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I agree. I agree with your opinion on Mormonism and its lack of evidence. But the bible, though it is based on history, is also lacking a decent amount of evidence and proof of certain claims. Although Catholicism has a much more solid foundation than Mormonism, it deals with the same general issues, is all I’m saying.
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I just come on this catholic website and dislike seeing people be so harsh against religion. Arguing is fine, I was just really turned off by the tone. Posts like that about catholism would probably be closed here anyway.
 
I’m not really looking to spark some intense debate. I’m just thinking of things like:

The Old Testament says god is unchanging and won’t change his mind, but then he creates the New Covenant…hmmmm.

The New Covenant fulfills His Promise…no changing of the mind

Historical inaccuracies in the bible. But that’s a whole different argument in itself, lets just use the fact that Egypt seems to have no record of any type of exodus, let alone Jewish rulers, in their own historical records.

Historical inaccuracies are a matter of record and who writes the record. That is a far cry from the complete lack of evidence of anything in the B of M Strike 2

Mary was never predicted to be a virgin by the prophets who wrote the Old Testament, she was simply described as a “young woman” in the original language, I believe.

So, if I predict overcast skies tomorrow, is my prediction wrong because it also rains? No. Strike 3

And, I’d also say the Jews have a pretty good argument for remaining Jews, considering Jesus didn’t really meet the exact criteria for being the messiah at the time.

Whose criteria? Jews or God’s? Strike 4

Now, it’s very likely that basically everybody on this website will disagree with these statements, and I’m not looking for a big debate. I’m simply pointing out that a lot of religious history is up for interpretation and has different points of view, so there’s no point in being all high and mighty about how you’re better than Mormans, because there are many common arguments and debatable facts about Christianity as a whole. That’s not even counting the crusades and corrupt years the church had a few hundred years ago.

Your point is not only incorrect, it is misplaced.

(Also, as a disclaimer, I basically agree that the Mormon faith is very shaky, I’m just argueing against OP’s attitude)

Attitude? We have had discussions on every one of the points I made. Since the Mormons failed on each point, I was curious what they based their faith on, apart from a burning in their bosom…
 
Doesn’t there have to be some sort of archaeological record to back up the basics of the Book of Mormon? If you can’t provide at least that how can you move onto the theological differences? In the Bible you have records of places, wars, people, and artifacts that prove the records.
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I agree. I agree with your opinion on Mormonism and its lack of evidence. But the bible, though it is based on history, is also lacking a decent amount of evidence and proof of certain claims. Although Catholicism has a much more solid foundation than Mormonism, it deals with the same general issues, is all I’m saying.
Which claims?
 
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I just come on this catholic website and dislike seeing people be so harsh against religion. Arguing is fine, I was just really turned off by the tone. Posts like that about catholism would probably be closed here anyway.
so, why does an atheist come to a religious site?
 
I’m not really looking to spark some intense debate. I’m just thinking of things like:

The Old Testament says god is unchanging and won’t change his mind, but then he creates the New Covenant…hmmmm.
Not quite. God does not change, he is Truth. However, his revelation on who he is to man has changed, revealing more about him over time, culminating with Jesus Christ. It is through Jesus that we can see the purpose of why we were created and where ultimately we are heading after our death.

Excellent book on the subject here.
 
(Also, as a disclaimer, I basically agree that the Mormon faith is very shaky, I’m just argueing against OP’s attitude)
Spanks, welcome to CAF.

Staying on topic, what’s your definition of “very shaky”?

The Catholics on this thread, of who, several are ex-Mormon, believe that the LDS Church teaches a false gospel, in clear contradiction to the that of Christianity and the Catholic faith.

The theory of non-contradiction holds that two things can not be true at the same time.

There can not exist one God (Christianity) and multiple Gods (LDS). One is true and one is false. Unless you believe in aethiesm, of which is not allowed to be discussed on CAF.
 
Mary was never predicted to be a virgin by the prophets who wrote the Old Testament, she was simply described as a “young woman” in the original language, I believe.
Spanks, here’s an OT quote that all of Christianity understands to be speaking about Mary.

Isaiah 7
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Some translations say “young woman” which is understood to mean virigin in the original languages. Young woman = virgin.

Read this to learn more.
 
I sometimes refer to myself as the Catholic Mormon as I went thru RCIA before becoming LDS. I think a lot of your questions can be answered at fairlds.org there are a list of topics you can go through.

I hope this site will be welcoming to me as I still feel a connection to the Catholic Church. 🙂
 
I sometimes refer to myself as the Catholic Mormon as I went thru RCIA before becoming LDS. I think a lot of your questions can be answered at fairlds.org there are a list of topics you can go through.

I hope this site will be welcoming to me as I still feel a connection to the Catholic Church. 🙂
Welcome, LDS sister. 🙂

It would be wise for you to read the forum rules so you know what is expected here at CAF Non-Catholic forum.

As there are several of us here who are former Mormons, there is no need for the link. 🙂
 
I sometimes refer to myself as the Catholic Mormon as I went thru RCIA before becoming LDS. I think a lot of your questions can be answered at fairlds.org there are a list of topics you can go through.

I hope this site will be welcoming to me as I still feel a connection to the Catholic Church. 🙂
No…the questions cannot be answered there. The apologetics are weak and cannot be substantiated.

But welcome!
 
I sometimes refer to myself as the Catholic Mormon as I went thru RCIA before becoming LDS. I think a lot of your questions can be answered at fairlds.org there are a list of topics you can go through.

I hope this site will be welcoming to me as I still feel a connection to the Catholic Church. 🙂
We’ve had a few people claiming to be both Catholic and Mormon, simultaneously, here.

FAIR is sophistry at its finest.
 
We’ve had a few people claiming to be both Catholic and Mormon, simultaneously, here.

FAIR is sophistry at its finest.
and, so far, every one of FAIR’s points has been soundly refuted…
 
We’ve had a few people claiming to be both Catholic and Mormon, simultaneously, here.
I know.

Not sure how that is done other than twisting either or both of the doctrine of both faiths. 🤷

Hardly compatable
 
I know.

Not sure how that is done other than twisting either or both of the doctrine of both faiths. 🤷

Hardly compatable
I suppose people are confused about Catholic teaching. That, and Mormonism provides an environment where anything goes. The only requirement is a testimony of Joseph Smith, and a willingness to not criticize current LDS leadership.
 
Honestly, I hope this thread gets closed right off the bat. It’s biased and aggressive towards a faith, and most of the logic you’re using to argue against that church can just as easily be used against Catholicism or whatever sect of Christianity you happen to be. Don’t be so naive.
I was LDS / Mormon. What is being shared is not biased, but the facts. They do not believe in the same Christ we do. He has billions of wives, Satan and Christ are brothers, … There is so much weird stuff that you would not believe it. You would tho, call it biased. It’s not, its just weird and not even Christian.
Don, Las Vegas
 
I suppose people are confused about Catholic teaching. That, and Mormonism provides an environment where anything goes. The only requirement is a testimony of Joseph Smith, and a willingness to not criticize current LDS leadership.
…and you have to accept a different Christ (not the one we know, you have to stop drinking tea and coffee. They now accept Coke and Pepsi but they used not to, You have to give 10% of your money to their Church, plus a very liberal offering, then there is the Missionary fund, and stake welfare fund, …so they eat you out of house and home.
Guys, I was a MOrmon, and they are not telling you so much.\

Don
 
We’ve had a few people claiming to be both Catholic and Mormon, simultaneously, here.

FAIR is sophistry at its finest.
Who are they?

I was a Mormon and returned to our Catholic faith due to the off the wall cult **** they teach and expect you to accept.

Don
 
Many are drawn to the LDS church for it’s focus on family values and clean living (WoW). My own coming from a family with severe alcoholism, the WoW was a BIG BIG draw.

Mormonism is a lifestyle, not just a Sunday thing (for many Catholics, being Catholic is a Sunday thing; for others, a Christmas/Easter thing, not to mention most Catholics are not really big in reading the scriptures) Young converts are often the result of being in love with someone who is LDS and the idea of being “sealed for all time and eternity” is very very appealing/romantic for someone very much in love, as oppose to the “til death do you part”…

Not giving a defense of Mormonism, but pointing out some of it’s appeal to why people convert… 🤷
The Devil will tell you a 1,000 truth’s to get you to believe 1 lie.

32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:32
 
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