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ok…you have no good, logical responses to:
  1. The plethora of failed prophesies…
  2. Why Cumorah is not excavated
  3. The total lack of scientific and archeological proof to anything in the B of M
  4. The who polygamy fiasco and law-breaking
  5. The multitude of first vision versions
  6. The constant overruling of past “prophets”
Is there ANYTHING other than an alleged burning in the bosom to make anyone want to be LDS?
 
ok…you have no good, logical responses to:
  1. The plethora of failed prophesies…
  2. Why Cumorah is not excavated
  3. The total lack of scientific and archeological proof to anything in the B of M
  4. The who polygamy fiasco and law-breaking
  5. The multitude of first vision versions
  6. The constant overruling of past “prophets”
Is there ANYTHING other than an alleged burning in the bosom to make anyone want to be LDS?
Well this is what a mormon told me when they gave me the Book of Mormon: You need to ask God for wisdom to understand it and reveal the truth to you.

I have tried to read their Scriptures including the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrines and Covenants but, no offense, it is merely rubbish trying to write in a KJV style language.
 
Honestly, I hope this thread gets closed right off the bat. It’s biased and aggressive towards a faith, and most of the logic you’re using to argue against that church can just as easily be used against Catholicism or whatever sect of Christianity you happen to be. Don’t be so naive.
 
ok…you have no good, logical responses to:
  1. The plethora of failed prophesies…
  2. Why Cumorah is not excavated
  3. The total lack of scientific and archeological proof to anything in the B of M
  4. The who polygamy fiasco and law-breaking
  5. The multitude of first vision versions
  6. The constant overruling of past “prophets”
Is there ANYTHING other than an alleged burning in the bosom to make anyone want to be LDS?
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Honestly, I hope this thread gets closed right off the bat. It’s biased and aggressive towards a faith, and most of the logic you’re using to argue against that church can just as easily be used against Catholicism or whatever sect of Christianity you happen to be. Don’t be so naive.
So it can be used against the CC huh? Can you give us some examples then? And there is nothing aggressive against the lds church, he is just asking for proof.
 
Did they show you an exact verse to read like they did me numerous times? :rolleyes:
Let me see…Moroni 10:4-5

I had to pull out my leather bound Book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price that I bought at a used bookstore. This is the only verse I have marked in the whole thing! I plan on trying to read through this thing one day.
 
Let me see…Moroni 10:4-5

I had to pull out my leather bound Book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price that I bought at a used bookstore. This is the only verse I have marked in the whole thing! I plan on trying to read through this thing one day.
I wouldnt waste your time doing such. I see your in RCIA which is good, may God bless you on your journey. I would be reading on the ECF’s and other Catholic books to help you along your way. None of what you would read in the mormon books is true. As Texan and quite a few us here would know, we were once lds.
 
Mormonism is a sect, plain and simple. Listen to that false prophet Glenn Beck and his two-man Amen Chorus sometime to get the flavor of their apocalyptic “theology” and full-blown Americanism. He left the one true Church for the LDS and might best be charitably described as … off the wall.
 
Honestly, I hope this thread gets closed right off the bat. It’s biased and aggressive towards a faith, and most of the logic you’re using to argue against that church can just as easily be used against Catholicism or whatever sect of Christianity you happen to be. Don’t be so naive.
lol…really? like what?

thanks for the chuckle
 
I wouldnt waste your time doing such. I see your in RCIA which is good, may God bless you on your journey. I would be reading on the ECF’s and other Catholic books to help you along your way. None of what you would read in the mormon books is true. As Texan and quite a few us here would know, we were once lds.
Thats for sure. I was a strong Protestant before I converted to the Catholic Church and now I see myself as a strong Catholic. I know that Mormonism isn’t teaching truth whatsoever for they have no proof at all.

Blessings!
 
Thats for sure. I was a strong Protestant before I converted to the Catholic Church and now I see myself as a strong Catholic. I know that Mormonism isn’t teaching truth whatsoever for they have no proof at all.

Blessings!
Congrats…I, too, am a convert,its great, isn’t it?
 
Many are drawn to the LDS church for it’s focus on family values and clean living (WoW). My own coming from a family with severe alcoholism, the WoW was a BIG BIG draw.

Mormonism is a lifestyle, not just a Sunday thing (for many Catholics, being Catholic is a Sunday thing; for others, a Christmas/Easter thing, not to mention most Catholics are not really big in reading the scriptures) Young converts are often the result of being in love with someone who is LDS and the idea of being “sealed for all time and eternity” is very very appealing/romantic for someone very much in love, as oppose to the “til death do you part”…

Not giving a defense of Mormonism, but pointing out some of it’s appeal to why people convert… 🤷
 
Many are drawn to the LDS church for it’s focus on family values and clean living (WoW). My own coming from a family with severe alcoholism, the WoW was a BIG BIG draw.

Mormonism is a lifestyle, not just a Sunday thing (for many Catholics, being Catholic is a Sunday thing; for others, a Christmas/Easter thing, not to mention most Catholics are not really big in reading the scriptures) Young converts are often the result of being in love with someone who is LDS and the idea of being “sealed for all time and eternity” is very very appealing/romantic for someone very much in love, as oppose to the “til death do you part”…

Not giving a defense of Mormonism, but pointing out some of it’s appeal to why people convert… 🤷
Thanks for sharing those points. 😃
 
Thanks for sharing those points. 😃
You are welcome.

There is a strong emotional appeal when it comes to Mormonism for those who are open to it’s teachings. It’s on the side of reason where Mormonism fails. 🤷
 
I’m not really looking to spark some intense debate. I’m just thinking of things like:

The Old Testament says god is unchanging and won’t change his mind, but then he creates the New Covenant…hmmmm.

Historical inaccuracies in the bible. But that’s a whole different argument in itself, lets just use the fact that Egypt seems to have no record of any type of exodus, let alone Jewish rulers, in their own historical records.

Mary was never predicted to be a virgin by the prophets who wrote the Old Testament, she was simply described as a “young woman” in the original language, I believe.

And, I’d also say the Jews have a pretty good argument for remaining Jews, considering Jesus didn’t really meet the exact criteria for being the messiah at the time.

Now, it’s very likely that basically everybody on this website will disagree with these statements, and I’m not looking for a big debate. I’m simply pointing out that a lot of religious history is up for interpretation and has different points of view, so there’s no point in being all high and mighty about how you’re better than Mormans, because there are many common arguments and debatable facts about Christianity as a whole. That’s not even counting the crusades and corrupt years the church had a few hundred years ago.

(Also, as a disclaimer, I basically agree that the Mormon faith is very shaky, I’m just argueing against OP’s attitude)
 
I’m not really looking to spark some intense debate. I’m just thinking of things like:

The Old Testament says god is unchanging and won’t change his mind, but then he creates the New Covenant…hmmmm.

Historical inaccuracies in the bible. But that’s a whole different argument in itself, lets just use the fact that Egypt seems to have no record of any type of exodus, let alone Jewish rulers, in their own historical records.

Mary was never predicted to be a virgin by the prophets who wrote the Old Testament, she was simply described as a “young woman” in the original language, I believe.

And, I’d also say the Jews have a pretty good argument for remaining Jews, considering Jesus didn’t really meet the exact criteria for being the messiah at the time.

Now, it’s very likely that basically everybody on this website will disagree with these statements, and I’m not looking for a big debate. I’m simply pointing out that a lot of religious history is up for interpretation and has different points of view, so there’s no point in being all high and mighty about how you’re better than Mormans, because there are many common arguments and debatable facts about Christianity as a whole. That’s not even counting the crusades and corrupt years the church had a few hundred years ago.

(Also, as a disclaimer, I basically agree that the Mormon faith is very shaky, I’m just argueing against OP’s attitude)
Doesn’t there have to be some sort of archaeological record to back up the basics of the Book of Mormon? If you can’t provide at least that how can you move onto the theological differences? In the Bible you have records of places, wars, people, and artifacts that prove the records.
 
Doesn’t there have to be some sort of archaeological record to back up the basics of the Book of Mormon? If you can’t provide at least that how can you move onto the theological differences? In the Bible you have records of places, wars, people, and artifacts that prove the records.
I agree. I agree with your opinion on Mormonism and its lack of evidence. But the bible, though it is based on history, is also lacking a decent amount of evidence and proof of certain claims. Although Catholicism has a much more solid foundation than Mormonism, it deals with the same general issues, is all I’m saying.
 
I’m not really looking to spark some intense debate. I’m just thinking of things like:

The Old Testament says god is unchanging and won’t change his mind, but then he creates the New Covenant…hmmmm.

Historical inaccuracies in the bible. But that’s a whole different argument in itself, lets just use the fact that Egypt seems to have no record of any type of exodus, let alone Jewish rulers, in their own historical records.

Mary was never predicted to be a virgin by the prophets who wrote the Old Testament, she was simply described as a “young woman” in the original language, I believe.

And, I’d also say the Jews have a pretty good argument for remaining Jews, considering Jesus didn’t really meet the exact criteria for being the messiah at the time.

Now, it’s very likely that basically everybody on this website will disagree with these statements, and I’m not looking for a big debate. I’m simply pointing out that a lot of religious history is up for interpretation and has different points of view, so there’s no point in being all high and mighty about how you’re better than Mormans, because there are many common arguments and debatable facts about Christianity as a whole. That’s not even counting the crusades and corrupt years the church had a few hundred years ago.

(Also, as a disclaimer, I basically agree that the Mormon faith is very shaky, I’m just argueing against OP’s attitude)
You do bring up valid comments. I know others will address it.
I will just say.
1)Its not about either faith OR reason. They actually go hand in hand
2)Bible is not a history book so inaccuracies are not troublesome to those who have been given the gift of faith and the ability to reason.

It’s fair to say I am a practising Catholic that doesn’t believe that everything that comes out of the Magisterium reflect spiritual realities. Reason it’s shows that human beings are very influenced by their own immaginations, opinions, egos, cultures yada yada yada.

But that also doesn’t mean I haven’t had the experience of being given the Gift of Faith. 😉

I know that won’t and doesn’t make much sense to you at this point in your journey, and that is ok. 🙂

Best wishes
 
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