regularly as their menstrual cycles will sync. This is why statistically Family planning is so ineffective in the long run. As for other forms of BC, I fail to see how a womans menstrul cycle can effect a condom or a BC pill (as stop the cycle or at least prolong it as long as u wish)You are sadly mistaken…while all of those things can effect a womans cycles (this does not occur with all woman) and perhaps you need to find another method of NFP as there are many out there to use
Also as a side note…BC can also be effected by these things
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Karin
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can you provide stats on this (what I bolded)?
I think you are incorrect on that assumption.
B.C. Pill, Condoms, and NFP all show success rates IF USED PROPERLY of 99.9% or there abouts.
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Karin
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[SIGN]AMEN!!![/SIGN]
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Pug
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This line of reasoning makes me uncomfortable. Too often I’ve been told I’m not Christian because I’m Catholic, so I’d rather not deny the word Christian to so many Protestants out there.
True, a Mormon is not a Protestant, but your line of reasoning surely applies to many Protestants.
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Loginus
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Hmm according to guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html Family Planning has a 25% failure rate in all its forms
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Karin
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hmmm and my sources say the following…
NFP: Various Methods
The Los Angeles Study
100% Method Effectiveness
The Fairfield Study
99% Method Effectiveness
The Roetzer Studies
**99% and 100% Method Effectiveness
**The Vincent Study
99% Method Effectiveness
The Doring Temperature-Only Study
**99% and 100% Method Effectiveness
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**reported the range of the method-effectiveness to avoid pregnancy at the 12th ordinal month to be 98.7 to 99.8 **
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christianley
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Even many conservative Protestants make an exception for rape, incest and the life of the mother. I would rather accept all of these exceptions and reduce the overall rate of abortion. The recent anti-abortion measure in South Dakota lost because it was too restrictive. Polls showed that 56% of the electorate would have supported it if exceptions had been made for rape and incest. That would have saved over 90% of the abortions in South Dakota from being performed, but now there is absolutely no protection for any unborn babies because the pro-life people went for too much. While I agree that all abortion is wrong, it is better to make a few steps in the right direction rather than to fail completely.
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Loginus
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Thats nice, esp. as your first link’s studies are over 30-40yrs old. As for the second link, it only mentions perfect-use. Avg use (as shown by my link) is 25% failure rate. Avg use failure rate for condems is only .8%
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Eden
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You don’t seem to understand what NFP is. It sounds like you are describing the rhythm method. But NFP depends on physical signs that indicate when a woman is nearing ovulation. I think you need to read about NFP before commenting on its supposed failure rates.
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Allweather
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There’s a cultural aspect to Catholicism, as with Judaism, that is apart from specific religious piety. So, a person raised Catholic is very likely to identify himself as Catholic, even if he practices no religion at all. I think most of us would agree that a person is not Catholic by virtue of having had Catholic parents. This is one reason I doubt the accuracy of studies which suggest certain levels of this or that among Catholics. I seriously doubt that practicing Catholics, real, Rosary-praying, bible-reading, Mass- and confession-going Catholics are having abortions at the rates of practicing Mormons, given the wishy-washiness of Mormon teaching on abortion, compared to the uncompromising teaching given us by the RC Church.
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Eden
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Needless to say, this thread is about Mormons allowing abortion. The contrast in theologies between Catholicism and Mormons is clear. As is consistent with Christianity for 2,000 years, Catholic theology does not allow for abortion under any circumstances. Mormons do allow for abortion if a child is not wanted and/or was conceived under tragic circumstances. We are talking about the theology of the two, not the practice rates. Sinners do not have the authority to decide what is sinful. Abortion is an offense against God under all circumstances, whether it is committed by a Catholic or a Mormon.
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christianley
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On that I agree. People who are actually practicing Catholicism (and that’s not just a matter of attending mass on Sundays) are unlikely to practice abortion or birth control for that matter. Unfortunately, the ones who just attend mass on Sunday and then go vote pro-choice seem to be in the majority.
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perez639
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It really is a sad thing as you have noted Christianley. Catholics are no longer one. Only a small minority are the real Catholics. The rest just confuse everybody. U got the pro-choice Catholics and the pro-life Catholics. Anyone have some statistics on this?
Just the same tho, i would never give up on being Roman Cathoilc.
Peace be with you all,
Regis University Student
Just the same tho, i would never give up on being Roman Cathoilc.
Peace be with you all,
Regis University Student
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jediliz
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I didn’t mean to offend anyone - its just that I KNOW that Mormons don’t follow mainstream christian beliefs (the Holy Trinity) and making an exception for RAPE when they say they believe in GOD…well, if you’ve seen the Nativity Story trailer, you can see the reaction to Mary’s pregnancy just after she conceived Jesus. She was accused of breaking a vow and Joseph was going to divorce her quietly…he didn’t want the scandal. It took an Angel telling him in a dream to not be afraid…that this child is special.
He was not the father, yet he cared for Jesus as if he were his own son.
Why can’t a child conceived by Rape be special? Maybe the next child conceived by Rape will be the doctor to cure AIDS or find a cure for Diabetes!
My point is that Mormons need to change their position on Abortion if they are going to be followers of Christ.
He was not the father, yet he cared for Jesus as if he were his own son.
Why can’t a child conceived by Rape be special? Maybe the next child conceived by Rape will be the doctor to cure AIDS or find a cure for Diabetes!
My point is that Mormons need to change their position on Abortion if they are going to be followers of Christ.
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Karin
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They keep telling themselves that they are followers of Christ they also try to get us to believe that they follow Christ…but this is just another thing that shows that they really follow someone or something else!
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PaulDupre
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You are apparently thinking of the old “rhythm method”, which indeed does not work unless the periods are exactly on time.Or any stress. Its only 100% effective if a womans menstrul cycle remains constant. Except all sorts of things may change it
ie. Stress, pills, excitement, living around other woman or being around the same women frequently, illness, and swooning over another man.
So unless you want to lock your lady friend in your basement for the rest of her life and never excite her, then you should have no problem
NFP is not the rhythm method, nor anythink like it. It does not depend on timing a woman’s menstrual cycle.
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Pug
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If only more fathers were like St. Joseph! If only more men would step up to the plate for the children!
No offense at all, jediliz.
It is not good to teach the rape exception. They ought to stop teaching that.
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st_lucy
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I totally agree!
Abortion because of Rape is the lamest excuse there is. Why should someone murder someone because someone else hurt them.
It would be the equivalent of a wife killing her child because her husband cheated on her.
There is no excuse for murder. Especially the murder of an innocent child.
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Megatron
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Another issue to consider is this: If the LDS Church claims to be a restoration of true Chrisitian religion both from the standpoint of orthodoxy, orthopraxy and priesthood, we should expect to find mention (at least to some extent) of their doctrinal approach to abortion in the writings of the partristic fathers of the Chrisitian Church. This is obviously not the case as evidenced by the following link:
catholic.com/library/Abortion.asp
The first quote from the link (from the Didache) is dated around 70 AD. It’s difficult to say that any sort of massive apostacy had poisoned the ranks of Christianity at this point.
As a cradle Catholic who joined the LDS church in his early 20s and who has since retruned to the truth and beauty of the Catholic Church, the LDS stance on abortion was one of the key factors that led to my “reversion” to Jesus Christ.
catholic.com/library/Abortion.asp
The first quote from the link (from the Didache) is dated around 70 AD. It’s difficult to say that any sort of massive apostacy had poisoned the ranks of Christianity at this point.
As a cradle Catholic who joined the LDS church in his early 20s and who has since retruned to the truth and beauty of the Catholic Church, the LDS stance on abortion was one of the key factors that led to my “reversion” to Jesus Christ.
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